darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Those glasses allow him to watch only the puzzle area on screen, maybe to make a decision in which environment it fits best.
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The Witness - Release Date Trailer, coming 26th January 2016
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Those glasses allow him to watch only the puzzle area on screen, maybe to make a decision in which environment it fits best.
More_Badass
Member
I'm expecting $40, like Talos was.
toythatkills
Member
I'm mentally prepared for $40, with a 20% Plus discount.
YianGaruga
Banned
Why would there be anything on PSN?
People need to stop worrying, this isn't an AAA game with months of pre-release hype and marketing. It's a mystery game and they don't want to show you half the game before release. It says nothing about the game's quality and if you're worried you can wait for reviews.
More_Badass
Member
More likely that it's intentional. Blow seems like the kind of guy who's launch this game with little fanfare to avoid spoilers or showing too much
We got the environment trailers and the post about the voice actors. I expect more short teasers and a launch trailer in the next 9 days
And btw, the PSN page is up:
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/cid=UP2124-CUSA00498_00-THEWITNESSPARENT?emcid=ps-se-717
Thanks, guess I'll have to wait then as I prefer playing it on a portable platform and Remote Play isn't working well enough for me right now.
More_Badass
Member
The most comparable release would be The Talos Principle, the other AA puzzler. $40, a big success for Croteam
So $40 would totally work for The Witness, given the pedigree and the precedence set by Talos
Chezzymann
Member
There's been weirder situations. Ive seen games being sold for $30 on consoles and then only $5 on iOS. Hell that angry birds collection was $40 on 3DS but completley free on Android. Button tax I guess.
Personally I'm hoping its $20-30
More_Badass
Member
XCOM Enemy Within is $30 on Steam, $10 on IOS
I'd expect a similar price range for The Witness on IOS, $10 or $12
Chezzymann
Member
I wonder when the iOS market will change so that customers will value games more. It's kind of sad that developers have to do this.
More_Badass
Member
Never going to happen unfortunately. It's just not. The price range of Free to $10 is too ingrained now. And only the known PC ports ever really go as high or higher than $10. Most games are between Free and $5, with some games occasionally being $6 or $7
And I say that as someone who loves mobile games and has no qualms about dropping $10 on an iPad game
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Deleted member 22576
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On the phones/tablets? Never.
Only way I see that happening is if AppleTV gets established enough and people buy games there full price that then run on their devices by happenstance. Realistically though even that is a hard one to bite off.
Yeah. My expectation is set at $40 and I'm 100% fine with that for a gorgeous game that is many years labor of love with easily 40 hours of gameplay in it.
If it's cheaper that's great, but I doubt it.
Only way I'm not buying this day one is if the reviews & early word of mouth end up a nasty surprise. I don't think that'll happen however.
Do you or anyone else have any numbers for Talos Principle sales? Everyone keeps saying it was a success at $40, but I can't find any evidence of it.
I looked at PSN blog published top sellers, and it hasn't even charted in Top 20 neither in October (release month) nor in November.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/11/11/playstation-store-octobers-top-sellers/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/12/10/playstation-store-novembers-top-sellers-2/
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...rted-the-nathan-drake-collection-debuts-at-1/
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...-call-of-duty-fallout-4-compete-for-top-spot/
Given those charts, I doubt that they maanaged to sell a lot of copies at that price.
If there are any news about it, I will gladly accept being corrected.
YianGaruga
Banned
Almost 500k owners on Steam alone
Inlcudes sales, but still. Even then the lowest price was ~10€
http://steamspy.com/app/257510
That's how I see it as well. Wouldn't be surprised if the game releases at $40, especially after it's lengthy and delayed development. I don't see it priced above that, though. Like TTP, it will probably be part of sales quickly. I'll still get it on release day.
toythatkills
Member
Presumably it was a success on PC rather than PS4, where the game has a larger appeal.
More_Badass
Member
According to Steamspy, the game has around 475,000 owners.
And this quote from May 2015, five months after release
SmiteOfHand
Member
Just for curiosity sake, and really a lack of anything tangible to discuss for now, those who feel $40-$60 range is too high what exactly is it that makes you feel that way?
I realize these sorts of discussions can get heated quickly, and not to backseat moderate, but a general plea to try and be respectful from both sides.
I realize these sorts of discussions can get heated quickly, and not to backseat moderate, but a general plea to try and be respectful from both sides.
