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The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC

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Evolved1 said:
I bet deep down, Rick is glad Shane cleaned house.
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I don't think he's happy about it at all. Herschel will certainly boot them all off his property now, which has been very safe for them the past while. So now he has to take his kid and his pregnant wife along with the rest of their merry band and head down to that fort, and they won't even know if it's infested until they get there.
 
MisterHero said:
The shirt was the worst part ;_;
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It was a Diablo III shirt.

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I wasn't convinced that Shane couldn't shoot her considering everything. They just had Rick do it for obvious reasons.

Injecting some sensibilities in my opinion. Wake up farm people, remember last time walkers walked up on you sleeping? Yeah. Herschel just doesn't know.
 
Home said:
I don't think he's happy about it at all. Herschel will certainly boot them all off his property now, which has been very safe for them the past while. So now he has to take his kid and his pregnant wife along with the rest of their merry band and head down to that fort, and they won't even know if it's infested until they get there.
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Herschel is a foolish, old, smelly, crotchety, ornery fatso who though that he could cure ZOMBIES, for fucks sake.

All it's going to take is Shane fucking all his daughters to convince him to let them all stay.
 
Sapiens said:
Herschel is a foolish, old, smelly, crotchety, ornery fatso who though that he could cure ZOMBIES, for fucks sake.

All it's going to take is Shane fucking all his daughters to convince him to let them all stay.
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"He may be a psycho, but at least he is not Asian"
 
Sapiens said:
Herschel is a foolish, old, smelly, crotchety, ornery fatso who though that he could cure ZOMBIES, for fucks sake.

All it's going to take is Shane fucking all his daughters to convince him to let them all stay.
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I didn't get hershel's reasoning. For a man of medicine, he should probably assume that even if you cure zombieism, the non-functional or disabled organs, open wounds, and rotting flesh would probably lead to death.
 
Sapiens said:
Herschel is a foolish, old, smelly, crotchety, ornery fatso who though that he could cure ZOMBIES, for fucks sake.

All it's going to take is Shane fucking all his daughters to convince him to let them all stay.
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Herschel is a family man and a Christian man. Love of family is paramount to him, he can't give up on his wife or stepson. God will make things right, whatever the fuck is happening now; it'll be corrected. He just has to maintain the faith. All of them, his whole family, all of society. We are all being tested. Herschel is maintaining sanity in his own mind. He's much like Morgan from season 1. When he's aiming at his wife outside with the rifle, he doesn't see a walker. He sees the love of his life. He can't give up on her. He can't say goodbye. He can't lose hope.
 
Rubashov said:
Edit: Well damn, too slow. And I didn't catch the bit about Otis. Maybe Hershel never knew about her. Disregard post.


I'm still trying to figure out Hershel and how he handled the Sophia situation. Surely he realized that the little girl they were risking their lives searching for was the same girl he trapped, lassoed, and tossed into the barn the day before Rick and co. showed up. Was the secret of the barn so terrible that he'd let them die (like Darryl almost did) to keep it?

Coming from the perspective that walkers are still people and just need to be kept around until they get better, then Carol might even be grateful that they've found Sophia and have her in a safe place. Instead Hershel assumes that they'll all want to murder everyone in the barn on the first day, so he figures it's better for him to stay quiet and risk a search party getting killed. I don't know if I buy it.

I want to go back and see when Hershel finds out about the search for Sophia, and how much he's been able to judge of the crew's character. Were there any hints that he knew they were wasting their time?
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With so much attention being paid to Rick's boy, everyone on both sides may have forgotten about the girl. Herschel's people probably forgot about trapping sophie, and Rick's people initally forgot to mention that they were looking for sophie. I can't remember if any of herschel's people were involved in the search for sophie. Did they know what she looked like? They may have assumed that the girl they caught was a zombie far longer than how long sophie was missing
 
franknbeans said:
With so much attention being paid to Rick's boy, everyone on both sides may have forgotten about the girl. Herschel's people probably forgot about trapping sophie, and Rick's people initally forgot to mention that they were looking for sophie. I can't remember if any of herschel's people were involved in the search for sophie. Did they know what she looked like? They may have assumed that the girl they caught was a zombie far longer than how long sophie was missing
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I think the only one of Hersh's crew to look for her was that nameless young male who rebelled by going against his wishes.
 
Seems that from the preview Herschel goes back to the bottle (a bit cliched) and skips out on the farm and heads off somewhere and they have to go find him. Hopefully he'll leave in the first episode back and they have to go looking for him for the rest of the season.

A good way to bring in Michonne would be for her to maybe save Herschel and subsequently meet up with the group. Then with them being out on the road during this time they arrive at the prison in beginning of the season finale and they spend the entire episode securing the prison. Final segment of the episode would be one of the prison guys mentioning they have a survivor they've had to lock up due to them being too unruly and violent. Final shot will be them opening the cell and the man who looks up and we see it's Merle.

