CountBlack
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Damn just saw the Wellington ending..
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Ah, I mistook him for you lol. At any rate, that is why I am on "team Jane". I don't think a #team alone makes sense. How is an 11 year old who has just been shot in the arm, suppose to survive with a baby? Know how sore her arm would be, even if it went clean through? Telltale!!
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Damn straight. Couldn't be happier it was my first ending. The alone ending is alright too.
The Jane endings are awful though.
semiconscious
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while i agree that's the only place they can go they can go if they're gonna stick with clementine, i'm just not seeing how they can work aj in as a toddler. seems like it'd be a very difficult job, & very limiting...
iow, if it's gonna be clem & aj, it's gonna be at least 10-12 years down the road. which's possible, but i'd say clem solo maybe a year down the road, or a completely new storyline, would both be more likely...
btw, i got the jane/family ending, &, having viewed the others, was fine with it. i liked jane early on, & putting ken down felt like doing him a favor (something he seemed to agree with himself)...
They could jump to AJ being roughly the age Clem was when everything started which seems a little obvious.
If they have all the paths ultimately converge on Wellington it'd be interesting to see the dynamics of a bigger community. AJ could stay back at a nursery while Clem goes out on missions to resupply. Even a small time jump would make her old enough for it to be at least somewhat believable considering everything they had her do this season.
LurkerPrime
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Or they could have the Season 3 protagonist travelling to Wellington along a similar path as Clem's group, and then they can run into Clem either early in Episode 1 or late in Episode 1.
Wellington does seem to be a focus. Maybe it will be a survivor-city that actually works. The politics and shenanigans at play behind the scenes will be unparalleled, and I can only imagine Wellington will fall before Season 3 is done.
flaxknuckles
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It's getting kinda old knowing almost everyone will die by the end of these games. I would very much welcome a season 3 set in Wellington where there are less choices that have to deal with "omg Jenny's gonna get her dick eaten off by ZOMBIES, sorry can't save you Barry you gone die like a bitch"
TimeEffect
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D: They wouldn't have a vehicle to get their asses to Texas, Carver's, or Wellington.
HadesGigas
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Kenny, Clem, and Jane were definitely like the only people in the group who were of much use. Not sure if that's bad writing or something to illustrate how bad off they were and why Jane thought it was "broken".
Carlos would have been of use had he survived, but as it stands all he did was eventually help with your arm in episode 1 then nothing until his random death.
Nick, Rebecca, Sarah all never did anything remotely helpful for the group. Generally were reasons why bad things were happening.
Luke failed to ever be much help, other than seemingly being a calming influence on the rest of the group.
Mike pretty much just did what other people told him to, but didn't screw anything up. (Until his out of nowhere turn).
Bonnie's only real contribution was helping the group escape, after being the reason they got caught in the first place. Oh also that cool jacket...
Carlos would have been of use had he survived, but as it stands all he did was eventually help with your arm in episode 1 then nothing until his random death.
Nick, Rebecca, Sarah all never did anything remotely helpful for the group. Generally were reasons why bad things were happening.
Luke failed to ever be much help, other than seemingly being a calming influence on the rest of the group.
Mike pretty much just did what other people told him to, but didn't screw anything up. (Until his out of nowhere turn).
Bonnie's only real contribution was helping the group escape, after being the reason they got caught in the first place. Oh also that cool jacket...
Wow, that's really fucking bad.
Honestly it feels like half the time Telltale writes arguments in just to justify killing Kenny at the end.
TJP
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I don't know if this has been already posted, apologies if I'm reposting it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2fVDC0SP8
Interestingly the two TellTale producers on the video prefer the Clem and AJ alone ending...
Interestingly the two TellTale producers on the video prefer the Clem and AJ alone ending...