Thanks.
I am not really familiar with PC sales, so I cannot really tell if 500K in over a year is good or bad.
I guess it's good.
But as PS4 is my area of interest, it seems to me that a $40 pricepoint is just too high for comsole owners. So I am worried that this game might suffer the same problem if they price it the same.
(But it's just my presumption, and my own taste, as $20 is maximum I'd pay for it on PS4)
YianGaruga
Banned
Yes 500k sales for a game like this at that price is very good. I don't have PS4 numbers and it's hard to judge the success, since it came out quite a bit later. I'm assuming it make a return on whatever it cost to port.
I can totally understand if people aren't willing to pay $40 for it. But at that price it doesn't have to sell millions and it has a lot of room for sales, which will drop it to <$20 in time. I assume this is supposed to be a game that sells well over time, not one that maximizes its sales in 2 weeks.
I wish it was a game with 150 puzzles and $20 price tag instead of 600+ puzzles at (possibly) much higher price. Just more content rarely makes any game better especially when you are talking about hundreds and hundreds of puzzles. If it launches at a high price though, I'll probably just wait and when it hits a good discount, I'll pay and play as long as it manages to keep my interest, which I'm guessing won't be anywhere near 600 puzzles.
Then again, I've no idea how the final game plays. I wouldn't mind a positive surprise.
Then again, I've no idea how the final game plays. I wouldn't mind a positive surprise.
More_Badass
Member
Braid sold 55,000 in its first week. Do you think The Witness will do as good or better? It's releasing on more platforms and the game is more anticipated because of Braid's success. Plus the audience is starved for similar games in recent years, so there's likely more of a want for Myst-like games
More_Badass
Member
There's difference between content and filler. Everything that I've read and seen about the game indicates that every puzzle has a purpose, teaching you new things, building off past knowledge, unlocking new areas, etc. It's not just puzzles for the sake of puzzles.
petethepanda
Member
Is there much precedent for $40 digital games on consoles? That price point seems to be more and more accepted on Steam but it's not hard to imagine that it might not fly on consoles. (Yet, at least.)
More_Badass
Member
They're all ports of games which originally launched on PC though. There's not many digital console games which launched at $40, but that doesn't mean this game shouldn't.
toythatkills
Member
Games aren't priced based on how much content they have. It's not like Blow made 150 puzzles then went "nah, this is too cheap, let's add 400 more so we can really fleece people."
I'd be inclined to overlook figures like "600+" anyway. Watch the first ten minutes and there are already twenty puzzles that can barely be called such but will certainly be in that count. That's just marketing talk.
I can't believe it's been in development for seven years. I wonder how much it ended up costing.
More_Badass
Member
Everything he earned from Braid and more
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-02-09-jon-blow-has-gone-into-debt-to-finish-the-witness
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/06/the-witness-money/
Why? Some of the panels are obviously easier, since they introduce new ideas. The ones we have seen were also very much self contained. Later puzzle could and probably will requrie you to look around the world and bring the panel into context with something. As such, even a puzzle you could solve in five seconds counts. The number is directly from Blow, and likely counted automatically by the number of these panels.
As for the playtime, since the game does not require you to 100% complete it to see the ending, I'd guess it would take about the same time as The Talos Principle's hardest ending (
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brianmcdoogle
Member
Has there been any talk of a physical release?
More_Badass
Member
The Witness
No... Seriously....
Is it like Ethan Carter?
Exploration? A story? Puzzles?
What's the premise
toythatkills
Member
I'm not saying they're not important, but the number is meaningless. The very first thing you do is solve a panel that looks something like this:
It's important in that it teaches the most basic mechanic, but it's also not a puzzle. It will, however, be included in the puzzle count. I'm just saying that "600+" isn't necessarily an indication of how many real puzzles there are.
Mad Season
Banned
bout time
John Kowalski
Banned
you are in an island and there are puzzles
More_Badass
Member
Was just messing with you.
It's a Myst-inspired puzzler. You're alone on a sprawling island filled with puzzles and secrets. Explore the island, solve the puzzles. The puzzles become increasingly expansive, requiring knowledge of the environment itself or knowledge learned from elsewhere on the island
The Illiterati
Member
The game will be free to play, with each puzzle costing a dollar. Witness the end of the free to play market.