MisterNugNug said:
Herschel is a family man and a Christian man. Love of family is paramount to him, he can't give up on his wife or stepson. God will make things right, whatever the fuck is happening now; it'll be corrected. He just has to maintain the faith. All of them, his whole family, all of society. We are all being tested. Herschel is maintaining sanity in his own mind. He's much like Morgan from season 1. When he's aiming at his wife outside with the rifle, he doesn't see a walker. He sees the love of his life. He can't give up on her. He can't say goodbye. He can't lose hope.
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He probably viewed himself as an incarnation of the Job story. A pious man who was being tested to the fullest by God to prove his faith. Like you said if he keeps his faith God will restore everything as it was before because he proved his faith.
 
Home said:
I don't think he's happy about it at all. Herschel will certainly boot them all off his property now, which has been very safe for them the past while. So now he has to take his kid and his pregnant wife along with the rest of their merry band and head down to that fort, and they won't even know if it's infested until they get there.
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So tell me, what if he tels them to leave and they just say 'no'? What's he gonna do, call the cops? Shoot them? They have guns too. I think his wishes, and properly laws, are far less important than their safety. Whats stopping them from saying,' fuck you, we're staying?'. Its certainly an option.
 
Home said:
I don't think he's happy about it at all. Herschel will certainly boot them all off his property now, which has been very safe for them the past while. So now he has to take his kid and his pregnant wife along with the rest of their merry band and head down to that fort, and they won't even know if it's infested until they get there.
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I dont understand how he plans on getting rid of alot of people with alot of weapons who are desperate to survive. One old guy standing in my way would not stop me from staying there.
 
CF_Fighter said:
Seems that from the preview Herschel goes back to the bottle (a bit cliched) and skips out on the farm and heads off somewhere and they have to go find him. Hopefully he'll leave in the first episode back and they have to go looking for him for the rest of the season.

A good way to bring in Michonne would be for her to maybe save Herschel and subsequently meet up with the group. Then with them being out on the road during this time they arrive at the prison in beginning of the season finale and they spend the entire episode securing the prison. Final segment of the episode would be one of the prison guys mentioning they have a survivor they've had to lock up due to them being too unruly and violent. Final shot will be them opening the cell and the man who looks up and we see it's Merle.



He probably viewed himself as an incarnation of the Job story. A pious man who was being tested to the fullest by God to prove his faith. Like you said if he keeps his faith God will restore everything as it was before because he proved his faith.
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Regarding the character you're talking about (Comic spoilers) :

I hope they show her walking around with her 2 armless and jawless petzombies
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
So tell me, what if he tels them to leave and they just say 'no'? What's he gonna do, call the cops? Shoot them? They have guns too. I think his wishes, and properly laws, are far less important than their safety. Whats stopping them from saying,' fuck you, we're staying?'. Its certainly an option.
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This is why Shane told Lori that Rick is not ready for this world. Rick is too nice, acting like the world around him hasn't ended.
 
CF_Fighter said:
A good way to bring in Michonne would be for her to maybe save Herschel and subsequently meet up with the group. Then with them being out on the road during this time they arrive at the prison in beginning of the season finale and they spend the entire episode securing the prison. Final segment of the episode would be one of the prison guys mentioning they have a survivor they've had to lock up due to them being too unruly and violent. Final shot will be them opening the cell and the man who looks up and we see it's Merle.
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Ever thought about being a writer? This is better than anything we've seen so far.
 
The scene in the swamp, made it seemed like Herschel didn't believe that they could be cured. That the whole act of putting them in a barn, was more about themselves not "taking the easy way out, not changing who they were because the world ended"

Similar to Dale's comments to Shane.

But I also assume the farmers hadn't run into a situation of a swarm of them coming at you in close quarters.
 
Lonestar said:
The scene in the swamp, made it seemed like Herschel didn't believe that they could be cured. That the whole act of putting them in a barn, was more about themselves not "taking the easy way out, not changing who they were because the world ended"

Similar to Dale's comments to Shane.

But I also assume the farmers hadn't run into a situation of a swarm of them coming at you in close quarters.
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Yea, Maggie seems convinced that she's not on his side anymore from her comments to him.
 
Regarding CF Fighter's idea:

How would Merle have gotten into the prison if they still haven't cleared the yard? And why would he go there?

Regarding that whole location, comic spoilers:

These are some of the important plot points from the comic:
Tyrese's daughter and her bf committing suicide and coming back as zombies
Carol's suicide by zombie
The little girls getting murdered
Executing the murderer
Dexter attempting to force them out of the prison and Rick killing Dexter

Since there's no Tyrese, they'll have to have someone else die without getting bitten and then come back as a zombie. Not a huge deal, IMO. Since Hershel's youngest daughters aren't in the tv show, someone else will have to be killed by the psychotic prisoner. Carol would be a good choice, except that her suicide is really one of the best moments in the comic. Maybe they'll introduce a new character for this purpose if they plan to keep that storyline.

