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Thermal Science Scientist: Miami will be flooded and nothing can be done about it
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Did you misquote someone? I'm not really sure what this has to do with what I said.
By 2100? The 1 meter rise is going to be about accurate (+/- .5 meters), based on our current emissions by most of those who studied the topic. I can link to resources if you'd like. Even if we reduced emissions greatly, the majority of that would still happen. It's just future (ie past 2100) sea level rise will be lesser or greater depending on our actions today.
It still doesn't change my point that the guy who was part of the Q&A section was using some serious hyperbole. It's something that people need to be careful of, especially on an issue like climate change.
Exactly.
It's going to take international cooperation, strong federal leadership around the entire world, and a partnership with State and local governments within those nations to deal with the short and long term problems. It's expensive, it's messy, and no matter how it's addressed millions, possibly billions, will be impacted around the world.
Our nation just pulled out of a voluntary agreement and Florida's governor is Rick Scott. I wish there was a short term solution, but you need leadership that agrees there even a problem and we haven't got there yet. What about Manhattan, or Puerto Rico, or coastal areas of CA, parts of HI, the Gulf states outside of FL, etc. I really do try not to think about it too much because it's overwhelming, but I don't think the States are going to react to this in enough time.
IrishNinja
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oh yeah, Andrew absolutely proved we have to get wrecked before stepping things up...our codes here now are, for the most part, better than a lot of places as a result though
yeah, here on the 17th floor it's something, haha - still, my dream is to move up with civil service & own a house down south (inland) so it'd be grand if we saw more process than just the beach's mayor tweeting
Abstrusity
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That'll force the much larger populations t hat are majority blue to diffuse into the smaller populations that are majority red, creating a majority blue state district wise, too.
Ether_Snake
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We're going to build a wall. We're going to build a wall, a really great wall, all around the shores of Miami, to block the water, if it happens. If!, it happens. Ok? Because we really don't know, we just don't know. Some say it will happen, this thing, but we don't know, some say it won't happen! But if it does we will build a wall, before it happens. It will be so great, it might become a tourist attraction, I think it could be, why not? Maybe we could have some rides going in the water on one side, on the side where the water is higher. And like the wall along Mexico we could have solar panels on top, it pays itself! That's an idea I had, not bad uh? I think it could be great. We might be able to see it from space! Like the wall they have in China! We can have our own walls folks, we can. China has had a wall for a long time and nobody is complaining, but when we build one they say it's bad, don't do it, it's so bad, please don't build this wall. But we will folks, we will, in fact we already started, it's way ahead of schedule, and if it wasn't for the whiny fake media that try to give it a bad reputation I think it would be even more ahead of schedule. But it's great, it's going to be a great wall, no more drugs getting in folks, no more drugs.
IrishNinja
Member
lololol goodbye 20 million + people, thanks for the lulz /trash
AliasGreed
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He's right Miami will be lost. According to local scientists the rock underneath Miami is a type of pourus limestone that absorbs water as a sponge instead of rock like in the Netherlands that works as a underground barrier. It doesn't matter how many seawalls Miami builds the water will come from underneath the ground.
Source? A scientific paper, preferably.
The difference is that Florida is made of porous limestone. Even if you build a dike, water can seep up from the ground.
Hey! West Palm Beach is a nice city. Well, downtown is nice.
IrishNinja
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AliasGreed
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I was coincidentally reading about Miami and its sea level problems before this thread popped up, and here's a lengthy article about how that 3ft rise can cause a host of other problems that isn't just how much of Miami will be underwater by then.
Issues like freshwater, high tides, storms, the beaches (which is a heavy source of income via tourism), and so on.
The NOAA map shows how much land will be lost to the sea, but it doesn't show how much land will continue to suffer from frequent flooding.
I was born and raised there. Doesn't mean it's not a shithole.
The answer is obvious. Build a Jetsons-esque sky city with the high rises as a foundation.
Yes.
For a claim as serious as Miami "being underwater", I'll need strong evidence for (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all that). I don't doubt submergence (geologic activity sinking land) is pretty common in the South East, which is what's happening in New Orleans, for example, but I don't know if that's the case in Miami.
I don't doubt any of that. The problems with climate change go beyond just high sea levels. Increased salinity, ocean acidification, more dangerous storms, more extreme weather, and more. I was specifically talking about Miami "being underwater", which is not something we could expect to happen for at least a few centuries, even with the worst case global warming scenario.
Dubbedinenglish
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Can't, bedrock isn't suitable.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
This.
Miami, and lots of other places in Florida, is simply fucked because of it's geography and anatomy.
People vastly underestimate just how vital the government is for the R&D, building out the regulatory environment, and pushing final consumer production to the world.
If they don't do it someone (China) will, and the companies will go there to get in on the pie.
