Sho_Nuff82
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The worst possible examples of a Mary Sue character
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ChocolateCupcakes
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Bella from Twilight and Anne or whatever from 50 Shades of Grey.
ChiTownBuffalo
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To be fair. Milla is his wife. She fellates him. He has no need to fellate himself.
Also,
At first it felt like they were building her up to break her down and go an Amon was right all along route, but nope, and that ending? Come on!
Uh... no? Korra had a ton of flaws (both character & ability wise) and wasn't really one dimensional in the slightest. Did you forget how she got her assed handed to her on a silver platter when she went to challenge on a 1 v 1 fight in the earlier episodes? Even towards the end the 1st season, she ends up losing her bending to him. She only wins because of some much needed Deus ex Machina, but that doesn't mean she's a sue. I'd argue that Mako is more of a mary sue (he isn't.)
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Shikamaru from Naruto.
For a guy who is insisting on seeing things for what they are, you keep projecting things onto me and my arguments, even after I explained how those projections were wrong. I am not defending the books because I like them, but because it is a matter of inaccuracy. I don't care if you think Rothfuss' books are worse than twilight, but Kvothe isn't a mary sue by any definition, nor do I think you know Pat Rothfuss enough to say that he is a self insert (if anything, his blogs indicate otherwise). And already refuted the argument about prodigies are not good at several things and explained thoroughly Kvothe himself isn't good at everything either.
But whatever. Somehow, I'm sure the words in this post will rearrange themselves in your mind of me making a defense of Rothfuss' books as the greatest things ever, untouchable by criticism
The Technomancer
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Wasn't there something in the second book that young Kvothe tried and really failed at? I can't remember now but I thought it was cool at the time.
I believe that was the Yll language. Apparently, it's ridiculously complex and he couldn't make heads or tails of it. So there you go, an entire society of people, the ones who had a writing system before anyone else, that are too smart for Kvothe.
WanderingWind
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Getting awfully heated, bud. We disagree, clearly. I'm not really down for a round of "insult one another until somebody gets banned" today. I think I've proven my point, though.
This leads itself back to the whole justification issue and why Korra can be considered a real mary sue.
It's not that she doesn't have flaws. She does, but despite that, she is complimented by the characters as being a 'great avatar'. Only Lin didn't like her at first, but that was established later because she was projecting her anger from Tenzin's break up with her.
And she only succeeded due to outside forces or dues ex machina, yet is still treated as if she earned those distinctions.
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No, Wesley is pretty much the poster child of what a Mary Sue is. Flawless character who is the only one who can save the day.
Indrid Cold1
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Reading a description of the Kvothe character's many talents and looking at the picture on the authors wiki page is pretty damning.
No, she can be a nag and gets called out when she's being annoying about it. And while she's touted as being incredibly smart it's partly due to memorization rather than natural magical ability. Harry is better than her at some spells, mainly defensive, even though he doesn't study nearly as much.
I see you as either ignoring or misconstruing me the arguments I've laid out, which always annoys me when I'm in a debate, but I shouldn't have gotten angry. Sorry about that. Internet, srs bsns, all that. Yes we disagree and I don't think you have an accurate view of the writing in the books, but we're clearly not going to get through to one another and I would rather depart on good terms. So apologies for any insult.
I'm not seeing it...
WanderingWind
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No worries, but yeah, we're clearly not getting through to one another if you think I misconstrued anything you said. Just another internet disagreement. My apologies if I insulted you along the way.
Are you talking about the one with Leon and Claire? I actually enjoyed that one more than all the garbage that have come out in thetres
Black_Stride
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Messofanego
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People need to stop using TV Tropes as a bible of criticism, yeah great you can point out cliches, you're so intelligent!
Yeah that one. I guess some people like it but I couldn't find anything good about it.
The Live Action ones are trash, which makes it somewhat enjoyable, but the CGI movie was just... boring.
Sho_Nuff82
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During the course of the show, lots of people don't like the Avatar (including Toph's daughter for a long while), half of Republic City doesn't trust her, most of her plans backfire horribly, she's riddled with self doubt, and she gets beaten cleanly on multiple occasions by the big bad and lesser bad guys as well.
