Don't understand that Djikstra plot twist and the more I think about the more it seems out of character for him to just turn into a goon to be slaughtered. At least there should have been the option to talk him out of killing the others. Say he gives them an ultimatum where if he ever hears of them being in 'his' north again they're dead. Or, if he had to turn on them, don't involve him in the fight with 3 professional killers (and Thaler), have him escape and make all his goons in Novigrad hostile.
Something. Stupid way to go out for such a cunning person. He won, all he had to do was not die.
Why wouldn't they do a canon world state? It's not far from how they've always handled it. Your decisions in Witcher 1 meant shit in Witcher 2. Other than a few "who lives, who dies" choices from Witcher 2, most of that doesn't matter in the Witcher 3.
But none of the decisions in Witcher 2 really mattered, that's just the thing. No matter what you did you still reached the same Act 3, and the Nilgaardian invasion occurred no matter what. The game wanted to tell a story and set up the next chapter in the game, that's it.
Witcher 3 ended with wildly different endings. (GUYS WHO SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS THREAD GET OUT NOW)
Dead Ciri, Empress Ciri, Witcheress Ciri.
Suicidal Geralt, happy Geralt.
These are main characters that are affected very differently depending on how your game ended. Choosing a canon here isn't quite the same as "your shit didn't matter in Witcher 2".
Witcher 1 I don't really see as much of an argument because once again the little differences were shit like who did you romance, and clearly they realize they realized that Shani didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Don't get me wrong. They COULD decide on a way to make either of the positive endings head towards a "Ciri became a witcher" either in this game or later on. But all I'm arguing here is that unlike W1 and W2, shit you did actually mattered in how the game ended.
Yes, the bad ending is terrible. All the endings feel rushed and the execution is not great, surprising given the tact of the writing throughout the entire game. Frankly imo they just should have had the Witcher ending, period, that's the end of the game. I feel like your choices and actions have huge ramifications because they do change the events of the game in meaningful ways - think the Baron and Anna, the fate of Whoreson Junior, Radovid and Djikstra, Cerys and Skellige, I could go on - but after devoting at least 50 hours of your time and attention to this game, you expect to be rewarded for that time. Not have the game spit in your face. Hell, you feel the same way when you give up even two hours of your time to watch a movie. You think, consciously or not, "this better be worth it."
Hey GAF, just beat the game on BNB and wanted to share some thoughts. Haven't read the books (though now thinking about it) and beat and enjoyed Witcher 2, my memory of alot the events are hazy at best though.
Spoilers left, right and center of course
Might be my game of forever. Need to digest it more, but it was an amazing experience. I thought it may have peaked at Kaer Morhen though. Everything that happened there, especially the drunken party (Lambert - We need bitches! holy shit) and battle was top notch.
Regarding the last big battle, compared to what went down at Kaer Morhen, it just felt a little flat. I mean the fights against teleporting general guy and Eredin by themselves were fine but everything else felt pretty rushed. I mean outside of Crachs last stand, there weren't too many 'holy shit - this is getting real' moments. And even Crach, came no where close to Ves going out like a boss at the end of Kaer Morhen. Dude sat in the pub and did shit the whole time i was running around White Orchard, so I was a little worried he was a bit old and might have lost it. Redeemed.
Other things in the Kaer Morhen battle that stood out, was Eskells showdown with their general, hunting fools with Lambert and Letho in the woods, Ermion getting busy in the front line (thought he was there for ranged support) Triss dropping nukes, and well, the whole thing really. I liked how everybody I got there did something and had a chance to shine. Except for Hjolmar (sp?). I swear i didn't see him do a thing the whole time. I wondered weather he had even showed up until I saw him standing around Ves' grave, and I said thanks.
Compare that to the last encounter. I was totally fine with rounding up members of the Circle to help (mmmmm. Dem sorceresses....)and the other preperations. Battle starts, alright Sorceresses go to the top of the hill and, well, do something. Did I miss something? Were there any variables as to how many you had there? I think I had them all (except Kiera. Soz homegirl :-( Just couldn't agree on important issues). They started casting spells and that was the last we saw of them. What about Philippa and her schemes? And the sorceress I got of the Emperors boat. Fringilla? She seemed, uhhhh, nice. I wanted more 'interactions' with her.