Yeah that's why I actually chose to do that. Just seemed he'd been acting recklessly for a while and that he must have just wanted it to all end. While he did do a TON for the group he was always threatening people, wanting to leave without people, going crazy, etc. He did seem like a liability, but that was not an easy decision to make. Even though I KNEW the baby was alive and Jane was just trying to "prove a point", I didn't feel that he was in the right killing her even if the baby was dead. A lot of the game you are pressured into siding with Kenny because you've known him and gone through so much together. And most of the time I went with that...I guess out of loyalty.
Though Jane is crazy and I told her so and went alone.
So I just watched the Kenny and Wellington endings. I almost wish I went with one of those because it gives Kenny some redemption. And the Kenny ending both gives him that redemption but allows you to stick with him. I'd like to believe he'd change eventually, but I guess if you ended up with another group he'd probably go back to his angry lashing out self.
The Jane endings I glanced at, but I never really knew how to feel about her. Always poking at people, looking out for herself, and then her point proving at the end left a really bad taste in my mouth in regards to her.
I guess in the end I'm happy with the alone ending.
Bjoern the Smexy
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You and me both. With the only difference being that I actually started to cry at the Lee/young Cleme scene.
With everything else I feel exactly the same way as you do.
Well, he thought AJ was dead at that point. Yes, I agree it's not healthy to be so reliant on a baby being alive for your mental health, but I don't think he'd have said that if he knew the kid was alive.
snoopeasystreet
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I can't tell if the wishy washy-ness of the cast of season 2 was intentional just to make that scene with Lee hit home all that more. I don't know if the series will ever have a character dynamic as strong as Lee and Clem.
I felt like every character other than Clementine in S2 was bipolar or had multiple personalities. I always felt like I would agree with somebody and then minutes later they would behave completely different. Or I would agree with that they were saying but they were going about it in a horrible or aggressive way. Made it hard to ever agree with one person consistently and it's probably why I ended up alone.
But he didn't get robbed and claimed he did. That's what confused me the most. I don't recall Jane taking anything, I recall Clem giving it all back.
EDIT: Sorry for the double post.
King Kenny!!!
Mister_Bubbles
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I think Jane took his gun? I could be wrong there, but at the time that was the only thing I could think of that he would be referring to.
Personally I just think they switched personalities with every episode. Generally speaking I thought episode 2 and 4 felt consistent in tone and just writing overall but 1 3 and 5 were very inconsistent with the writing, so I'd bet Telltale put a shoddy lead writer on the main episodes.
in 3 and 5 Kenny says a lot of cliche lines and there are a lot of moments where it feels like the game is just trying to impress you with edgyness and shockers whereas in the two bridging episodes I thought it was more carefully laid out.
Nick Breckon did 1,2 and 5.
I think 3 and 4 were done by two different people but maybe it was the same person.
Andrefpvs
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Just finished it.
I am SO glad I let Kenny live after I found out that Jane hid the baby. At first I kept telling him "Jane didn't have to die", but after Kenny explained himself, I realised how Jane was an idiot for instigating a fight to the death, and forgave him.
After arriving at Wellington, and seeing Kenny plead for them to at least let the kids in, he just won me over completely. Kenny was crying, Clementine was crying, and at that point I knew the right choice was to stick with him.
So now it's Clementine, Kenny and AJ. I haven't seen any of the other endings, but I'll be very impressed if any of them can top this one.
I am SO glad I let Kenny live after I found out that Jane hid the baby. At first I kept telling him "Jane didn't have to die", but after Kenny explained himself, I realised how Jane was an idiot for instigating a fight to the death, and forgave him.
After arriving at Wellington, and seeing Kenny plead for them to at least let the kids in, he just won me over completely. Kenny was crying, Clementine was crying, and at that point I knew the right choice was to stick with him.
So now it's Clementine, Kenny and AJ. I haven't seen any of the other endings, but I'll be very impressed if any of them can top this one.
Yup, Jane takes the gun either way.
However, Arvo and his group rob you when she isn't even there...so he's still firmly a shithead.
So I just finished it and went 100% with Kenny all the way and I don't regret my decision one bit.
