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From the LA Times- http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-voters-trump-20170804-story.html

More than two dozen voters gathered in Phoenix this week delivered a bipartisan broadside against President Trump, Republicans and Democrats, dismissing the political class as serving its wealthy benefactors and abandoning everyday Americans.

Their fiercest disappointment was aimed at Trump.

Arizona has been something of a desert mirage for Democrats in recent years; Hillary Clinton made a late stab at the state before November’s presidential election, but Trump won easily.

Eight months later, however, even many of his supporters have thrown up their hands at his presidency.

“I loved him because he was different. I thought that he was really going to do a lot of change, good changes,” said one Republican woman. “I hated Obama, so I was ready for a change.”

Now, she said, “people are laughing at us.”

“Before I felt like he could do it all, and now I think just if somebody can control him a little bit.”

She said she will not vote for Trump again unless he fulfills his campaign promises — specifically his pledge to provide better healthcare at a cheaper price. She noted that he had ultimately supported GOP healthcare plans that did “the opposite.”

The questions largely revolved around views of Trump and Republican efforts to pass healthcare and tax reform measures. Yet in the process, participants voiced strikingly little support for Democrats nor any enthusiasm about using their vote to cast out Republicans next year.

“Democrats are doing something badly wrong,” said one Democratic-leaning voter, saying the party “should have done a better job” last year. “Democrats are flailing.”

“I think the government is totally corrupt,” said an independent voter who leaned toward Democrats in elections but disparaged both sides.

Jefrey Pollock, a Priorities pollster who conducted the focus groups, acknowledged that “it’s not all roses for the Democrats.”

“The Democrats still have to put forward an economic vision that is persuasive,” he said. The 2018 election “isn’t just all about being anti-Trump. It’s not.”

Although Republicans control both houses of Congress and the White House, he said, infighting between the parties and the absence of any successful and popular legislation has tarnished both sides.

Among Republicans in Arizona, Trump seemed to have morphed from outsider candidate to just another politician, a dangerous transition at a time when anyone involved in politics is looked upon with disdain.

Asked whether Trump sided with regular people or big corporations, nine of 10 in the Republican group said he sided with corporations. All 10 said Republicans in Congress sided with corporations. Two said Democrats sided with ordinary people. Sentiments were not dramatically different in other groups.

“They’re all the same; they’re all puppets,” said one Trump voter.

“What about the rest of us?” she asked.

Still, several in the Republican-leaning group held out hope that Trump would find a way to right his presidency, although they suggested he has mere months to do so.

Asked what the president would have to do to gain her vote in 2020, one independent replied, “I think he needs to become more humble.”

“Trump made a lot of promises to address those issues. He’s now president…. He’s now responsible for fulfilling those promises.”

In all three groups, voters seemed less angry than disgusted. Rather than make America great again, several suggested, Trump has ushered in decline.

“We’ve lost our way as people,” one independent voter said. “The government itself and the elected officials are fattening their pockets off our backs.”

Blame both sides, blame one side, blame a little bit of Trump, who knows at this points. Ctrl-F only found one mention of Obama in the article so that was surprising.

Be more humble if old.

 

[Volimar]

That Arizona sun baked their brains.

 

[Makonero]

A lot of these people are unreachable. But healthcare does seem like a wedge issue. Better and cheaper...sounds like single payer to me.

 

[Slayven]

My first thought any time Arizona is brought up is they refused to recognize MLK jr until the 90s

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Ancient African-American proverb.png

 

[Master Yoshi]

I love how these fucks hated a president with as much dignity and class as Obama, but they won't say they hate Trump.

"Oh, I just wish he'd stop with Twitter."
"I just wish he'd get rid of Obamacare."
"I just wish he'd stop watching the news and run the country..."
"I just wish he didn't golf as much..."

 

[Turbo Killer]

Be more humble, lololololololololololololololololollololololololololollolol.

 

[cameron]

Among Republicans in Arizona, Trump seemed to have morphed from outsider candidate to just another politician, a dangerous transition at a time when anyone involved in politics is looked upon with disdain.

