JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
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mcjmetroid
Member
I've made that alien argument before actually.
I agree with everything you said here. However sometimes casting choices based on race is done to promote a film and I dont think this should be done.
The recent choice of Little mermaid as a black actress or the possibility of a female bond would be absolute attention seeking stuff.
Intentional race casting can sometimes come off as more racist than anything else.
To me there is a line.
Sygma
Member
You know what I find overly weird ? outside of Amber Heard playing Mera and that girl playing Starfire in some DC series I can't remember the name of, it seems like redheads in general (from the original materials) are just totally unwanted / systematically replaced. I don't really care about who's playing the role but that one is very puzzling to me lol
What's bad with making a movie more enticing to a larger demographic ? if anything its easy money for the studio
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I don't know how I feel about the Little Mermaid, since it wasn't a film I was going to see I can't say it matters. I'd be curious if the original source material for the Little Mermaid was race neutral. Most people know the Disney Ariel and she was as white as white. LOL.
As for the female bond, I have to disagree, because (at least until I see the film and can judge for myself) IMO they are doing it the right way by introducing her next to the Bond we know instead of just replacing male white Bond out of the blue. IMO, that is the way you do diversity based characters, by making them strong and introducing them in a way that seems natural. I'll judge the film when it comes out since I love Bond and am very much hoping that Daniel Craig gets sent off on a high note.
Back to Superman, I am not opposed to a black Superman, but don't make him Clark Kent. Do what Marvel did with Miles Morales in Spiderman, build him up next to the Peter Parker we have always known.
A game that I think got diversity perfectly correct, was Red Dead Redemption 2. It had strong females and black characters without seeming agenda like.
Sygma
Member
Coflash
Member
This is all it comes down to. It's interesting because if you happen to dislike a game, movie or whatever else, you'll typically hear something like "but it's subjective!" and that's the end of it. When it comes to casting choices in regards to race - you either accept it or... you end up with something resembling the past couple of pages in this thread.
And to be clear - I don't care about the show including people of different origins, I just think they could have handled it better than to simply insert various races in every scene. Why not expand on Tea & Vea? Why not create new stories? It's not as if it was an impossible task to include various races. We know the people of the world are as prejudiced/xenophobic as hell when it comes to anything that is different. It is a core part of conflict throughout the entirety of the books. They mock Geralt for being albino, for example, yet everyone else is fine? It doesn't seem relatable.
And Triss + Fringilla were awful choices. But in saying that - it's hard to go from reading the books and playing the games where I always imagined (and in the games, saw) these people as something else entirely.
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New Yorks Finest
Banned
Not gonna lie, series made me thirsty for the game, good opportunity to start DLC 
TwilightPrincess
Member
It becomes a bit corny modern US Fantasy Show and it makes the medieval europe inspired world less believable for me. and sadly the maker of the series told us the reasons for the diversity herself (made for 190countries, also white US did slavery) and if the rumours where true they wanted PoC for Ciris casting untill the shitstorm hit. She didn't say that the different races where spread through magic in that one event, she was clear it's for representations sake, for money, for inclusion and because slavery. Medieval towns with a population like modern New York or London, i like the game better in that regard.
I really wonder how triggered people would be if the next Witcher game had a non black Fringilla again. Will they call it whitewashing? They attacked CD project Red for not having enough black NPCs, or Kingdom Come Deliverence... so i guess it's pretty ok to critize the series for their changes which happend for PC reasons.
And no, i'm not boykotting it or tell people to hate it, I'm not a SJW. I'm still enjoying it with a few annoying hickups. I'm also fine with magicians being black in that world like Fringilla, they can move with magic and use portals, they are no normal townfolk that are bound to one place. Yen is Ok i guess, i got used to her, thinking of bollywood a few times but she fits the role somehow. Still i don't like the agenda that every fantasy or medieval world/city should represent modern western cities (funny enough cities in other areas in the world aren't that diverse )
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Trogdor1123
Member
Just watched the first episode. Rather liked it. Definitely going to watch
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
The Witcher season 3: Everything we know about volume 2
The Witcher season 3 has been split into two parts
BouncyFrag
Member
My sister when I told her Cavil takes his shirt off all the time in the show:
I don’t think she could handle this:
Jon Neu
Banned
Funny, you say those things don't matter, yet you can't stop talking about them and obviously defending the “not important” SJW fantasies being infused in every form of media.
In every thread, there's always some SJW apologist trying to frame people who are fed up with political indoctrination in every form of cultural media as “just as bad as SJW”.
I'ts always the same type of people though.
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Jon Neu
Banned
And this extreme thinking is the point, this is what the political indoctrination is trying to do with all the propaganda being shoved down people's throats in every type of medium.