When your standing outside of Wellington and he gives his speech about why you need to stay with AJ and leave him. I knew my decision in supporting him were validated.
I think one of the games main faults was setting up Jane as the primary antagonist, a character who doesn't even really come into play until the third episode. Two and a half episodes for character development just aren't enough.
Kenny on the other hand was someone I saw grow to what he was today from the first SEASON. I knew very well where he was coming from and why he was as he was.
For me, that made it easy to justify what he was doing, even if he was an asshole. I knew he couldn't take losing his family a second time. I knew he was being hard on everyone because it's the only way he knew how to protect them.
In the end, he managed to succeed. And for that I'm all the more grateful for what he had to sacrifice and make the tough calls on.
<3 Kenny all the way.
When your standing outside of Wellington and he gives his speech about why you need to stay with AJ and leave him. I knew my decision in supporting him were validated.
I think one of the games main faults was setting up Jane as the primary antagonist, a character who doesn't even really come into play until the third episode. Two and a half episodes for character development just aren't enough.
Kenny on the other hand was someone I saw grow to what he was today from the first SEASON. I knew very well where he was coming from and why he was as he was.
For me, that made it easy to justify what he was doing, even if he was an asshole. I knew he couldn't take losing his family a second time. I knew he was being hard on everyone because it's the only way he knew how to protect them.
In the end, he managed to succeed. And for that I'm all the more grateful for what he had to sacrifice and make the tough calls on.
<3 Kenny all the way.
peanutbutterlatte
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I shot Kenny and left Jane. The game does an excellent thing in making you feel truly manipulated. I mean fuck her. I actually cried at Kenny's death. He was dangerous, but I loved him anyway. Honestly, I just felt depressing and fatalistic at the end. Who cares what happens if people are going to be so awful.
My head canon is that the baby cries when you walk through that crowd of walkers, and they die.
My head canon is that the baby cries when you walk through that crowd of walkers, and they die.
I think Clem and AJ are going to be the key relationship for the remainder of this series. I expect a time jump of a few years at some point.
Hmmm
Just finished Season 2 and I can't believe Jane orchestrated the whole thing, got me to kill Kenny to prove a fucking point. Without Kenny nobody would have left Carver's camp. He's a loose canon, but he's a big asset, too. So I left her behind.
God, the ending is not nearly as strong as Season 1's, but it sure got me thinking.
So what are the different endings? I'm guessing there's more than one. I got the one where you are alone in a field with AJ.
God, the ending is not nearly as strong as Season 1's, but it sure got me thinking.
So what are the different endings? I'm guessing there's more than one. I got the one where you are alone in a field with AJ.
You should take a look at the alternative endings, either via rewinding your own game or on YouTube (e.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vgvFILmhMU ).
1. Kenny - Wellington
..1a. Stay in Wellington
..1b. Stay with Kenny
2. Jane - Howe's
..2a. Allow family to join
..2b. Reject family
3. Alone
Also, fuck Arvo and Bonnie and Mike. I hope the next season has you hunting down all three as Nate from 400 Days.
I believe you can kill bonnie when luke dies, which makes Mikes betrayal all the stranger.
Yeah fuck Mike. Expected it from Bonnie and Arvo, but come on...he seemed like a pretty cool guy.
Bad writing tbh. A lot of decisions characters make just doesn't make sense considering how they were acting before.
Bad writing causes Jane to try to attempt something like tricking Clem. I mean seriously? Every time she was trying to convince Clem of the dangers of the group they were in (specifically Kenny), she allowed herself to be interrupted. She was even going to patch things up with Kenny from what it sounded like before he spotted cars to get gas from.
Then in the heat of a situation, the rational, Jane character decides to hide the baby in an attempt to get Clem to open her eyes. Just weird decisions for such a character... even though her intentions were right.
A lot of characters were there to just fill in slots... there was no good writing in this season imho at all.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
Huh, what's the reason for patching Mike's shooting out of the game?
