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[Turin Turambar]

My end:


-Blood baron hanged himself, horse beast spirit thing freed.
-Cerys queen.
-Nilfgaard defeated, Redania expanded.
-Geralt goes to Kovir with Triss, finally leaves the Path, more or less.
-Ciri free and being a witcher. Which is a bit stupid, girl, the moment people hear about a pretty girl of 20 years with white heair working as a witcher every-fucking-one is going to know you are still alive! Not a lot more of witcher-women in this world.

The only thing where I "failed" was with Radovid. There was a quest to kill him but I mssed it because I used the wrong option with Djisktra. It seemed wrong for me to say about Ciri, as he is a powerful person which still is much the old spymaster that he was once, that could provoke more people plotting using her. I kind of dig the Nilfgaardian empire, maybe it's the cool armors, maybe the Pax Imperia promise.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

again I don't think the point of them saying that Ciri was dead was to have the emperor believe it and never look back again. It was just a "give us time to gtfo" type of deal.

Heck the emperor might even take the hint in the witcher ending.

 

[SunBroDave]

again I don't think the point of them saying that Ciri was dead was to have the emperor believe it and never look back again. It was just a "give us time to gtfo" type of deal.

Heck the emperor might even take the hint in the witcher ending.

C'mon Geralt was totally lying so that Emhyr would stop coming after Ciri. It's a movie trope

 

[Admiral Woofington]

C'mon Geralt was totally lying so that Emhyr would stop coming after Ciri. It's a movie trope

I see the movie trope angle, but realistically you would hope Geralt is not dumb enough to think that the man who runs a fucking empire is gullible enough to believe this and not be able to hear that there's an ashen haired witcher later and not connect 2 and 2 to get 22.

 

[SunBroDave]

I see the movie trope angle, but realistically you would hope Geralt is not dumb enough to think that the man who runs a fucking empire is gullible enough to believe this and not be able to hear that there's an ashen haired witcher later and not connect 2 and 2 to get 22.

Shhhh it's a movie. Er, game. lol. You make a good point but you might be reading a little too much into it.

I kind of dig the Nilfgaardian empire, maybe it's the cool armors, maybe the Pax Imperia promise.

Could be because they're not racist like Redania.

 

[frontovik]

In regards to the Battle for Kaer Morhen, I was surprised that Geralt refused to co-operate with Emhyr on who should lead the Nilfgaardian reinforcement. He needed all the allies he could get and military support from Nilfgaard would have bolstered their defence.

The beginning of the Sword of Destiny trailer shows some Nilfgaardian soldiers descending from a forest. Is that scene shown in the game?

 

[Admiral Woofington]

He needed all the help he could get but it was an enemy that the Nilfgaardians knew nothing about nor had the training to take charge in and the emperor was just trying to do a dick sizing competition. At that point he's better off without his help.

 

[SunBroDave]

In regards to the Battle for Kaer Morhen, I was surprised that Geralt refused to co-operate with Emhyr on who should lead the Nilfgaardian reinforcement. He needed all the allies he could get and military support from Nilfgaard would have bolstered their defence.

The beginning of the Sword of Destiny trailer shows some Nilfgaardian soldiers descending from a forest. Is that scene shown in the game?

Thats a fair point. Hell he was even willing to team up with Djikstra. No, I don't think that forest scene with the soldiers is in the final game.

 

[ICKE]

Obviously I absolutely love the game and it is one of my all time favorites but I slightly dislike how CD Projekt handled the buildup to Geralt's reunion with Yennefer and Cirilla.