Also the whole encounter, on the actual gameplay side of things, I think entailed 2 boss fights, 2 minutes of 1 shotting scrubs with Ciri, and a quick 20 second dash through a battlefield to get to Eredin. Compare that to what went down at Kaer Morhen and everything that happened there, it left me a little deflated at the end of an otherwise amazing game
Which makes me wonder why they didn't either switch the 2 encounters (Final battle goes down after at Kaer Morhen, after Ciri unleashes her power to save everyone on the boat encounter) or just end the game at Kaer Morhen. I mean they could have tied up some of the other loose ends that were still hanging around at that point, spiced up the Kaer Morhen encounter even even more with more allies and help and wallah! Can add a mystical tower somewhere in, or nearby, Kaer Morhen so you can do the save the world (maybe) ending too....
Regarding the actual ending I got Ciri becomes a Witcher, which I think is best. Geralt and her both seemed quite happy in the pub at the end. Looking at the criteria to get the different endings I must have just scraped through. I never took her to the Emperor and I'm pretty certain I went with her for her chat to the lodge. I actually can't remember weather or not I let her blow the lab, but I must have. Definitely had a snowball fight and went to the grave though.
Romance wise, I, like I'm sure alot of other people got burned cos I thought I was a Playa. I ain't even mad. I kinda had settled on Triss (the trip to Menges sealed that. Got through it sticking to the 'plan' and it was one of the highlights of the game) and thought I would get some sort of arbitrary 'press x for Triss, press b for Yen' option later on, but damn you CDPR for not being like Bioware and forcing me to choose
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Like I said I ain't even mad and kinda suspected it wasn't going to end well (stayed a LOOOONG way away from spoilers regarding it too). What with Yen being able read your mind and shit. CDPR basically teaching you life lessons about having your cake and eating it too I suppose. Plus the blueball inducing threesome quest was a pretty funny way to tie it up (hah. a pun). Also the awkward conversations, particularly with Yen (she REALLY didn't like that bed) made being a lonely Witcher at the end kinda worthwhile.
Chatting to them after the incident, Triss says something like 'oh maybe we should get Yen over here for this chat' and Geralt bitches out and that's that. I was like, fuckin aye, bring Yen over. This should be hilarious. But sadly it wasn't an option.....
Biggest regret was killing Kiera. I swear I didn't want to, its just kinda how it happened. I really should have reloaded and redone that. Having her as well at Kaer Morhen would have been awesome. Mostly wanted to see how things happen with Lambert though. There's sure to be some LOLs, after all the shit he gives Geralt for hooking up with sorceresses, and then he ends up with one.
Some other questions/musings
- What of the 3rd Crone that got away? I understand in the bad ending Geralt hunts her down, but otherwise? Answered in DLC?
- What of Av'allach? Eredin said some shit about he couldn 't be trusted. So i gather there was nothing in that given he was with Ciri when you find him at the tower. But then what? He played a fairly major role across the whole game, even if he was in the background (or a mutated freak) for a lot of it
- As mentioned, the Lodge? Phillipa was scheming stuff and the last we saw of any of them they were casting magic on a hill. The emperor said Yen was going to stay in the North, but what of the others? Not even sure what ended up happening with Triss. Again DLC?
- Some interesting characters that I would have liked to deal with more ( I may have missed something...) were Francis Bedlam and the surgeon guy who helps you with the serial killer quest. Bedlam seemed really interesting and well voice acted. The meeting with him and Triss was great. The looks that Triss and Geralt exchanged during that scene were so good. They were like 'Hey! Good to see you. Really wanna catch up. Buuuut this shits pretty important' . Was so spot on. The surgeon guy also seemed pretty cool, and his character model seemed to have a fair bit of work go into it so i thought we would see more. Last I saw of him he was beside Priscillas bed when she was recovering. Now i think of it that was the last I saw of her as well
- I never found my way to the Nilfgaard garrison in the south east of Velen. There's a notice board there, but anything else of note?