Probably because it'd be too out of character for Clem to shoot him, no matter what.
I'm pretty sure she knew how all this was going to end considering she has been pushing Kenny basically since the beginning.
I don't believe for a moment that she wasn't manipulative at all, especially in retrospective since once that you go back and see most of the scenes between Clementine and her, you realize how much Jane has been trying to put Clem on her side and especially put her against Kenny.
I don't know what the hell was she thinking but it sure as hell was not for Clem's sake, it was only for hers. Maybe she wants to make Clem replace her younger sister (or whatever else this crazy freak wants with this child) but it still was quite a selfish and insane trick that forced a little girl to kill one of her loved ones!
She can burn in hell.
EDIT: Oh, and Jane is definitely not Lee! Lee put the well-being of Clem above everything else, even his own life.
Jane's whole reason was that "she didn't want to be alone".
N30RYU
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Clem and AJ in Wellington ending for me... (with Kenny leaving)
I just couldn't stay with Kenny with him begging me to raise AJ safe in Wellington...
T_T
I despised Jane the moment she entered the rest area willing me to kill Kenny, fuck her I gladly would shoot she myselft instead of turn my head around.
I just couldn't stay with Kenny with him begging me to raise AJ safe in Wellington...
T_T
I despised Jane the moment she entered the rest area willing me to kill Kenny, fuck her I gladly would shoot she myselft instead of turn my head around.
I never really got that from Jane though. In fact after the escape she wasn't any worse than Mike or Bonnie when it came to everyone always asking me to make sure Kenny was cool. Jane did some grimey shit in the last episode, but she did come back for the group (really clem) twice and she helped everyone even while having her loner issues.
I agree the writting really messed with peoples characterizations, and in reading some peoples versions of the playthroughs wasn't as cohesive with adapting to peoples playstyles as season one. In my playthrough it felt like bonnie spent so much time trying to be my friend but was ready to throw me into precarious situations at the drop of a hat. When the Luke stuff went down I wasn't gonna risk my life, and to see her heel turn and treat me like shit was a huge wtf moment for me.
LurkerPrime
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Spoiler threads are such a great invention. Whoever thought them up is a genius.
A vast majority of players had Bonny lie when confronted with a serious situation in 400 Days, so I can only blame us for her shifty behaviour.
Good Lord, what an interpretation. I guess I'll never understand this vehement anger and hatred towards Jane. She lied, but was ultimately trying to (from her point of view in the game) save Clementine from an almost-certain death. Jane was not trying to kill Kenny, she was only trying to survive and no one anticipated that Clementine would fatally decide the "North vs. South" debate.
Jane was selfish, yes... guilty of seeing a little bit of a loved one in Clementine. This is part of what spurred her to aid Clementine at every turn, and part of why she kept returning. However, ultimately Jane saw Clementine for who she really was... a survivor. Jane was not possessive or evil, she merely wanted a bit of the pre-apocalypse at her side, a reminder that things aren't so bad, that life is worth living... and that some things are worth the risk. Just like Clementine's radio or hat is to Clem, Clementine herself is for Jane - something worth having around for no realistic reason.
For Kenny, his selfish motivations are twofold in that both Clementine and AJ remind him of his not-so-recently deceased son... not so different from Jane, all things considered. This by itself is no problem - unfortunately when AJ is born things escalate. At this point, Kenny becomes overtly selfish and possessive of the baby, which leads to the eventual downfall of the group he's in.
In a way, I think Kenny can only function as a survivor if he's not around children. I mean, just look at the three main groups he's been a part of - the Motor Inn group, his own group at the ski resort, and Clementine's ragtag band at the end. Of the three, Kenny has only appeared stable and successful in the second, childless group. It's a pitiable situation which means that Kenny can never be a part of a long-term survival effort.
A vast majority of players had Bonny lie when confronted with a serious situation in 400 Days, so I can only blame us for her shifty behaviour.