Our government and capital markets are much more connected than the bootstraps libertarians would like you to believe. Don't misconstrue their anti tax rhetoric for how essential government is for pushing new industry.
IrishNinja
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oh okay so that was supposed to be a slightly educated shitpost then, neat
I mean at least some of y'all are self aware
Chaos2Frozen
Member
WOW. That's how shitty they expected this administration would go. To sabotage other countries trying to save the world.
Gnomepowered
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It also doesn't really matter because, forgetting freshwater displacement, as sea level rises it will just rise through the bedrock. It's why dikes and levies can't save Florida in the end
It won't help. Miami is on top of porous limestone. So even if you build sea walls, water will still rise from below. There's no saving it.
Edit: Ah, already mentioned earlier.
Guess who didn't vote for Trump? The actual cities in Florida like Miami, FTL, WPB, Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville & Tallahassee . Totals were 4,605,515 DT to 4,485,745 H.R.C. --- Meanwhile, Johnson got 206,007 votes X(
AliasGreed
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I've never understood comments like this. What the hell is wrong with Miami. It's expensive as hell yes, but it has every form of entertainment, food, and shit to do for fun that you would want as a human being.
When people post shit comments like this it makes no sense.
TheCochese
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Guess who didn't vote for Trump? The actual cities in Florida like Miami, FTL, WPB, Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville & Tallahassee . Totals were 4,605,515 DT to 4,485,745 H.R.C. --- Meanwhile, Johnson got 206,007 votes X(
And when it comes down to it, an effort will be made to save the cities. Not the "unimportant" parts.
ape2man
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Yes, new plans have already made with a initial budget of 20 billion for the coming 30 years and maybe another 70 billion until 2100. Its called deltaplan 2 and deltaplan 3.
This was the result of deltaplan 1, http://www.deltawerken.com/Deltaworks/23.html The deltaworks
Influence of the internet I guess. I've lived here for over 20 years and still find it amazing.
WaterAstro
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What Florida needs is for Bugs Bunny to saw the State loose so it'll float on the water instead of sinking.
ChronotriggerJM
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They need to stop saying 2100 for starters. Way out of the empathy range for most to care I'd imagine. This country is notoriously optimistic, and believes it'll all be fixed by then.
As someone living in Tampa (west coast of Florida), I am not incredibly appreciative of the post condemning Florida. I am a New Yorker by birth, and was embarrassed that this clown from my home state was elected and Florida went along with him. Hillsborough County went Blue, and we despise the guy. We also despise Rick Scott (current governor), so basically telling all of us to get fucked is pretty foul. As much as I shake my head at the South (Louisiana, North Carolina, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, etc), I won't condemn the people trying to make a difference. I doubt Miami can be saved without some massive shifts in local and state government, and I don't see that happening anytime soon. I just pray the effects will be mitigated, and people of lower socioeconomic circumstances can be protected as they will be the most vulnerable.
Jacksonville continues to be trash.Guess who didn't vote for Trump? The actual cities in Florida like Miami, FTL, WPB, Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville & Tallahassee . Totals were 4,605,515 DT to 4,485,745 H.R.C. --- Meanwhile, Johnson got 206,007 votes X(
IrishNinja
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thank you for both of these posts
much better than this one
I agree with you 100% but I will agree it's crazy just how many high rises are going up at this very moment if not for the traffic alone. I work at the port of Miami and drive thru downtown every day and there are at least 6 high rises going up concurrently within blocks of each other. But again I'm more concerned with the traffic situation.
Cow Mengde
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And they'll make the ocean pay for it!
AntiFacebook
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Good riddance
IrishNinja
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i mean, millions of people stay moving in here, so it's not surprising. again, we've not even had a particularly active hurricane season since like '05 - we're gonna have to see more than the usual beach flooding to change any of that, sadly
another garbage post, really wish these were at least soft bannable
see now this post is fair
Ew. South Beach is what you wanna save of Miami?
The Netherlands doesn't have a rocky soil. It's a swamp. Peat may absorb water better than limestone, but yeah just building a dike is not enough. You need desalination, ground water control, lots of sand and other measures. The town of Gouda (from the cheese) is sinking into the ground at such a rate that they started building roads on Styrofoam. Miami will have to take similar measures. The problem of course is
It requires serious tax money and I can see constituents looking away until it's too late and then still vote Republican because they act the most indignant over the situation (water) that arose.
In the Netherlands they're slowly talking about flooding parts of populated environments too to combat the rising tide. But it will only be lowly populated areas. The cities are too rich to fail. It appears to me that Miami is waaaaaay too rich to fail.
That said. The Katrina disaster could have easily been averted too if the government invested in a proper water management system. But taxes.
Time to Bioshock Miami