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The Witcher 3: Official Spoiler Thread - HLAKBR

Didn't see this question answered yet...

How I understand it is that the white frost is this thing (and what it is is completely vague...no clue on that) that threatens all worlds, including the worlds of Geralt and the Aen Elle elves, two of whom are Avellac'h and Eredin. The Aen Elle elves's world is under extreme threat from this white frost right now, so both Avellac'h and Eredin likely believe it dire to attempt to save their home world from the threat. Eredin via the Wild Hunt raids other worlds in the hopes of finding a suitable one to colonize, which requires overcoming that world militarily, and thus he requires some sort of method for large scale teleportation between worlds. Avellac'h is not as ruthless as Eredin, but still desires his world to be saved very greatly. He desires to use Ciri to accomplish that purpose. Therefore, both Eredin and Avellac'h's ultimate goals are the same (saving their world from the frost), but they use different means to get there. One thing that is never properly explained is why precisely ciri must travel to fight the white frost right while you are in battle with Eredin. I mean, why would she and Avellac'h not wait till after the battle is over?

I understand that ultimately they have the same goals and have existing reasons to not cooperate but the way that bit of exposition from Eredin came about seemed really odd and unnecessary. He and Geralt had plenty of reason to square of. Avallac'h going off and doing his own thing was of no concern to him. If he Avallac'h wanted to be the new king of the Wild Hunt that'd be a twist. This wasn't a twist at all.
 
Didn't see this question answered yet...

How I understand it is that the white frost is this thing (and what it is is completely vague...no clue on that) that threatens all worlds, including the worlds of Geralt and the Aen Elle elves, two of whom are Avellac'h and Eredin. The Aen Elle elves's world is under extreme threat from this white frost right now, so both Avellac'h and Eredin likely believe it dire to attempt to save their home world from the threat. Eredin via the Wild Hunt raids other worlds in the hopes of finding a suitable one to colonize, which requires overcoming that world militarily, and thus he requires some sort of method for large scale teleportation between worlds. Avellac'h is not as ruthless as Eredin, but still desires his world to be saved very greatly. He desires to use Ciri to accomplish that purpose. Therefore, both Eredin and Avellac'h's ultimate goals are the same (saving their world from the frost), but they use different means to get there. One thing that is never properly explained is why precisely ciri must travel to fight the white frost right while you are in battle with Eredin. I mean, why would she and Avellac'h not wait till after the battle is over?
Real talk though: What the fuck is up with the white frost? I feel like none of that was explained well at all, and I don't know if Ciri was saving her world from the white frost at the end, but then why would the Wild Hunt be coming to that world if it was going to be destroyed by the white frost just like theirs? None of that shit made any sense to me.
 
RE White Frost: I saw Eredin as running, Avellac'h as confronting. The White Frost would consume Tir na Lia eventually and Eredin's solution seemed to be conquest through world hopping, which he needed Ciri's power for, running from an event Avellac'h felt was inevitable (he says as much in his quest). Avellac'h intends to use Ciri as a means of confronting the White Frost, whatever it is and however she does it, which conflicts with Eredin's desire to use her as an escape tool. Hence their opposition though shared interest in Ciri.

I mean I think the Empress ending was super rushed because of the criteria for getting that ending vs the Witcher ending, which is just go visit Emhyr, and then even though Ciri yells at him she still takes the throne. I don't see how that one action radically changes her character arc from "someone who wants to be free and not be subject to the whims of others" to "someone who is going to sacrifice her independence for the greater good." There's just nothing in that one scene that can change her like that. And even if there was, it would be an egregious fuck you to the player to have that pivotal moment offscreen, as Geralt waits outside while they talk. You're really telling me that THAT scene is the most pivotal one of her character arc? Come on. And that's the ONLY scene different leading to the Empress ending. Obviously Radovid can die in either the Witcher or Empress endings.

Geralt/you don't need to know. I think that's the point. The speaks with Emhyr and irrespective of how she feels at the time she is exposed to a new perspective that can assist in influencing her decision. Because it's perceptually short yet significant doesn't make it redundant. Without confronting that information Ciri has no reason to take the throne.