Good Lord, what an interpretation. I guess I'll never understand this vehement anger and hatred towards Jane. She lied, but was ultimately trying to (from her point of view in the game) save Clementine from an almost-certain death. Jane was not trying to kill Kenny, she was only trying to survive and no one anticipated that Clementine would fatally decide the "North vs. South" debate.
Jane was selfish, yes... guilty of seeing a little bit of a loved one in Clementine. This is part of what spurred her to aid Clementine at every turn, and part of why she kept returning. However, ultimately Jane saw Clementine for who she really was... a survivor. Jane was not possessive or evil, she merely wanted a bit of the pre-apocalypse at her side, a reminder that things aren't so bad, that life is worth living... and that some things are worth the risk. Just like Clementine's radio or hat is to Clem, Clementine herself is for Jane - something worth having around for no realistic reason.
For Kenny, his selfish motivations are twofold in that both Clementine and AJ remind him of his not-so-recently deceased son... not so different from Jane, all things considered. This by itself is no problem - unfortunately when AJ is born things escalate. At this point, Kenny becomes overtly selfish and possessive of the baby, which leads to the eventual downfall of the group he's in.
In a way, I think Kenny can only function as a survivor if he's not around children. I mean, just look at the three main groups he's been a part of - the Motor Inn group, his own group at the ski resort, and Clementine's ragtag band at the end. Of the three, Kenny has only appeared stable and successful in the second, childless group. It's a pitiable situation which means that Kenny can never be a part of a long-term survival effort.
To be honest the only reason he is stable in that 2nd group (Walter's), is due to him having Sarita. Seems to me Kenny needs a reason to stay stable and once he loses that, he loses everything. He isn't great even when having these things to care for since he gets extremely reckless and do anything to protect those he care about and damn the rest of the group.
I also don't see how people interpret Jane's actions to be some evil intentions even when she shows complete remorse for harming anyone in episode 4 and 5. She clearly did not want to kill Kenny, she just needed him to think the baby was dead because she knew he would not let AJ go. It takes Kenny, killing Jane to realize just how gone he was. I do not think before that, he would have let AJ go to be honest.
LurkerPrime
Member
Oh, shoot. My mind completely went over Sarita. You make some very good points, and I agree.
I think the root of Kenny's problems are (of course) the profound losses he suffered in Season 1. Lee managed to pul Kenny together, but was never able to really help the poor guy. It's like a wound that cannot heal, not unlike a walker's bite, and it's only a matter of time before Kenny's end is nigh.
Shake Appeal
Member
Jane's cold as hell, but she's also the sane one. And, as various moments show, she can be tempted toward compassion because of her trust in Clementine. I don't like her worldview, but I trust her to do the smart thing -- and usually the right thing -- far more than Kenny, who by his own dying admission has lost himself.
I knew what she had done with the baby immediately and knew I'd have to put Kenny down if it came to it.
I knew what she had done with the baby immediately and knew I'd have to put Kenny down if it came to it.
N30RYU
Member
I also knew it, and that's why I knew she would have what she deserved. I would have shoot her if had the chance... pushing someone to it's limits to prove she's right in a survival situation... fuck her.
She lose it all completely the moment she ask to leave Kenny when he goes out looking for gas, then she hidding the baby making Kenny think that she "killed" he is what leads to the end she deserved.
Although it was obvious to viewers what was going on, Jane really should have admitted that it was just a test to Kenny during the fight (as Kenny notes if you don't shoot him). The whole thing was just poorly thought out by Jane (and Telltale).
I did choose to go with Jane in my playthough, but the Kenny-side ending is definitely better. If WD Season 3 builds off of Season 2, I'll go back and correct that decision.
SoraanTribal
Member
Finally got around to beating this... damn at those choices. I feel like the decisions I made at the end were the most realistic that my Clem would have done, though. I had her shoot Kenny and then when realizing the truth about the baby (honestly, I didn't even consider it was some trick even though I should have), Clem left Jane and called her fucking crazy. I feel like that's what Clem would have done (at least mine). Jane is a fucking psycho with pulling that shit.