Now, if you don't like obvious political indoctrination, then you are a racist, because the political indoctrination says so. If you don't like tokenism and identity politics, you're a racist, if you don't like the female ghostbusters, you're sexist.
If you don't like yet another medieval european world being forcefully “diversified” for the self masturbation of the ego of the political fantasies of some extreme leftist americans, then you are a racist.
And this is the type of people that always try to frame “both sides” as equally bad, but they are already spouting the propaganda, the “logical” way of thinking and the word of the regressive side.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Absolutely not, but well this shows has people of color when theres not a single one in the game or book because of this retarded "diversity" quota so who cares i guess.
"I want to be as faithful as possible to the books and games" "Ok, but there has to be black and LGBT representation, and a third of the male characters need to be women now" "But why?" "Because if we dont we are racist and misogynists"... Crazy world.
imsosleepy
Member
ugh please no, there are much more awesome people who would be the PERFECT fit for this role
I just watched the first 15 minutes and I was just smiling all the way true. It was so epic to see a PERFECT geralt. omg, that voice.. so good
Fuz
Banned
Too bad everything else is a pile of crap.
Genx3
Member
There's already too much sex. I think it kind of ruins it. The sex Seems forced instead of letting the story unfold and chemistry between characters build.
Genx3
Member
Yea its too bad HBO or Starz didn't buy the rights to the Witcher. It would've been so much better.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My Geralt in Witcher 3 had plenty of chemistry with the brothel girls I paid for.
If the show can match that, we’re good.
Fuz
Banned
I think it's much worse for us.
ruvikx
Banned
If a white actor is inserted into a black role, they'll scream 'racism'. If white people complain that a black actor is given a white character role, they scream 'racism'. The one common denominator is they hate white people. End of.
I don't even debate with these people, i.e. for them, "diversity" is about replacing whites & pretending they're morally virteous for doings so. Their stance is all bullshit.
VertigoOA
Banned
My Geralt in Witcher 3 had plenty of chemistry with the brothel girls I paid for.
If the show can match that, we’re good.
That happened too.
iNvid02
Member
I’ve seen that image of the writers and casting people going around that some guy got enraged about (they were all female and had that SJW vibe 
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That explained a lot of the choices in the show regarding female characters and minority actors
While I have no issue with minority characters being part of the universe or the queen being such an over the top empowered female lead (she killed it acting wise), stuff like changing a major character like Triss to some random black girl are dumb and stand out in a wrong way as a fan of the books and games
This type of shoehorning of political agendas just stands out glaringly, detracts from the enjoyment of the show because you end up thinking about it when it shouldn’t even matter, and just serves to remind me that these SJW fuckers will never be satisfied and should be on a tight leash else they will go all out if permitted
)That explained a lot of the choices in the show regarding female characters and minority actors
While I have no issue with minority characters being part of the universe or the queen being such an over the top empowered female lead (she killed it acting wise), stuff like changing a major character like Triss to some random black girl are dumb and stand out in a wrong way as a fan of the books and games
This type of shoehorning of political agendas just stands out glaringly, detracts from the enjoyment of the show because you end up thinking about it when it shouldn’t even matter, and just serves to remind me that these SJW fuckers will never be satisfied and should be on a tight leash else they will go all out if permitted
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It's amazing how much you guys have come to embrace being the victim.
FeldMonster
Member
I just started watching the Witcher show. I have never played any of the games, so I have no pre-existing affinity or knowledge.
I found the first episode both confusing and super boring. I couldn't stand it after about 20-30 minutes. Does it get any more interesting?
I found the first episode both confusing and super boring. I couldn't stand it after about 20-30 minutes. Does it get any more interesting?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That to me is the true tragedy and why I feel sorry for people like you. When you reach that point when you are unable to watch something because you are worried about a political agenda then the leftists have won.
But here is what is crazy, many of these things have existed in movies for many many many years. It's strange that people have gotten so focused on them. You could literally make any argument that any movie/series has agenda driven to one side or the other.
For the record, I am not saying agenda driven stuff doesn't exist. Not at all. It does exist and has always existed.
My perfect example would be the movie Aliens. If that came out today it would be called nothing but Feminist/SJW propaganda.
So many of you have reached a place where you aren't happy unless you are outraged by something.
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Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
Lol, that tag!
Coflash
Member
What is this based on? You've taken a perfectly good movie with a great female protagonist and created a strawman out of thin air. And considering how few people (if anyone?) had an issue with a female lead in Alien/s, 30 years ago, it sounds like you're proving the opposite of what you're trying to suggest as things were never this blatant. You can't have it both ways.