Maybe too much relied on it, but I see its purpose. Witcher ending seems to come about by letting Ciri be a wild, free spirit but at the same running from her identity. Crone ending is by overly neglecting and/or enforcing behaviour on Ciri to the point where she feels she has no real guidance. Empress ending is Ciri confronting her identity and conforming to it.
 
RE White Frost: I saw Eredin as running, Avellac'h as confronting. The White Frost would consume Tir na Lia eventually and Eredin's solution seemed to be conquest through world hopping, which he needed Ciri's power for, running from an event Avellac'h felt was inevitable (he says as much in his quest). Avellac'h intends to use Ciri as a means of confronting the White Frost, whatever it is and however she does it, which conflicts with Eredin's desire to use her as an escape tool. Hence their opposition though shared interest in Ciri.
So why didn't Eredin and Avellac'h just team up, go up to Geralt and say, "yo can we borrow your daughter, we need her help to end the apocalypse forever?" It seems to me like Eredin had no reason to want to kidnap Ciri and use her to escape when he could just ask her to help with destroying the white frost and saving every world.

Geralt/you don't need to know. I think that's the point. The speaks with Emhyr and irrespective of how she feels at the time she is exposed to a new perspective that can assist in influencing her decision. Because it's perceptually short yet significant doesn't make it redundant. Without confronting that information Ciri has no reason to take the throne.

Maybe too much relied on it, but I see its purpose. Witcher ending seems to come about by letting Ciri be a wild, free spirit but at the same running from her identity. Crone ending is by overly neglecting and/or enforcing behaviour on Ciri to the point where she feels she has no real guidance. Empress ending is Ciri confronting her identity and conforming to it.
Normally I'd agree with you, it's not a third person omniscient perspective so Geralt shouldn't know everything that happens, but you just can't leave such a supposedly pivotal scene offscreen. And it doubly stings because Geralt could've been in that scene - he could've not been forced to leave - but he's not, and therefore has no agency over the scene and ultimately the entire plot with Ciri. In an RPG that touts player choice as such an important feature, that's a scene that Geralt should've had some influence over.

I mean at the very least you would think his agency over the scene could've been:
a) did you take the gold from Emhyr? Then Ciri distances herself from you and becomes closer to her father, closer to the Empress ending.
b) did you refuse the gold from Emhyr? Then Ciri distances herself even more from Emhyr and becomes closer to Geralt, closer to the Witcher ending.

Even that would've seemed like a better execution imo than
a) did you take the gold from Emhry? Then Ciri has a higher chance of dying at the end of the game.
b) did you not take the gold? Then she has a higher chance of living at the end of the game, and for some reason following in her father's footsteps

Agree to disagree I suppose =]
 
So why didn't Eredin and Avellac'h just team up, go up to Geralt and say, "yo can we borrow your daughter, we need her help to end the apocalypse forever?" It seems to me like Eredin had no reason to want to kidnap Ciri and use her to escape when he could just ask her to help with destroying the white frost and saving every world.

Because Eredin is a short sighted and blood thirsty moron. He was just looking at doing the same thing in the Continent that they did in their world.
 
So why didn't Eredin and Avellac'h just team up, go up to Geralt and say, "yo can we borrow your daughter, we need her help to end the apocalypse forever?" It seems to me like Eredin had no reason to want to kidnap Ciri and use her to escape when he could just ask her to help with destroying the white frost and saving every world.

Avellac'h says something along the lines of Eredin being driven by fear and I think the difference is simply in their character. Eredin is ruthless and for whatever reason doesn't trust or would not trust what Avellac'h intends with the Elder Blood and the White Frost, especially since Avellac'h seemed more interested in training her for using her power to that end while Eredin wished to control her. Politically Avellac'h and Eredin were absolute opposition, so there's no way they'd collaborate.