Almost the entire show is a build up of how much of a failure she is compared to the previous Avatar, Aang. And it's only through his guidance that she manages to fix everything in the end. She doesn't fit the description at all.
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Wesley Crusher contributed to the death of an academy classmate by agreeing to perform a dangerous and banned flying maneuver with his squad. He didn't cry, and he seemed quite able to resume his Starfleet career afterward.
Also, wouldn't the vast majority of superheroes be Mary Sues?
Also, should the title of the thread be asking for the best examples, not the worst?
Also, wouldn't the vast majority of superheroes be Mary Sues?
Also, should the title of the thread be asking for the best examples, not the worst?
....for reasons unrelated to her
Actually, no one said that. In fact, when the Tarrlok started oppressing the city, Korra was the first one the nonbenders turned to, with them saying "Your our avatar too"
I never said it doesn't, but those flaws don't really matter in the end because she never learns or grows from them, yet it still acknowledged as a great avatar. Flaws have to affect the story to matter. Korra's really don't. Bella Swan has the flaw of being very clumsy too, but it never affects the story negatively for her.
*pfft* Guidance? She got sad and that somehow unlocked her spirituality, which is btw not how spirituality works according to either to the show canon or how spirituality works in real life according to hindu/buddhist beliefs. Aang just related a story to tell her who Tarrlok's dad is and then told her that she unlocked spirituality through sadness.
The Take Out Bandit
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The Mary Sue-de Bro insertion character for the Call of Duty / MMA / Red Bull generation.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Outsider moves to a new town, and is super moody and weird, but everyone at school likes her, and finds her incredibly interesting. She catches the eye of the good-looking, mysterious guy and gets to know him... and you know how it goes from there.
The author clearly had some issues she needed to get through.
WrenchNinja
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Breaks the heart of a friend, friend is totally cool about it
Steals boyfriend, friend isn't angry about it
told to be patient and and act like an airbender to break her hothead streak, fights like a firebender to airbend
Is able to bend even with bending taken away
Is rewarded the power of a god after crying a little bit.
You say Dagny without mentioning John Galt?
Harry would wreck Hermione in a straight up fight. Both are vastly superior to Ron though. I have no idea why Ron was even in the story.
This one isn't really fair because Bolin was certainly not cool about it. He just got over it....suspiciously fast, but they did justify why Bolin and Korra were cool with each other after the whole thing.
Also justified. You can't help who you like and Korra, outside of that one kiss which she apologized for, didn't initiate anything. Asami recognized that and that's one of the reasons she's awesome. Mako is the one who was acting wrong in the relationship by stringing her along. The more mary sueish quality here is that Mako likes Korra for no reason.
Glad i wasn't the only one thinking it
Also,
At first it felt like they were building her up to break her down and go an Amon was right all along route, but nope, and that ending? Come on!
Alot of you guys seem to forget the show AT FIRST wasn't meant to be more then one season...... thats why it went like that.
WrenchNinja
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Yeah, Bolin's quick "I'm fine with this" reaction just seems weird. I don't know, maybe the reasonable teenaged girl wouldn't have any resentment toward the girl doing the stealing, I can't say I understand the teenaged girl's mind. Totally forgot about Mako, his line about her being the most "loyal and honest" girl he's ever met or whatever is just eyerollingly bad.
arts&crafts
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Anna Paquin, True Blood. I feel like she is always whining or complaining or doing something stupid.
WrenchNinja
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The fact that it was meant to originally be one season makes her character look all the more worse. It's good that there'll be more, maybe now she can actually grow as a character instead of learning absolutely nothing.
But was he the lead character and how many times did he save the day? 5 out of 100+ eps? Using that math La Forge should be a certified creeper.
Asami's just rational. She realized Korra wasn't doing anything to upset her relationship, that it was just mako, so there is no reason to blame her. Like I said, one of the reasons that Asami is the best character in Korra.
And his exact line was "You are the most loyal, brave, and selfless person I've ever met."