Asked whether Trump sided with regular people or big corporations, nine of 10 in the Republican group said he sided with corporations. All 10 said Republicans in Congress sided with corporations. Two said Democrats sided with ordinary people. Sentiments were not dramatically different in other groups.

“They’re all the same; they’re all puppets,” said one Trump voter.

"Trump tricked us! How could we have possibly known?!"

 

[JCX]

I am trying to figure out how these voters thought a Republican president with a Republican congress would make healthcare spending cheaper for them. All they wanna do is cut spending!

 

[Strike]

They deserve to be laughed at. At least with some of them it seems that they're slowly realizing that they might've been had. That's more than you can say for the majority of his base which is basically a cult.

 

[facetheslayer92]

"I hated Obama."

Ok, not racist lady.

 

[Conciliator]

so they just drop Trump in the "swamp" class he was supposed to drain when they're done with him.

Get a new unstable maniac willing to say anything for attention/power, call up Alex Jones and Breitbart, put him in the white house to 'drain the swamp' that's the same except in now just also includes the last guy.

repeat ad infinitum?

 

[theWB27]

"I hated Obama" said one Republican voter. I mean he was instrumental in the healthcare I don't want to get rid of....but fuck'em for improving ish.

 

[Dierce]

And don't tell me that nobody that voted for orange turd didn't do because of racism. Every single one of his supporters is racist.

 

[tearsintherain]

A lot of these people are unreachable. But healthcare does seem like a wedge issue. Better and cheaper...sounds like single payer to me.

To me it is completely baffling how a strong young democrat leader, ala Obama 2007, can't run with the ball of "democrats and republicans both are terrible at Healthcare, here is my plan of universal medicare for all. Insurance companies suck and everyone hates them, lets eliminate all that waste and have doctors and hospitals work directly with medicare like it currently does for 55 million Americans, including your retired parents. Everyone gets basic healthcare, here is how we pay for it, if you want extra premium healthcare that isn't covered you are free to pay more for it yourself."

Sanders sorta does it but he is in the quagmire of being a socialist, wanting also free college and other stuff, if dems want 2020 they need a person who focuses just on universal, free healthcare that is phrased as medicare for all because everyone who HAS medicare LIKES it and they are all old and they will tell their kids that its some good shit and its too bad THEY don't have it too.

 

[diablos991]

"I hated Obama" said one Republican voter. I mean he was instrumental in the healthcare I don't want to get rid of....but fuck'em for improving ish.

I wouldn't call my cost doubling an improvement-ish.

To me it is completely baffling how a strong young democrat leader, ala Obama 2007, can't run with the ball of "democrats and republicans both are terrible at Healthcare, here is my plan of universal medicare for all. Insurance companies suck and everyone hates them, lets eliminate all that waste and have doctors and hospitals work directly with medicare like it currently does for 55 million Americans, including your retired parents. Everyone gets basic healthcare, here is how we pay for it, if you want extra premium healthcare that isn't covered you are free to pay more for it yourself."

Sanders sorta does it but he is in the quagmire of being a socialist, wanting also free college and other stuff, if dems want 2020 they need a person who focuses just on universal, free healthcare that is phrased as medicare for all because everyone who HAS medicare LIKES it and they are all old and they will tell their kids that its some good shit and its too bad THEY don't have it too.

Obama didn't push universal because he was paid off just like most candidates pushed by the DNC/GOP.

Sanders was our chance but he is negatively labeled simply because he follows his morales and doesn't bend to that sweet sweet corporate cash or private entity pressure.

 

[whytemyke]

Both sides are to blame in the way that, if you die of cancer after your doctor prescribed you mayonnaise and only mayonnaise, he's too blame as well as you are for using a microwave in college.

Like there's blame on each side, I guess, but one is way more to blame than the other.

 

[Ottaro]

I wouldn't call my cost doubling an improvement-ish.

Now imagine how much your cost would have increased without ACA slowing down its already steady rise.

 

[Imperfected]

Arizona's honestly just Florida without beaches.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Now imagine how much your cost would have increased without ACA slowing down its already steady rise.

it's best to ignore him for your own sanity

 

[snap]

Fuck all these people, especially the Democrats saying that the DNC is "flailing"

--Tucson resident

I wouldn't call my cost doubling an improvement-ish.