And ultimately both look down upon humans any way. Avellac'h has no interest in asking Geralt, neither does Eredin, because they probably don't feel it necessary to debate what they see as a higher purpose. Both basically have a plan and all parties are tools or obstacles, Avellac'h winning out by using the conflict with Eredin as a distraction.

Normally I'd agree with you, it's not a third person omniscient perspective so Geralt shouldn't know everything that happens, but you just can't leave such a supposedly pivotal scene offscreen. And it doubly stings because Geralt could've been in that scene - he could've not been forced to leave - but he's not, and therefore has no agency over the scene and ultimately the entire plot with Ciri. In an RPG that touts player choice as such an important feature, that's a scene that Geralt should've had some influence over.

I mean at the very least you would think his agency over the scene could've been:
a) did you take the gold from Emhyr? Then Ciri distances herself from you and becomes closer to her father
b) did you refuse the gold from Emhyr? Then Ciri distances herself even more from Emhyr and becomes closer to Geralt.

Even that would've seemed like a better execution imo than
a) did you take the gold from Emhry? Then Ciri has a higher chance of dying at the end of the game.
b) did you not take the gold? Then she has a higher chance of living, and following in her father's footsteps

Agree to disagree I suppose =]

We'll have to agree to disagree, as I simply disagree with that interpretation. Geralt's not entirely in control, he's simply an influence on Ciri. Ciri is, for most part, a wayward child who struggles with identity. She's royalty, who has run from royalty. She's a witcher, but not really a witcher. She's a sorceress, who was used by sorceresses. She's jumped from world to world on the run. She's been used and abused by Avellac'h, Eredin, and their folk. Through the books and the games she's really had no time to mature into a person able to make her own decisions.

Geralt as a father figure basically acts in a certain way, on your decisions, which influence Ciri's perception of you, her world, and her place in it. Taking the gold sends her a negative message that someone so important in her life would, to an extent, sell out like that. Here's a rock she relied on for guidance that now she can no longer trust. Taking to her Emhyr in the first place is teaching her to confront her identity and past, whatever choice she makes, rather than continue running from it.

So I guess I don't see Ciri as necessarily dead in any ending, another element intentionally left vague. In the Crone ending her survival of the White Frost is left unknown and Geralt left alone because that's what Ciri has done; she's abandoned him and he'll never know what happened.
 
I don't see the Witcher Ciri ending as her running from her identity, more of a "after being heroes for so long, we've earned the right to be selfish for once" thing.

Empress Ciri won't solve anything. Look at real world history, one good ruler can't make up for a history of crappy ones and does little to prevent a future of crappy ones. Better she guarantee her own happiness then live a miserable life of servitude and politics for the vague and miniscule possibility of bettering society for a few decades.
 
I don't see the Witcher Ciri ending as her running from her identity, more of a "after being heroes for so long, we've earned the right to be selfish for once" thing.

Empress Ciri won't solve anything. Look at real world history, one good ruler can't make up for a history of crappy ones and does little to prevent a future of crappy ones. Better she guarantee her own happiness then live a miserable life of servitude and politics for the vague and miniscule possibility of bettering society for a few decades.

Right, I agree, with the former part that is. I see Witcher ending as the neutral ending, which is a major theme in the series and a distinct path in the first game. Whatever is going on in the world politically or socially or whatever, Ciri says "fuck it" to her past and expectations placed on her and change that she could make (for better or worse) and walks the neutral Witcher path while the world keeps spinning.
 
I forgot to mention, the first thing I thought of when I got the Witcher ending was the ending to the original Pirates of the Caribbean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXWBQHxkYx4

Specifically the cut to black when Jack closes the compass. Great ending to a great movie. Super fun and exciting and it ends with Jack going off to have more adventures happily ever after. Now after thinking about it, the Empress ending to this game reminds of the ending to the much more reviled Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End. For anyone who only saw the first one (count yourself lucky, although the second one was aiight), the ending to At World's End has one of the heroes unable to live happily ever after with his friends and his hot wife Keira Knightly. Instead, the only way to beat the major antagonist of the movie was to take his place, and essentially trap himself serving on a spectral pirate ship for ever and ever. This ending felt so terrible and depressing because the Pirates movies were about freedom and adventure, to have the trilogy end with the exact opposite of that felt...depressing. My dissatisfaction with the Empress ending might stem from a similar thematic conflict within the narrative. After 50+ hours of doing whatever you want and going wherever you want and Ciri telling you that all she wants is to be free and do whatever she wants and go wherever she wants, it feels weird seeing her lose her freedom and be stuck somewhere.
 
you fucked up mate. There's no reconciliation. I'm surprised by the amount of people that told both girls they love them and expected a happy ending haha.