- I enjoyed combat once I started to get a bit OP and slaughter my way through fights. Baddest man in the land, getting killed by 5 wild dogs was getting a little old early until I got some gear and learned what works with the combat system more. Felt alot better and more 'in character' dominating fights
- Finished with mastercrafted Ursine chest piece (cos of flowyness) and the rest mastercrafted feline. I like the feline gloves and the 10% attack bonus for each piece seemed like a no brainer. You dont really even see the pants and boots, which the Ursine more or less covers. Also I kinda prefered the 3rd tier of Ursine. Was much more medieval Jedi, then the mastercrafted chainmail stuff. Nice but I thought it looked a little more generic
- Fuck Gwent (ducks for cover) I did the tutorial, was winning (i think. My number was bigger) the whole way and on the last card some shit happens and I lose. Done with that. Got a kind-of Daughter to find. Everytime I was chatting to a Merchant I feared accidently challenging them to a game by mis-clicking. Thankfully never happened.
Jokes of course. Seems like its quite popular. I'll likely give it a proper look when I get around to another playthrough
- I threw a baby, willingly, into an Oven. Don't think i've done that before.....
Regarding Yen and Triss, what I personally felt (not reading the books) was:
Yennefer - Oh look it's my ex-wife I was married to for 20 years, great in bed and looks good but still bitchy and stingy as ever. Haven't seen her in a long time, but now she needs me because our adult daughter got herself in trouble.
Even my friends complain about her constantly, why did I ever date her again?
Triss - Yeah baby she's beautiful, exciting, nice, caring, really has a thing for me, and I've known her for the last 9 years doing all kinds of adventures. She's the obvious choice who I want to spend the rest of my life with.
I mean, sure Yen and Geralt have been together for a long time but I think it's silly to say that's the reason why she needs to be the canon ending.
I've been in long relationships enough to know that they don't always work out, lol.
Regarding Yen and Triss, what I personally felt (not reading the books) was:
Yennefer - Oh look it's my ex-wife I was married to for 20 years, great in bed and looks good but still bitchy and stingy as ever. Haven't seen her in a long time, but now she needs me because our adult daughter got herself in trouble.
Even my friends complain about her constantly, why did I ever date her again?
Triss - Yeah baby she's beautiful, exciting, nice, caring, really has a thing for me, and I've known her for the last 9 years doing all kinds of adventures. She's the obvious choice who I want to spend the rest of my life with.
I mean, sure Yen and Geralt have been together for a long time but I think it's silly to say that's the reason why she needs to be the canon ending.
I've been in long relationships enough to know that they don't always work out, lol.
It's not like it ever ended between Yenn and Geralt. He lost his memories, and went on afterwards to sleep with his best friend's wife. They had a thing going on, but then again, the one he really loved was Yennefer, not Triss even though fond of her. She does say she was being even bitchier than usual because him sleeping with Triss wasn't a easy thing to face.
I mean, I didn't read the books either, but it's obvious Yenn is the canon choice for a reason.
It's not like it ever ended between Yenn and Geralt. He lost his memories, and went on afterwards to sleep with his best friend's wife. They had a thing going on, but then again, the one he really loved was Yennefer, not Triss even though fond of her. She does say she was being even bitcher than usual because him sleeping with Triss wasn't a easy thing to face.
I mean, I didn't read the books either, but it's obvious Yenn is the canon choice for a reason.
I know, and I don't really want to get stuck on the word "canon" because it's what's simply decided by the writer.
But as a pure W3 decision I'm just saying it's the idealistic, Disney-way of relationships to think that because Geralt loved Yen before then he must love her forever. I know it first hand that it's not true in real life either.
I think the grim realism of Geralt falling in love with Triss and dumping his old boring lover fits the Witcher universe as well as the other option where Geralt and Yen lived happily ever after.
I wouldn't say I can't stand her but she was a weak spot for sure. Only good part she had was in the Witcher ending when she got her sword. Outside of that you could of made her an magic stone with only minor tweaks. I didn't even like playing as her since they took away all the Witcher skills.
me and my girl triss livin the good life ciri is a witcher they going to let temeria rock. i wished theyd give triss a bigger role in this game but i guess she got to shine in #2. i liked her a lot and in a lot of the scenes later in the game she was just standing around
I know, and I don't really want to get stuck on the word "canon" because it's what's simply decided by the writer.