Sigourney Weaver was also in Ghostbusters. She was excellent in that as well. It's an IP that existed in the old world and the new, yet the Ghostbusters of 2016 had a very obvious aura surrounding it. The director, actors, actresses (and so on) will even attest to it.
Pretending these are the same sort of things is embarrassing. There are very obvious agendas behind a lot of shows and video games these days. I wouldn't call The Witcher a huge offender in comparison, but I will say that given the source material, the games did a far better job of representing the world contained within the books.
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Shifty1897
Member
You are not the target audience at all, you're going to hate it. The show was made for fans of the books and games, and goes to great lengths to not explain the lore and to confuse newcomers with unexplained time skips. The only reason I knew what was going on was because I'd read the books.
Shizumapower
Member
I like the show so far.
One question- Is it so impossible to cast a true minority?
One question- Is it so impossible to cast a true minority?
ruvikx
Banned
No. Aliens empowers its male characters, even Hudson i.e. who goes on a personal hero journey of sorts from arrogant wisecracking joker to panicking "this can't be happening man!" wimp ("yeah, right man, Bishop should go. Good idea") finally to become a hero & die with honor i.e. "die motherfuckers!!!" as he blasted the hell out of the Aliens.
Netflix Witcher meanwhile takes a sexy white sorcerous with red hair & turns her into an ugly random black woman who looks like she'd be more comfortable working for US postal service. It's done on purpose. Some might choose to bury their head in the sand & ignore the insult, whilst some of us don't.
Lanrutcon
Member
Obviously not. It's done every day in this day and age. Your question is missing the point.
...better question: is it a good idea to cast a minority as an established character that isn't?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It depends. If it’s a main/essential character then it can be an issue. If Geralt had been cast by say Kal Penn then yes it would be absurd.
Changing Superman to be black is clearly ridiculous as it was changing Johnny Storm in the awful Fantastic Four reboot. In both instances Michael B Jordan (killmonger) was involved.
In the case of Witcher 3 I wasn’t bothered by it. Anna Shaffer as Triss won me over.
However it was out of place in the tribe that saved Ciri to have mixed races.
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Tumle
Member
lets hit two birds with one stone here.
I think they should cancel the show, with all these different minorities from all over the world and reshoot it as close to the material that it references. It should be an all Polish cast, all white and in the native Polish tongue.
the anti-SJW will get the all white cast that they dream off and SJW will get the minority representation.
after all, it's all about keeping the integrity of the work of art, and not about American Block politics right?
I think they should cancel the show, with all these different minorities from all over the world and reshoot it as close to the material that it references. It should be an all Polish cast, all white and in the native Polish tongue.
the anti-SJW will get the all white cast that they dream off and SJW will get the minority representation.
after all, it's all about keeping the integrity of the work of art, and not about American Block politics right?
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Lanrutcon
Member
The phrase is "feeding two birds with one stone". Quite frankly, your endorsement of animal cruelty is disgusting and has no place here. You should feel ashamed.
Also your post is a bit shit but that's neither here nor there. Stop hating animals. And ginger people.
Radical Dreamer
Member
Just give me shani with red short hair 
Show is pretty good so far, i'm at 4ep. The only thing bothering me sometimes is that cgi feels off and scenery looks cheap.
Show is pretty good so far, i'm at 4ep. The only thing bothering me sometimes is that cgi feels off and scenery looks cheap.
Denton
Member
Nah. It is great for people who played the games and did not read the books. That is a huuuuge group of people so no wonder the show is successful.
But people like me who grew up with the books are dismayed at how much they butchered the source material.
VertigoOA
Banned
Yennefer is hot. Not hottest of all time like game Yennefer but I love her regardless. Decent character too; she’s likable.
Geralt’s exchanges with Jaspier (dandelion) and Roach are great. I did laugh when they started singing the song in the bar...
Came out the same day as Star Wars yet doesn’t disappoint and meets expectations without offending you.
Of course they got me to play the game again...
It actually does fantasy. Doesn’t hide from it or make you wait. It’s just always there. I appreciate that bit of color to the show.
the meta commentary about Fans complaining about their waifus. Like, lol .... hilarious in its own way.
Geralt’s exchanges with Jaspier (dandelion) and Roach are great. I did laugh when they started singing the song in the bar...
Came out the same day as Star Wars yet doesn’t disappoint and meets expectations without offending you.
Of course they got me to play the game again...
It actually does fantasy. Doesn’t hide from it or make you wait. It’s just always there. I appreciate that bit of color to the show.
the meta commentary about Fans complaining about their waifus. Like, lol .... hilarious in its own way.
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