The Rick vs Dexter thing absolutely has to happen, IMO. That is the moment in the comic when you realize that Rick has completely changed. It's the turning point of the series.
 
Puddles said:
Regarding CF Fighter's idea:

How would Merle have gotten into the prison if they still haven't cleared the yard? And why would he go there?

Regarding that whole location, comic spoilers:

These are some of the important plot points from the comic:
Tyrese's daughter and her bf committing suicide and coming back as zombies
Carol's suicide by zombie
The little girls getting murdered
Executing the murderer
Dexter attempting to force them out of the prison and Rick killing Dexter

Since there's no Tyrese, they'll have to have someone else die without getting bitten and then come back as a zombie. Not a huge deal, IMO. Since Hershel's youngest daughters aren't in the tv show, someone else will have to be killed by the psychotic prisoner. Carol would be a good choice, except that her suicide is really one of the best moments in the comic. Maybe they'll introduce a new character for this purpose if they plan to keep that storyline.

The Rick vs Dexter thing absolutely has to happen, IMO. That is the moment in the comic when you realize that Rick has completely changed. It's the turning point of the series.
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I really hope last night that him killing Sophia is where it started, b/c Shane is somewhat right, Rick is too nice to lead in the new world right now.
 
Puddles said:
Regarding CF Fighter's idea:

How would Merle have gotten into the prison if they still haven't cleared the yard? And why would he go there?
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Been a while since I read the prison arc. Forgot about them clearing the yard and THEN finding the surviving prisoners in the mess hall. I would like Merle to come back, simply because I love David Morse, but I do like how they've used him so sparingly that when he does appear it sort of an important segment.
 
What's the reason for the massive break between episodes? Fuck me, they do that after airing the best episode of the show thus far. *sigh*
 
was Hershel's reaction one of "Omg all my loved ones are dead. those bastards" or "Oh, so they really are dead and I've been deceiving myself all along"
 
Amazing episode. Best of the series thus far, imo. The tension was great, especially knowing what happens in the comics and how they handled it in the show.

Halfway through though, I had suspicions they were going to surprise with Sophia being in the barn which made me thinking throughout the episode how much of a plothole that is. Why would Hershel and family not know they threw a little girl in and immediately after a group of people would show up that happen to be looking for a little girl? Then they wouldn't address this, especially knowing this could possibly make the group leave even faster...I know they said Otis is the one who was gathering Walkers, but still..?
 
The break really sucks, but at least the left on a really strong final ~15 minutes. Regardless of what you thought about what was happening, how it was filmed was really well done IMO.

Rick. Shootin' little girl zombies in the face like a straight G.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
The break really sucks, but at least the left on a really strong final ~15 minutes. Regardless of what you thought about what was happening, how it was filmed was really well done IMO.
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I dunno if I agree with all the cinematography. The shot where you see all the gun toters in profile firing away looked straight out of Power Rangers.
 
WTF was Dale trying to do with the guns? hide them?

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I thought they were going to pull a Breaking Bad when the camera paned to the gun barrel and Rick was going to fire.
 
I hated the fake gunshots. Not just the CG blood, but the fact that some characters were not even shooting blanks. Instead they made pew-pew recoil moves so flashes could be added later in post-production.

This is a problem with a lot of TV shows (Terra Nova is the worst ofender): they try to bite off more than they can chew. I can understand that some scenes may be hard to film since blanks can be dangerous for the crew at short range, but come on, that was just plain lazy.
 
Funky Papa said:
I hated the fake gunshots. Not just the CG blood, but the fact that some characters were not even shooting blanks. Instead they made pew-pew recoil moves so flashes could be added later in post-production.

This is a problem with a lot of TV shows (Terra Nova is the worst ofender): they try to bite off more than they can chew. I can understand that some scenes may be hard to film since blanks can be dangerous for the crew at short range, but come on, that was just plain lazy.
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Yeah I hated it too and voiced my concerns earlier. So bad.
 
Fry8 said:
I remember when Lost stopped for 3 months during season three. The last episode was one of the worst of the entire show :lol



Don't watch Mad Men... wish it was leading the way to Breaking Bad :P
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Thank God Mad Men is the best show on the network, then.

I think the worst offender about this show is absolutely inconsistent character development.

Rick -- Is a badass cop/leader guy who gets things done but also cries all the time because he often can't do anything right.
Shane -- An outsider badass who originally had a heart of gold but is now a potential rapist psychopath.
Lori -- Great mother, great wife, horrible mother, horrible wife.
Dale -- Caring guy who seems to be in love with Andrea more than seeing her as a daughter, also an idiot.
 
There needs to be a character on this show that kicks ass without using a damn gun. Something quiet and fast like a sword or their bare hands in combat. A real bad ass that shouldn't be able to do what they do but does anyway and saves the day.
 
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