Brave is arguably true, though I'd say it was more recklessness than anything else. But she is the most loyal and selfless person he's ever met? Why? What has Korra ever done to sacrifice herself for or remained loyal under duress? And that's an especially ridiculous thing to say when Asami is the one who gave up a wealthly lifestyle and is fighting against her father, whom she deeply loves, for the sake of doing the right thing.
That's her character in the books, except you get Sookie's running commentary to enhance it.
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In recent literature: Parangosky in Halo: Glasslands. We get Karen Traviss as as new author to the series and what happens? She introduces a character of hers completely new to the entire franchise, and throughout the course of the book pretty much demonizes Catherine Halsey, who was basically the resident scientist and "mother" to the Spartans (of whom there aren't very much left, the most noteworthy being Master Chief), and by the end of the book pretty much everyone is on Parangosky's side. What the hell, Traviss?
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Ah, I haven't read the books, just watched the show. I don't blame them for using the source material, I just wish she wasn't so annoying
She ruins every franchise I see her touch. The story she wrote for Gears 3 was worse than anything the series have given thus far. People make fun of Dom's desperate search for his wife, but Cole's vietnam football flashbacks were the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've ever seen
The show is better because they take the focus off of her. She really is a terrible character. But then again 9/10 paranormal romance and urban fantasy female leads are.Ah, I haven't read the books, just watched the show. I don't blame them for using the source material, I just wish she wasn't so annoying
That's cause they're the exact same character
Kurt from Glee. Who Ryan Murphy only wishes he could be.
This. I'm an uber awesome mage with a elf wife and half elf child and a dragon friend who can travel though time to the most critical events in WOW history so I can shape those event behind the scene. But enough the world, let talk about me.
Okay, I only read the one book where Rohan travels back in time to help Malfurion and Illiadan, but Rhonin/Knaak was enough to put me off from reading any of the other WOW novels. I wanted to read bout the fall of the High elves, not the authors Mary Sue. I only finish the book due to being trapped on an 11 hour flight.
Did a happy dance when I heard Rhonin may have bought it for the open event to Pandaria.
Hakar
This. So this.
It didn't bother me as much in Ender's Game, since he's developing the whole way through there and it has some justifiable conflict, but when the conscious personification of the internet fell madly in love with him apropos of nothing between Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, I knew something had gone horribly wrong.
Ender is perfect at everything and everyone loves him always all the time. Fuck Ender.
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Damn, that explains why Twilight was popular.
Teenage girls that are craving attention and wanting to get fucked but can't love how Twilight is their perfect fantasy.
This fucking one. This right here. A plethora of characters to choose from for a Resident Evil movie and we get Paul WS Anderson's self fellating shitfest that is Alice. When she's not ninja kicking dogs in slow motion, she's crashing through windows on motorcycles and killing zombies by breaking their necks with her thighs.
I mean jesus, the movies might have been salvageable if not for her.
She plays the exact same character in Ultraviolet too. Matter of fact, take out the dystopian angle and replace henchmen with zombies and Ultraviolet is a Resident Evil movie.
Katniss from the Hunger Games film. I'm not really sure how it plays out in the book, but the movie went out of its way to conveniently keep her morality squeaky-clean.
Creepy blond girl? Self defense? Rue? Well, she doesn't have to face the difficult decision of killing her, because someone else does it for her; plus, she gets a free morally acceptable kill. Smart girl in the background who some of us was rooting for? Accidentally (lol) killed herself by eating some poisonous berries. Cato? Self-defense AND a mercy kill; how kind of her! Peeta? Naw, let's conveniently bend the rules this year so they don't have to kill each other. The movie was so good at building up the tension in the first half only to ruin that with this bullshit in the second.
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Wesley Crusher is kind of ridiculous even for a Mary Sue since he tends to draw praise and admiration from many of the higher ups, even Picard himself. Even in Twilight everyone is perfect and there isn't such a contrast.
Also, I just learned that taking the Leadership feat in D&D turns your character into a Mary Sue. >_>
Also, I just learned that taking the Leadership feat in D&D turns your character into a Mary Sue. >_>
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