You'll have to either play again or watch walkthroughs of people doing Triss exclusively.

i didnt know triss was gonna be an option to say that, plus that yen quest with the (Him? i believe) that you do to lift a spell was very awesome and made me think about going strictly yen
 
lol. Triss was basically telling you "I don't wanna get hurt, it's better we go our separate ways" and you were all "no please, i love you, only you"

and then "lol jk"
 
I don't see the Witcher Ciri ending as her running from her identity, more of a "after being heroes for so long, we've earned the right to be selfish for once" thing.

Empress Ciri won't solve anything. Look at real world history, one good ruler can't make up for a history of crappy ones and does little to prevent a future of crappy ones. Better she guarantee her own happiness then live a miserable life of servitude and politics for the vague and miniscule possibility of bettering society for a few decades.

I disagree. One good ruler can change A LOT as history has shown. Also, Emhyr was able to do what no one else was able to in that ending, conquer all the North and unite the Continent under one banner. Empress Ciri could do a lot of good with such power and influence.
 
I disagree. One good ruler can change A LOT as history has shown. Also, Emhyr was able to do what no one else was able to in that ending, conquer all the North and unite the Continent under one banner. Empress Ciri could do a lot of good with such power and influence.

not to mention the basic human decency that Geralt taught her.
 
Can someone tell us what we missed?

Djikstra, Thaler and Roche asks Geralt to bait Radovid out with news of Phillipa Eilhart. Phillipa herself gives him a ring to back it up.

Radovid is baited; he marches out with all of his men, and orders Geralt killed. Roche, the bro that he is, saves him and shit hits the fan. Geralt and Roche hack through Redanian soldiers until they reach Radovid, who tries to run away, only to be ambushed by Phillipa. She blinds him, then stabs him in the heart.

Afterward, it's revealed that the triumvirate had set up a deal with Nilfgaard, where Temeria and Redania would be free again, but as vassals to the NIlfgaardian Empire. Roche and Thaler are happy, but Djikstra betrays them and orders them killed so he could just take over Radovid's operation and rule a unified North.
 
Plenty silly of every fucking character who turned on Geralt really. Like how much of an idiot must you be if you see this man take on fucking giant creatures and like 10 people at a time and you think "Geralt get away or me and like my 5 henchmen will kill you"

lol
 
For those who have read the books, how long were Ciri and Geralt together when she was a child? Geralt loves her a ton but it seems like she wasn't with him for long.

In one of the endings she says that the months she spent in Kaer Morhen passed by too fast. Did they spend time out of Kaer Morhen?

You also learn that she spent a long time in Arc Skellige with the King and his family.

Makes it feel like she wasn't with him for too long.
 
not to mention the basic human decency that Geralt taught her.

Good people can make for shitty rulers though

The empress ending seems pretty dour to me. Girl has had the weight of the world on her shoulders her whole life and went as far as stopping the freaking Armageddon. That's the one good too many. Witcher ending could be seen from her running from her responsibilities and to that I say good.

Plenty silly of every fucking character who turned on Geralt really. Like how much of an idiot must you be if you see this man take on fucking giant creatures and like 10 people at a time and you think "Geralt get away or me and like my 5 henchmen will kill you"

lol

I could understand if it was some vagrant but Dijkstra lol

That could have played out so much better. Hopefully they re-do it in an enhanced edition.
 
For those who have read the books, how long were Ciri and Geralt together when she was a child? Geralt loves her a ton but it seems like she wasn't with him for long.