Of course, I'm going to beat the game and see all the other endings, but I'm not sure which one will be my "canon" ending. Also, the endings are so vastly different, how in the world are they going to do season 3 with Clem in so many different places and with different people (or no one at all)? Unless they are going with another protag which I feel would be weird considering where you're left with the endings.
Of course, I'm going to beat the game and see all the other endings, but I'm not sure which one will be my "canon" ending. Also, the endings are so vastly different, how in the world are they going to do season 3 with Clem in so many different places and with different people (or no one at all)? Unless they are going with another protag which I feel would be weird considering where you're left with the endings.
At this point my assumption is they will do a timeskip with Clem being alone again and maybe some flashbacks showing the endings merging back into one.
I thought at one point that we might be switching protagonists and that we will see Clementine as a secondary character (allowing us to skip showing her endings merging back) but now I seriously doubt Telltale will do this. Season 2 already had a somewhat mixed response and I don't think Telltale is going to give up having Clementine as the main character, they know that a lot of people are still clinging to TWD because of the connection to Season 1 (Clementine).
SoraanTribal
Member
I could see a time skip being possible as a way to let all the endings merge into one. The only thing that annoys me with this series is if you're ever given the option of saving someone's life, they WILL end up dead within the next episode. I assume it's because they can't have the main story arc involve that character anymore since they could be dead in someone's game, so they kill them off for some action/drama. But knowing this, no matter if you let Kenny or Jane live in the finale, they will be dead by Episode 1 of season 3. Or at the very least, they will leave Clem at some point. So yeah, I might save Kenny now, but not for long.
I do agree with your second comment as well about giving up Clem as the main character. I just don't see them doing that, and I honestly hope they don't bring in someone new. I can see benefits in doing so, but... Hmm. Well, I liked Season 2, but I have to admit, most of that was JUST due to liking Clem a lot (and having Kenny back as a familiar face from Season 1) and seeing her grow as a character. If Season 2 had been all new and I controlled someone like Luke, I don't think I would have liked it nearly as much. So yeah, I definitely hope Clem remains the protagonist for season 3, but maybe end her arc after that one. Of course, there's only one way to truly end someone's arc in TWD universe..
TimeEffect
Member
Maybe episode 1 will be wildly different, but move towards a narrower ending in episode 2 and 3. Or maybe they will go out with a varied bang and write multiple versions of the game for a truly replayable season 3 finale
Yes, this is something most people have come to accept about Telltale's games - the story is essentially the same, and the choices simply change the flavour. With that being said, I think Telltale with Season 2 is also just getting really lazy and trying to "have their cake and eat it too" - by which I mean they want to make it keep looking like there are choices without doing the work for it.
In Season 1 , if you saved Doug vs. Carley, he stuck around as a reasonably important character until dying 2 episodes later. If you save Ben, he actually has some good character development before biting the dust later. If you side with Kenny in arguments, he'll have your back later on. And your relationships with various characters seemed fairly malleable based on your choices.
In Season 2 we still get choices but Telltale isn't even trying anymore to keep up the illusion of choice. If you save Sarah, she dies in the very same episode a few minutes later. If you cut Sarita's arm, either way she dies right away and Kenny is mad at you (for a little while anyways). If you cause Bonnie to die in the lake, well you're missing out on basically one extra conversation before she leaves with Mike anyways. If you steal Arvo's supplies versus. be compassionate - guess what, no difference, he will still hate you and instigate a gunfight.
In S1 I remember having a lot of interesting discussions with friends about the choices they made. In Season 2, I don't really have that curiosity at all. They're going in exactly the opposite direction of what I'd wanted after S1 (where I loved the story and their presentation of "choices", and hoped that in the future, with the success of S1, they'd be able to go even bigger with real branching choices). I'll keep trying their games but at this point I'm really just in it for Clem.