I mentioned this in the other thread but if people don't pay a lot of attention during Witcher 2 it can be hard to fully understand his journey. Yennefer is his one true love and Cirilla is the adopted daughter who traveled through space and time in order to bring them back from the dead. All this is kind of lost in the trilogy, because it is only referenced quickly and at times one can only read about it via lore entries. All these relationships are there though

The game begins with snide comments from Yennefer but that is your wife for all intents and purposes. A powerful character in your life. Triss is not as dynamic as a character. In the games she comes across as sympathetic but players should understand that Triss was there at Kaer Morhen when Ciri grew up. She was a sister figure, she knows about Avalon and how grandiose the story is between Ciri, Yen and Geralt but kind of disregarded that when Geralt tragically sacrificed himself at the Hanged Man's Tree and eventually lost his memory. One can not blame her for loving him and seizing the opportunity when it presented itself but she is the definition of a third wheel. I suppose the game heavily implies that Triss understands the jig is up. Geralt has recovered his memory and this little smooch fest should definitely be over.

Also the reunion with Cirilla is touching but do players understand how close these people are to one another? In the novels they use phrases such as

Ciri to Yennefer : "I've already seen a war" she wispered. "I don't want to see another. Never. I don't want to be alone again. I don't want to be frigthened. I don't want to lose everything again, like that time. I don't want to lose Geralt....or you. I don't want to lose you. I want to stay with you. And him. Always"

Ciri sniffed again. Yennefer coughed quietly, put down the scissors and comb, got to her feet and crossed over to the window. The ravens were still croaking in their flight towards the mountains.

But in the trilogy the waters are slightly muddled. One can even have the impression that Cirilla is just a close friend to Geralt and Yennefer. The mythical isle of Avalon where Yen and Geralt apparently lived so long that they stopped counting time is kind of an after thought as well.

I understand why CD Projekt opted for this approach. They wanted to keep various avenues more open for role playing purposes but damn if it isn't frustrating at times.

 

[ICKE]

And what happened to? :

I am legit sad, I suppose that is up to our imagination.

 

[SunBroDave]

I am legit sad, I suppose that is up to our imagination.

DLC maybe? I think they said something about the expansion Hearts of Stone reuniting Geralt with fan favorite characters who weren't in the base game. I'm hoping that's where we'll see Iorveth, and it's possible Saskia is with him.

 

[toastyToast]

Is it just me or is Philippa's facial structure quite different in this game?

vs

Every character from TW2 has a different facial structure. Noticed it on Roche especially.

The new Philippa looks younger but I mean sorceress magic or whatever.

 

[burntchomsky]

Can we talk more about the other worlds you encounter in the game? I really wanted to explore those environments beyond a 5-min quest.

I am with you about this! That must have been alot of work for CDPR to create the art design, textures, and what not for those worlds only to use them for one quest. I very much hope we get to go back at some point. The desert world in particular would be very interesting to explore.

Actually, that makes me think: someone had mentioned earlier (or maybe this was in another thread?) that they would like CDPR to work on a Western themed open-world game next, ala Red Dead. I very much hope they don't do that, because I love how they handle the fantasy setting and it would be a shame to lose it. But I am thinking they might do great with a desert / Western themed sci-fi / fantasy world ala Dune.

 

[Dresden]

Kinda hoping for a trip to Zerrikania in the next Witcher game.

They do make the best saddlebags.

 

[KingKong]

Kinda hoping for a trip to Zerrikania in the next Witcher game.

They do make the best saddlebags.

I would love a desert landscape after all these forests

 

[ICKE]

I would love a desert landscape after all these forests

I don't really think it fits the general theme. European folklore doesn't really mash well with deserts or other foreign surroundings. Need to have our forest trolls, witches, lake dwellers, orcs, ladies of the lake/woods and so on. Those games can be made by CD Projekt but it definitely should not happen within Sapkowskis world.

The Crones were so well done, straight out of my nightmares when I used to dwell in fantasy horror. I tend to immerse myself heavily in these stories. As a result moments such as those tend to hound me the following night.

I also absolutely loved the reunion in that log cabin. No words were needed and the scene was well choreographed. I kinda wish we had such moments during the trilogy. Maybe instead of references and cartoon stills we should have had real scenes in Witcher 2 to really drive the point home. Shouldn't complain though, the emotional impact was through the roof when Ciri was finally found. It is extremely rare to feel something like that during games.