In one of the endings she says that the months she spent in Kaer Morhen passed by too fast. Did they spend time out of Kaer Morhen?

You also learn that she spent a long time in Arc Skellige with the King and his family.

Makes it feel like she wasn't with him for too long.

The details of her childhood is covered in the short stories and the Blood of Elves:

Ciri spent most of her childhood in Ard Skellige and Cintra, before Nilfgaard took it over. Her first encounter with Geralt was in Brokilon Forest, and he was initially not interested in adopting her, even though Ciri wanted to stay with him. She then became an orphan during the war and was adopted by a peasant family, until Geralt found her again through the Law of Surprise. That was when Geralt decided to adopt Ciri as his daughter and their relationship was strengthened.

He took her to Kaer Morhen for the winter and trained her to become a Witcher until Triss protested. During the spring, they decided to send her to be educated under by Nenneke in the Temple of Melitele.
 
Djikstra, Thaler and Roche asks Geralt to bait Radovid out with news of Phillipa Eilhart. Phillipa herself gives him a ring to back it up.

Radovid is baited; he marches out with all of his men, and orders Geralt killed. Roche, the bro that he is, saves him and shit hits the fan. Geralt and Roche hack through Redanian soldiers until they reach Radovid, who tries to run away, only to be ambushed by Phillipa. She blinds him, then stabs him in the heart.

Afterward, it's revealed that the triumvirate had set up a deal with Nilfgaard, where Temeria and Redania would be free again, but as vassals to the NIlfgaardian Empire. Roche and Thaler are happy, but Djikstra betrays them and orders them killed so he could just take over Radovid's operation and rule a unified North.

You missed the part where Phillipa goes ~uguu~ and falls into Djikstra's arms and they stare into each other's "eyes"
 
The details of her journey is covered in the short stories and the Blood of Elves: Ciri spent most of her childhood in Ard Skellige and Cintra, before the Nilfgaardians took it over. She was an orphan and then adopted by a peasant family, until Geralt found her again through the Law of Surprise.

He took her to Kaer Morhen for the winter and trained her to become a Witcher until Triss protested. During the spring, they decided to send her to be educated under by the Nenneke in the Temple of Melitele.

Thank you.
 
Can we talk more about the other worlds you encounter in the game? I really wanted to explore those environments beyond a 5-min quest.
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I like the Ciri empress ending, I didn't feel sad about it. If she wants, she could literally visit Geralt everyday, she's the lady of time and space after all.

But game throwing you back to Kaer Mohren is kind of depressing, everyone was gone and I had no one to talk to, no DA:O style victory party.
 
Every time Philippa is on screen my heart is filled with joy.
 
Can we talk more about the other worlds you encounter in the game? I really wanted to explore those environments beyond a 5-min quest.

I really love the whole going to different world quest lines and it was probably one of the best moments in the game for me with how it warped you through different places full of masterful atmosphere and ambiance.

I remember the one part with the toxic ground and the whole stone/alienating pillars stretching along the overgrown world for miles and all you can hear is this gigantic roar somewhere in the distance, never knowing what it will be. That stuff was fucking fantastic.
 
Is it just me or is Philippa's facial structure quite different in this game?

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Well, she certainly looks cuter in the Wild Hunt. Her facial structure definitely looks more round compared to her oval face in Assassins of Kings.

I was surprised when Triss revealed that she was the owl that Zoltan won in a game of cards. Her polymorph is a snowy owl, and the resemblance is hardly similar to the owl found in Zoltan's house IIRC.
 
I played some of Witcher 1 and all of 2, but I don't ever remember it being indicated that the wild hunt
is alien elves from another planet
shit kinda threw me for a loop
 
Every time Philippa is on screen my heart is filled with joy.

Yesss

She's the best.

Can we talk more about the other worlds you encounter in the game? I really wanted to explore those environments beyond a 5-min quest.

I know what you mean, but I think it was just the right amount of teasing. Memorable as all hell, gorgeous, begs so many questions, doesn't detract from the main game.
 
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