But as a pure W3 decision I'm just saying it's the idealistic, Disney-way of relationships to think that because Geralt loved Yen before then he must love her forever. I know it first hand that it's not true in real life either.
I think the grim realism of Geralt falling in love with Triss and dumping his old boring lover fits the Witcher universe as well as the other option where Geralt and Yen lived happily ever after.
lol what am I reading. Are you Insinuating that the ones who chose Yen never had their heart broken, hence they can't understand ? It doesn't matter either way, you're simply stating a opinion over which one you like best. It's all good.
Don't understand that Djikstra plot twist and the more I think about the more it seems out of character for him to just turn into a goon to be slaughtered. At least there should have been the option to talk him out of killing the others. Say he gives them an ultimatum where if he ever hears of them being in 'his' north again they're dead. Or, if he had to turn on them, don't involve him in the fight with 3 professional killers (and Thaler), have him escape and make all his goons in Novigrad hostile.
Something. Stupid way to go out for such a cunning person. He won, all he had to do was not die.
lol what am I reading. Are you Insinuating that the ones who chose Yen never had their heart broken, hence they can't understand ? It doesn't matter either way, you're simply stating a opinion over which one you like best. It's all good.
Lol absolutely not, I've got no beef with anyone choosing Yen, that's the beauty of the game that you can choose.
Just expressing what I've been thinking when I've read many opinions where people (who have many times read the books) are saying that Yennefer should be the only choice just because she has a long history with Geralt.
I'm all in for the design where there is no official "canon ending" for this game, that situations can change and you choose Geralt's future according to your own feelings.
Lol absolutely not, I've got no beef with anyone choosing Yen, that's the beauty of the game that you can choose.
Just expressing what I've been thinking when I've read many opinions where people (who have many times read the books) are saying that Yennefer should be the only choice just because she has a long history with Geralt.
I'm all in for the design where there is no official "canon ending" for this game, that situations can change and you choose Geralt's future according to your own feelings.
Yeah but they do have a point, Yennefer is the right and "only" choice when it comes to following the canon story. It's the only reason I've chosen Yennefer in the game for my first playthrough. I just thought it was a obvious choice seeing how the whole game revolve around Ciri, Geralt and Yennefer, which they were like a family before shit went down and Geralt lost his memories.
Regarding Yen and Triss, what I personally felt (not reading the books) was:
Yennefer - Oh look it's my ex-wife I was married to for 20 years, great in bed and looks good but still bitchy and stingy as ever. Haven't seen her in a long time, but now she needs me because our adult daughter got herself in trouble.
Even my friends complain about her constantly, why did I ever date her again?
Triss - Yeah baby she's beautiful, exciting, nice, caring, really has a thing for me, and I've known her for the last 9 years doing all kinds of adventures. She's the obvious choice who I want to spend the rest of my life with.
I mean, sure Yen and Geralt have been together for a long time but I think it's silly to say that's the reason why she needs to be the canon ending.
I've been in long relationships enough to know that they don't always work out, lol.
I had no use for the "canon" or Yennefer while playing through these games. Surprised so many did. The games are their own internalized bit of fiction and for me that meant Triss. It's not like the author of those books is exactly gung-ho about marrying the fiction between the two universes either.
I had no use for the "canon" or Yennefer while playing through these games. Surprised so many did. The games are their own internalized bit of fiction and for me that meant Triss. It's not like the author of those books is exactly gung-ho about marrying the fiction between the two universes either.
This. The developer gives you a chance to break off the djin wish specifically so you can do whatever you want. Following canon is meaningless when the game allows you to do whatever you want. Notice how Geralt still flirts with yen prior to breaking off the wish.
I do agree with some that the whole end sequence feels a bit rushed or at the very least underwhelming, especially in comparison to the amazing sequence at Kaer Morhen.