 

[leng jai]

Did they even mention of Priscilla again after the attack?

 

[Flipyap]

The mythical isle of Avalon where Yen and Geralt apparently lived so long that they stopped counting time is kind of an after thought as well.

This doesn't have anything to do with passage of time, it just means that they didn't have a care in the world.
I dunno, I think it's best that they leave the whole Arthurian legend dimension alone. It would be really hard to execute in a way that isn't really on the nose.

 

[Einchy]

Did they even mention of Priscilla again after the attack?

In one of the endings Dandelion tells Geralt that she's doing better and has started singing again.

 

[ICKE]

This doesn't have anything to do with passage of time, it just means that they didn't have a care in the world.
I dunno, I think it's best that they leave the whole Arthurian legend dimension alone. It would be really hard to execute in a way that isn't really on the nose.

It's all a bit vague to be honest. It sort of demonstrates how powerful the connection between the three is though. Ciri was so desperate that he was able to summon an unicorn and find a mythical location where Yen and Geralt came back from the dead. I suppose it is a practical choice to have it be a bit foggy.

 

[Voyevoda]

Can we talk more about the other worlds you encounter in the game? I really wanted to explore those environments beyond a 5-min quest.

I would have loved to, just like the books [books spoilers ahead],

Spoiler

travel in our world, and meet the Knights of the Round-Table.

Still, I like her reference to the world of remote war, and "something similar to megascopes".

 

[ICKE]

I would have loved to, just like the books [books spoilers ahead],

Spoiler

travel in our world, and meet the Knights of the Round-Table.

Still, I like her reference to the world of remote war, and "something similar to megascopes".

Visiting the mountainous landscape where the prophecy (Ithlinne) was definitely causing havoc was a really nice touch. Wish we could have been there just slightly longer reading various journal entries and what not.

I also liked her references. Vastness of the multiverse! If I see her jump through some portal in Cyberpunk 2077 while riding an unicorn my head is going to explode. /makeitsoCDP

 

[Flipyap]

It's all a bit vague to be honest. It sort of demonstrates how powerful the connection between the three is though. Ciri was so desperate that he was able to summon an unicorn and find a mythical location where Yen and Geralt came back from the dead. I suppose it is a practical choice to have it be a bit foggy.

Yeah, The Witcher is clearly meant to have an ambiguous ending and, in a way, the wild hunt trampling their island is symbolic of CD Projekt Red's disregard of many things established during those final moments (I write this tongue firmly in cheek, but... there's a grain of truth to it).
The only way they could have continued the series while respecting and less vaguely referencing the way Sapkowski decided to end the saga would be to tell a story set in that world, but they clearly wanted to render familiar characters and places, which forced them to break a few rules and promises.

 

[ICKE]

DLC maybe? I think they said something about the expansion Hearts of Stone reuniting Geralt with fan favorite characters who weren't in the base game. I'm hoping that's where we'll see Iorveth, and it's possible Saskia is with him.

I doubt it after reading the DLC descriptions. It really is a bummer but on the other hand some people might have killed her

Spoiler

(you regular son of a whore)

in W2 so having her play an integral role in this game wouldn't make sense from that perspective.

The story around Saskia, all the political intrique, was very GoT esque and extremely entertaining. She was a pure soul with good intentions - and obviously not a human.

 

[thequickandthedead]

I just remembered, what the hell happened to Anais? I saved her in my W2 playthrough but Roche doesn't mention her at all.

 

[frontovik]

Anais and the question of the Temerian succession appears to have been overlooked or ignored by CDPR... (just like poor Iorveth and Saskia) I'm surprised that she wasn't mentioned by Baroness LaValette or shown in the Temerian resistance camp.

It would make sense for Anais to be mentioned if you get the ending with Temeria as Nilfgaard's vassal state.

... I'm also disappointed that best bro, Siegfried, and the talented Cynthia didn't make an appearance as well.

Hopefully they'll make an appearance in the upcoming expansions.

 

[Turin Turambar]

Shhhh it's a movie. Er, game. lol. You make a good point but you might be reading a little too much into it.

