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Theological Argument: Loki wrote the Bible and Qu'Ran

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This is the evidence I've compiled that Loki was behind the Bible and Qu'ran-- that he completely fabricated the Abrahamic God.

Evidence is as follows:

1. Loki invented God to lure people away from following the true father, Odin. To weaken him.

Evidence: Hardly anybody worships Odin now, and it's because of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These religions have very easy means of ensuring yourself eternal life in heaven, making them preposterously attractive to all kinds of people, including people with egocentric/sociopathic mindsets who wouldn't normally consider themselves as worthy of a god's favor. Thus Abrahamic religions are just as they would be if they were designed in a too-good-to-be-true fashion by a trickster.

2. Loki is a god of mischief and likes to trick people into fighting each other.

Evidence: the devotees of the Abrahamic religions he invented are currently at war with each other, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Followers also routinely persecute women and minorities.

3. Loki likes to antagonize humans, so he invented a God who supposedly cares for people to give them false hope and make them despair when God doesn't come to save them.

Evidence: Humans have no divine protection from disasters, disease, famine, you name it.

4. Loki can easily trick humans.

Evidence (thanks Mgoblue201): Humans easily trick each other with things like emails from fake Nigerian princes, Ponzi schemes, and Republican populism. Only a minority percentage would have any hope of seeing through a scheme created by a god, and would be marginalized by the believer society.

Have you observed anything else that fits with this hypothesis?
 
This is right up there with the Illuminati/music industry/devil conspiracy theory. I don't know jack shit about Odin or Loki though so I can't really poke any real holes in the theory though.
 
i DO love though that followers of current religions do not realize they are falling into the same traps as the old generations

one day christianity etc will fade and be replaced by something new just like all the old world pantheons were thousands of years old traditions and are now no more
 
I've observed that both the Bible and the Qu'ran predate Loki several centuries to about a millennium. Might as well say that God/Allah invented Norse mythology to test the faith of the European peoples.
 
SolKane said:
I've observed that both the Bible and the Qu'ran predate Loki several centuries to about a millennium.
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There is no evidence for this, exactly. What you're talking about only proves that the revelation of the Norse gods to humanity came later than Loki's invention of the Abrahamic religion. It is not evidence that Loki was "born" after Jesus.
 
SolKane said:
I've observed that both the Bible and the Qu'ran predate Loki several centuries to about a millennium. Might as well say that God/Allah invented Norse mythology to test the faith of the European peoples.
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Do you have a source for this? I've never seen anyone pinpoint the origin of the Norse pantheon.
 
Sounds like something Loki would do. But to be fair Loki does a ton of shit. I like how the entire Norse pantheon is like a Simpsons episode though, everyone can die in one story and then in the next parable we're back at status quo.
 
No. I went back in time from my alternate utopian timeline to shake things up, wrote these shitty books and convinced the stupid ancestors that they're true.
 
Matthew Gallant said:
There is no evidence for this, exactly. What you're talking about only proves that the revelation of the Norse gods to humanity came later than Loki's invention of the Abrahamic religion. It is not evidence that Loki was "born" after Jesus.
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It's the same kind of evidence to suggest that Jesus Christ invented Norse mythology to test the faith of Christian peoples as you have in the OP, to suggest the counter supposition.
 
archnemesis said:
Do you have a source for this? I've never seen anyone pinpoint the origin of the Norse pantheon.
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I've read some books on it, and essentially the earliest traces of it has fewer gods that then split into aspects of their personality. The basis is indo-european though, a cow creating the world and such.
 
Richard Dawkins secretly creates a time machine and invents God so that he has something to dislike during retirement.
 
archnemesis said:
Do you have a source for this? I've never seen anyone pinpoint the origin of the Norse pantheon.
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I only pulled a figure quickly from Wikipedia, which claims Loki's first attestation is the Poetic Edda, approximately 13th century. Remember this is specifically about Loki, not the "Norse pantheon" whose origins are no doubt very complex and deep-rooted in Indo-European culture.
 
SolKane said:
I only pulled a figure quickly from Wikipedia, which claims Loki's first attestation is the Poetic Edda, approximately 13th century. Remember this is specifically about Loki, not the "Norse pantheon" whose origins are no doubt very complex and deep-rooted in Indo-European culture.
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Wikipedia also have 2,300–500 BCE as the beginning of Norse religion. The lack of good sources makes it very difficult to know exactly when a certain deity gained popularity. Before the Poetic Edda there was a long oral tradition.
 
SolKane said:
It's the same kind of evidence to suggest that Jesus Christ invented Norse mythology to test the faith of Christian peoples as you have in the OP, to suggest the counter supposition.
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Nah, that's no evidence at all. First, the Bible said that Jesus wanted to lead people to him, not away from him. Second, Jesus didn't exist because he was made up by Loki so there was no way for Jesus to make something up.
 
archnemesis said:
Wikipedia also have 2,300–500 BCE as the beginning of Norse religion. The lack of good sources makes it very difficult to know exactly when a certain deity gained popularity.
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I don't dispute that, but you'll run into that issue when it comes to any ancient culture (and 2,300 - 500 BCE is a span of 1800 years), so why be pedantic only in this instance and not about Abrahamic culture?
 
SolKane said:
I only pulled a figure quickly from Wikipedia, which claims Loki's first attestation is the Poetic Edda, approximately 13th century. Remember this is specifically about Loki, not the "Norse pantheon" whose origins are no doubt very complex and deep-rooted in Indo-European culture.
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The date of the earliest surviving manuscript is not the same as when the myth was created.

Most norse areas had already been christianized (at least in theory, in practice the norse relgion continued on for a few hundred years) by the time the eddas were written down.
 
Kinyou said:
But didn't all the northern gods die during Ragnarök?
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Ragnarok is a prophecy. Or perhaps it is part of a cycle-- regardless, the current existence of Loki is not integral to the argument. He could be dead, or not.
 
iamblades said:
The date of the earliest surviving manuscript is not the same as when the myth was created.

Most norse areas had already been christianized (at least in theory, in practice the norse relgion continued on for a few hundred years) by the time the eddas were written down.
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I never said it was the origin of the myth, I was talking about the first written reference to Loki; you are making an incorrect inference. No one would ever confuse a written instantiation of something (i.e. history) as etiology.
 
It's a good story. I like theology as far as the stories go. It would definitely be something worth reading.
 
Matthew Gallant said:
Nah, that's no evidence at all. First, the Bible said that Jesus wanted to lead people to him, not away from him. Second, Jesus didn't exist because he was made up by Loki so there was no way for Jesus to make something up.
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But Jesus gave people a choice to follow him: "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." This supports the hypothesis that Jesus would give a choice to people to follow or not, and that he created other gods, like Loki, to "test their faith." And why would Loki create a religion that offered the choice of denial?
 
SolKane said:
And why would Loki create a religion that offered the choice of denial?
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Pantheistic gods are not the same as monotheistic ones. They're not infallible.

Besides, he's a trickster. He doesn't enslave, he lures and tricks.
 
SolKane said:
why would Loki create a religion that offered the choice of denial?
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It was a more devious trick than creating a religion that would force you to follow. It's kind of like saying, why would Loki put thatch over a pit and have Thor walk in when he could just push Thor into a pit?
 
I think someone needs to create a bunch of Chick-style tracts that support the fundamentalist Norse point of view.

Norse father and son walking past Christian church:

"What are those people doing, Father?"
"Praying to their trickster god, son."
"Trickster god!?"
 
zsidane said:
Excuse my ignorance, but who's Loki ?
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