Obama didn't push universal because he was paid off just like most candidates pushed by the DNC/GOP.

Sanders was our chance but he is negatively labeled simply because he follows his morales and doesn't bend to that sweet sweet corporate cash or private entity pressure.

man diablos i knew you were crazy going from berine to trump but you really don't do yourself any favors

 

[Laevateinn]

Too dumb to vote.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

My first thought any time Arizona is brought up is they refused to recognize MLK jr until the 90s

we got a real good public enemy song out of it at least

 

[kirblar]

To me it is completely baffling how a strong young democrat leader, ala Obama 2007, can't run with the ball of "democrats and republicans both are terrible at Healthcare, here is my plan of universal medicare for all. Insurance companies suck and everyone hates them, lets eliminate all that waste and have doctors and hospitals work directly with medicare like it currently does for 55 million Americans, including your retired parents. Everyone gets basic healthcare, here is how we pay for it, if you want extra premium healthcare that isn't covered you are free to pay more for it yourself."

Sanders sorta does it but he is in the quagmire of being a socialist, wanting also free college and other stuff, if dems want 2020 they need a person who focuses just on universal, free healthcare that is phrased as medicare for all because everyone who HAS medicare LIKES it and they are all old and they will tell their kids that its some good shit and its too bad THEY don't have it too.

Because most working people have employer-sponsored insurance and don't want it disrupted. And I don't mean working class, I mean anyone w/ a job.

The public option was supposed to fill that role, but they didn't nuke the filibuster.

 

[uncelestial]

The good news here is that voters will be ready for change in the next elections. Trump became the establishment. Now he's part of the problem, to their thinking.

 

[rjinaz]

Now imagine how much your cost would have increased without ACA slowing down its already steady rise.

Then imagine what the premiums would be like if congress properly funded it instead of spending 7 years actively trying to kill it.

Damn Democrats though. At least Republicans want to put out nothing but shit plans!

 

[Gentleman Jack]

The good news here is that voters will be ready for change in the next elections. Trump became the establishment. Now he's part of the problem, to their thinking.

I wonder if they'll even remember to vote in 2018.

 

[Plasticine]

I think these Arizona voters are to blame.

 

[rjinaz]

I actually have high hopes for Arizona. These people sound deflated.

Without the Black man or the email witch to get their blood boiling, I'm guessing most will stay home.

 

[theWB27]

I wouldn't call my cost doubling an improvement-ish.



Obama didn't push universal because he was paid off just like most candidates pushed by the DNC/GOP.

Sanders was our chance but he is negatively labeled simply because he follows his morales and doesn't bend to that sweet sweet corporate cash or private entity pressure.

Was Sanders going to wave some magic wand that got republicans to go for universal? Or wave his other wand that won back enough seats that only got politicians that wanted this along with him that would get this through?

 

[DrROBschiz]

these morons dont even know why they hated obama

they cant separate right wing propaganda from the actual facts of his presidency. I hate that

Yes like any president Obama has successes and failures and you probably had plenty of disagreements on his policies

I know i had my fair share

But damn if im gonna be a moron and demonize that great man and how wonderfully he weathered those 8 years of abuse with distinction and respect

People who bought into extremist garbage from good ol talk radio and facebook memes can take a hike

Ugh.. probably the most disgusting thing about our culture now is that we can barely have a productive conversation amongst ourselves and those across the aisle

 

[Slayven]

we got a real good public enemy song out of it at least

This is true

 

[Alucrid]

”people are laughing at us."

wait why didn't the ridicule work during the election

 

[snap]

I think these Arizona voters are to blame.

Casting too wide of a net

Spoiler

Tucson's solidly blue and always will be, it's the one Dem stronghold in the state

 

[Verelios]

I used to feel sad but now I just laugh. And only one mention of Obama! Progress!

 

[rjinaz]

Was Sanders going to wave some magic wand that got republicans to go for universal? Or wave his other wand that won back enough seats that only got politicians that wanted this along with him that would get this through?