Could be because they're not racist like Redania.

But from what I understand, Northern Kingdoms people are "free", while in Nilfgaard exist some form of legal slavery.

In the witcher world, nothing is good! etc

 

[toastyToast]

I think the reason why a lot of people kill whoreson jr is because the objective when you find him is literally kill whoreson jr

 

[Einchy]

I think the reason why a lot of people kill whoreson jr is because the objective when you find him is literally kill whoreson jr

I killed him since he tried to kill Ciri.

NO ONE TOUCHES MAH CIRI

 

[J4g3r]

Kinda hoping for a trip to Zerrikania in the next Witcher game.

They do make the best saddlebags.

As great as Practicum In Advanced Alchemy was, I really think they should have based the "master" alchemy quest around a Zerrikanian alchemist instead of a druid.

There's so much more depth that could have been added then, Zerrikania is famous for their alchemists after-all.

 

[Turin Turambar]

Apart from Ciri's fate, I would like a bit more of resolution in Geralt, for example in the romance. A custcene or mini playable area where you are reunited with your loved one. But they totally forgot about both lovers in the end part, and only reappear in an ending slide.

 

[Turin Turambar]

More thoughts in the game.


I think part of the problem of the end part of the game is that it has two climaxes, the one of Kaer Mohen, and the one at the final battle in the Skellige coast, and I think the first one was better, reuniting all the people in witcher stronghold, planning it all, Vesemir's death, etc. Part of the emotional payoff of the player is "spent" there.
What has the second climax? The fight against the big bad?

Eredin is just a tough baddie with a cool armor, the game didn't characterize him enough in any way for the final fight to be meaningful. Maybe a Ciri flashback when she was prisoner in the elf's world would have helped to make the player fear and respect Eredin, the typical "let's show the baddie in the mid part to make it relevant later and explain why he is so bad" done in other games. Even DA:I did it.
Even his design was super "evil guy!", which goes a bit against the themes of Witcher of greyness and realistic fantasy. He seemed more a dude of a good vs evil fantasy. Compare him with the Archmaster from Witcher 1 or Letho from Witcher 2.

Another example of how it feels a bit rushed is that we don't see any related to Crach's death, a little moment of his funeral would have been fine.

 

[EatChildren]

 

[Turin Turambar]

Where and when in the hell that happens?

 

[Blade30]

Where and when in the hell that happens?

In Kaer Morhen, while being drunk and waiting for Vesemirs return, who is trying to release the curse from Uma.
That Scene cracked me up lol.

 

[EatChildren]

Where and when in the hell that happens?

Drinking with your bros at Kaer Morhen, if you agree with the plan to SUMMON THE BITCHES using Yen's whateverscope.

 

[iNvid02]

Where and when in the hell that happens?

at kaer morhen while vesemir is out with uma

its just one more reason to leave yen and drink with your pals

i felt the need to remove geralt's shirt too

 

[ICKE]

Where and when in the hell that happens?

That was one of the funniest moment in the whole game. Before the fight in Kaer Morhen you can just continue drinking with your buddies. Eskel passes out at some point and then they start scheming while being completely wasted.

Someone gets an idea :

-Lets use Yen's megascope. Lets contact sorceresses and have them party with us.

*They proceed upstairs*

-Maybe we should put on a costume to fool them. Yennefer has some clothes.

*They do so*

-They use the device and a mage answers the call completely dumbfounded as to what is going on. He closes the connection and an angry Yennefer enters the room. Geralt is sleeping on the floor that night.

 

[Basileus777]

The Wild Hunt as a whole were the most compelling in the first Witcher game, before they were revealed as elves on horses.

Another example of how it feels a bit rushed is that we don't see any related to Crach's death, a little moment of his funeral would have been fine.

The last thing they needed to do was stretch out that ending even further. Everything after Caer Morhen felt too long as it was. You have the climatic peak of the game, and then it keeps going for 5 or so hours.