I get that the game is huge and there would naturally be some parts where the quality dips, it's just a tad disappointing that this game follows the tradition of the climax being where corners have seemingly been cut. It felt like I just ran up to the Naglfar, stabbed Eredin in the eye and that was it. I like the three distinct ending variations after the final battle, but then we get a comic representation of what happened next and it's all wrapped up in under a minute. It's not that I expected a hour long "Eskel did this" and "that guy who gave you a contract 80 hours ago did that" ending but I think an adventure of this scope warranted something just a little more. What happened to the Lodge? Where did Avallac'h go? Those seem like pretty big questions to ignore. I really hoped Geralt and Fringilla Vigo's interactions would amount to more as well, considering their relationship in the books.
I don't want to sound like I really disliked it though, because I didn't. It was a satisfying end for the most part. The journey was excellent and it's easily one of my favourite games I've ever played. Already bought the expansion pass and I'm particularly excited to visit Toussaint.
in the quest possession in the house were you throw the fake baby into the oven there is a trail that leads higher on the mountain with a question mark on top. i couldnt find a way to get up there. anyone find out how?
finished it today, man what a game, one of my favorite games I've ever played, the world, the characters, the music, all presents such a great atmosphere that you can't help but be sucked in and I was for over 120h and still didn't want it to finish (unlike a certain other AAA RPG that i kinda got sick off some 40h in), a new high point to measure any future RPGs and games in general against
of course when I finished it I went and looked up the other ending and man I'm happy I didn't get the bad ending, would probably have destroyed my whole experience with the game, got the ciri empress one with geralt being a lone witcher doing what he knows best (what can i say wanted to see all the sex scenes ^^) and I'm perfectly happy with that one
some amazing scenes in this game, Geralt first finding Ciri again thinking she is dead, Lambert, Geralt and Eskel being bros, Vesemirs funeral (rip old man), both battles, the whole ending running around with Ciri spending some time with her, the snowball fight, going to visit some different worlds
and of course the great quest, the whole Skelige quest line, the blood baron one, some of the novigrad stuff and the contracts, never got old even through they are pretty much the same thing but it gave you an amazing feeling of actually being a witcher
oh and one very stupid thing that has been bothering me, the whole silver vs steel sword thing with the wild hunt
I know that they are just elves, we visit their world and meet and talk to few of them, they are powerful magic users and have a great civilzation but at the end of the day they are not much different than "our" elves
so why the silver sword against them in W3? Agaist the squirels steel sword is just fine
I know that they used to just project their spirits into the witcher world before, but from what I understand now that they want Ciri they have just been using their mages to teleport over much in the same way ciri does hence why they bleed and we can kill them
so wouldn't a steel sword make more sense? I know it's probably a gameplay thing because they also have the monster hounds with them and constantly switching would be a pain but still ^^
in the quest possession in the house were you throw the fake baby into the oven there is a trail that leads higher on the mountain with a question mark on top. i couldnt find a way to get up there. anyone find out how?
in the quest possession in the house were you throw the fake baby into the oven there is a trail that leads higher on the mountain with a question mark on top. i couldnt find a way to get up there. anyone find out how?
if you don't convince Keira to come to Kaer Morhen apparently. Remember the scene where the Wild Hunt is overtaking him and when it seems like everything is gonna go bad Keira comes and like levitates every fucker and slams them on the ground?
if you don't convince Keira to come to Kaer Morhen apparently. Remember the scene where the Wild Hunt is overtaking him and when it seems like everything is gonna go bad Keira comes and like levitates every fucker and slams them on the ground?
Is there anyway to find the Bloody Baron after he leaves with his wife to the Blue Mountains? I completely forgot to get the gwent card off him before I finished the quest line and I thought I would run into him again atleast once more before the end of the game. Still havent finished though btw.
Is there anyway to find the Bloody Baron after he leaves with his wife to the Blue Mountains? I completely forgot to get the gwent card off him before I finished the quest line and I thought I would run into him again atleast once more before the end of the game. Still havent finished though btw.
if you don't convince Keira to come to Kaer Morhen apparently. Remember the scene where the Wild Hunt is overtaking him and when it seems like everything is gonna go bad Keira comes and like levitates every fucker and slams them on the ground?