This is the guy that fantasizes about Republicans being the heroes by doing Universal Healthcare. He's long gone.

 

[bachikarn]

More than two dozen voters gathered in Phoenix this week delivered a bipartisan broadside against President Trump, Republicans and Democrats

 

[120v]

nothing new but i can never get over how people can be so simplistic on what goes into lawmaking. doesn't take a nobel laureate to understand you don't just "get things done" once elected

 

[Earthbound64]

You'll never believe what happens next!!!

 

[Sunster]

"I hated Obama" why? I just want to ask all republicans that say this, why? What did Obama do to you?

 

[diablos991]

Was Sanders going to wave some magic wand that got republicans to go for universal? Or wave his other wand that won back enough seats that only got politicians that wanted this along with him that would get this through?

More than likely it would have been the first step the people have taken to oppose lobbying via the executive. This would be a necessary step in the long term goal of killing the insurance industry which could then progress to universal healthcare.

This shit doesn't happen overnight but reinforcing big corporate candidates doesn't come close to starting the process. It's disappointing that Trump is siding with many of these lobbyists but he was our best shot last election.

I voted third party (not that it matters) so my candidate was nowhere near election.

You want universal health care but voted for Trump... lol

Independents are weird, eh? (I voted third party)

History teachers of the future, I wish you luck in explaining how the remedy to this problem was perceived to be Donald Trump.

Hillary was guaranteed to be in the corporate pocket. Trump was the Hail Mary since there was a chance based on his election speeches.

 

[Measley]

These people are mentally lazy. Basically they're a bunch of Republicans too dumb to realize that the GOP is the party of the rich and powerful. They've been royally screwing these people for decades, but they refuse to acknowledge that Fox News has been feeding them a steady diet of bullshit for the last 20+ years.

 

[faisal233]

I wouldn't call my cost doubling an improvement-ish.



Obama didn't push universal because he was paid off just like most candidates pushed by the DNC/GOP.

Sanders was our chance but he is negatively labeled simply because he follows his morales and doesn't bend to that sweet sweet corporate cash or private entity pressure.

You want universal health care but voted for Trump... lol

 

[adj_noun]

dismissing the political class as serving its wealthy benefactors and abandoning everyday Americans.

History teachers of the future, I wish you luck in explaining how the remedy to this problem was perceived to be Donald Trump.

 

[Angelus Errare]

”I think he needs to become more humble."

My first thought any time Arizona is brought up is they refused to recognize MLK jr until the 90s

Yup

History teachers of the future, I wish you luck in explaining how the remedy to this problem was perceived to be Donald Trump.

He's a billionaire, he didn't need anymore money, thus obviously he'd totally make it so every day Americans get a break!

 

[tuxfool]

History teachers of the future, I wish you luck in explaining how the remedy to this problem was perceived to be Donald Trump.

Eh, it can't really be explained now. Don't expect any logical or an "if-then-that" argument to be made in the future. With dispassionate removal from the immediate concerns of present day, it makes even less sense.

 

[NESpowerhouse]

"I hated Obama" why? I just want to ask all republicans that say this, why? What did Obama do to you?

Well, I can safely say that my parents hate Obama mostly because of how Obamacare really screwed up their healthcare. Essentially, they were paying an 8000 dollar deductible. That and how how they fundamentally disagree with Obama's progressive stances on big government, gun control, climate change, etc.

 

[bionic77]

Well, I can safely say that my parents hate Obama mostly because of how Obamacare really screwed up their healthcare. Essentially, they were paying an 8000 dollar deductible. That and how how they fundamentally disagree with Obama's progressive stances on big government, gun control, climate change, etc.

:lol @ progressive stance on climate control.

This nation is full of so many dumb assholes.

 

[Sunster]

Well, I can safely say that my parents hate Obama mostly because of how Obamacare really screwed up their healthcare. Essentially, they were paying an 8000 dollar deductible. That and how how they fundamentally disagree with Obama's progressive stances on big government, gun control, climate change, etc.

GOP wants an even bigger government

 

[zero_suit]

:lol @ progressive stance on climate control.

This nation is full of so many dumb assholes.

It's depressing, man.