 

[EatChildren]

-They use the device and a mage answers the call. "What the hell is going on"

GUARDS

GUARDS HELP

ITS THE LODGE

THEY'VE FOUND ME

 

[Turin Turambar]

Drinking with your bros at Kaer Morhen, if you agree with the plan to SUMMON THE BITCHES using Yen's whateverscope.

Oh. I roleplayed too hard there and said no that the idea of using the megascope.

 

[ICKE]

GUARDS

GUARDS HELP

ITS THE LODGE

THEY'VE FOUND ME

Mission accomplished.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

More thoughts in the game.


I think part of the problem of the end part of the game is that it has two climaxes, the one of Kaer Mohen, and the one at the final battle in the Skellige coast, and I think the first one was better, reuniting all the people in witcher stronghold, planning it all, Vesemir's death, etc. Part of the emotional payoff of the player is "spent" there.
What has the second climax? The fight against the big bad?

Eredin is just a tough baddie with a cool armor, the game didn't characterize him enough in any way for the final fight to be meaningful. Maybe a Ciri flashback when she was prisoner in the elf's world would have helped to make the player fear and respect Eredin, the typical "let's show the baddie in the mid part to make it relevant later and explain why he is so bad" done in other games. Even DA:I did it.
Even his design was super "evil guy!", which goes a bit against the themes of Witcher of greyness and realistic fantasy. He seemed more a dude of a good vs evil fantasy. Compare him with the Archmaster from Witcher 1 or Letho from Witcher 2.

Another example of how it feels a bit rushed is that we don't see any related to Crach's death, a little moment of his funeral would have been fine.

Agreed here. Battle at Kaer Morhen felt like it should have been closer to the ending in terms of its use.

 

[RazorUK]

Sometime before launch there was leaked data from the Witcher 3 Alpha. It included production tables on many things such as character and Quest lists.
I thought it would be interesting to check it out again after completing the game.

There is one table that lists the main characters. Majority of the characters listed here are featured in the final game (it includes Baron, Dijkstra, Keira, UMA etc).

There is only one character listed who didn't show up in the game. This may spoil one of the expansions.
The character's name is:

Spoiler

Iorweth. It states his model was completed over 3 days and was 100%.

 

[Auctopus]

I would love a desert landscape after all these forests

The short segment of desert in the game is terrific.

 

[martino]

It's all a bit vague to be honest. It sort of demonstrates how powerful the connection between the three is though. Ciri was so desperate that he was able to summon an unicorn and find a mythical location where Yen and Geralt came back from the dead. I suppose it is a practical choice to have it be a bit foggy.

They done it well exploiting the last wish imo.
And it make sense to me. Geralt must have wanted to fuck at first.
But nothing else than a wish could have bond him to her.
(yes i'm not a fan of yen personality at all even in the book)

 

[Flipyap]

They done it well exploitingthe last wish imo.
And it make sense to me. Geralt must have wanted to fuck at first.
But nothing else than a wish could have bond him to her.
(yes i'm not a fan of yen personality at all even in the book)

I don't buy it. He developed his childlike crush on her even before making the wish.
He's obsessed with her like a geriatric schoolboy, feelings like that don't listen to reason. I prefer to think that the wish did the same thing the law of surprise did - bound their fates, not altered their brains.

 

[J4g3r]

GUARDS

GUARDS HELP

ITS THE LODGE

THEY'VE FOUND ME

Everything about this part of the game was fantastic.

Lambert's Vesemir impression had me in tears.

"This is a job... FOR VESEMIR!"

 

[martino]

I don't buy it. He developed his childlike crush on her even before making the wish.
He's obsessed with her like a geriatric schoolboy, feelings like that don't listen to reason. I prefer to think that the wish did the same thing the law of surprise did - bound their fates, not altered their brains.

Thanks to video games the two of us can be happy with his choice )

 

[martino]

Oh. I roleplayed too hard there and said no that the idea of using the megascope.

I would have ditched yen either way but i'm even more glad i did it because of this scene.