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[Vena]

yeah, but how this is related to third-party games on NS?

Most millions sellers (about 80-90%) on 3DS and Wii U were first-party games I don't think, for example, FFXV on NS will perform better than on PS4.

WiiU yes, 3DS though? No way. The 3DS has a wide swathe of million sellers from across the industry. The 3DS has more million sellers (and will for the remainder of the gen) than all other systems combined.

The 3DS still has more third party million sellers than all the other platforms put together though. Vita has one, PS4 has zero, Wii U has zero, Xbone has zero.

WiiU has one.

 

[Herb Alpert]

isn't it a very reliable source?

 

[dracula_x]

The 3DS still has more third party million sellers than all the other platforms put together though. Vita has one, PS4 has zero, Wii U has zero, Xbone has zero.



I don't think anyone's even suggesting FFXV will be released on the Switch though. FFXV is after all a game primarily targeting the west. Regardless it's still a big blow for it to decline so much.

And how many? I only remember Yokai Watch, MH. What else?

 

[Principate]

Wit? Are you for real?

PS4 will mostly end over 8m software this year and you say it proves it is bad???

01. 3DS - 18.438.698 <49,37%
02. PSV - 5.205.609 <13,94%
03. PS4 - 5.114.598 <13,69%
04. PS3 - 4.185.655 <11,21%
05. WIU - 3.926.000 <10,51%
06. PSP - 304.545 <0,82%
07. XB1 - 117.378 <0,31%
08. 360 - 55.261 <0,15%

2014 Dec 29 - 2016 Jan 03

Compare the software sales for the year and compare the system age

 

[Oregano]

And how many? I only remember Yokai Watch, MH. What else?

Dragon Quest, Puzzle and Dragons, Monster Strike(shipped but not sold, lol).

I think that's it.

 

[dracula_x]

01. 3DS - 18.438.698 <49,37%
02. PSV - 5.205.609 <13,94%
03. PS4 - 5.114.598 <13,69%
04. PS3 - 4.185.655 <11,21%
05. WIU - 3.926.000 <10,51%
06. PSP - 304.545 <0,82%
07. XB1 - 117.378 <0,31%
08. 360 - 55.261 <0,15%

2014 Dec 29 - 2016 Jan 03

Compare the software sales for the year and compare the system age

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

 

[Guymelef]

Pretty sure niche companies look at Monster Hunter or Yo-Kai sales to find a way/platform to success...

 

[Principate]

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

It will almost certainly be marketted that way and has a handheld form factor

 

[Interface23]

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

I promise you it most likely is. There will be no new "Handheld" system for a few years if ever. Nintendo once said that the DS wasn't the successor to the GBA (3rd pillar blah blah) and we saw what happened there.

 

[VendettaRed07]

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

Well it isn't like they are going to make a "true" successor to the 3DS. So it basically is.

DS wasn't a gameboy successor but it replaced it. Same way NS will replace the 3DS.

 

[Glendemonium]

The NS (yes, I'm going to call it that) has to prove that it can compete in the market. Create the demand for their console. Right now, if you want to game on your TV you have PS4 and XONE, PC are in a different class altogether so I'm going to leave them out. NS gives you the option to play on a TV, that's freaking rad.

Right now they're starting it off on the right foot, marketing didn't focus on kids/families (right now) but the busy 20-30 somethings who still want to game but don't spend much time at home and would rather socialize while gaming, like LAN parties... the ones who can usually afford these things. Also, it doesn't look like a fisher price toy and let's be real, mainstream gamers are insecure fragile people... they want something that looks sleek and sexy. the NS looks like legit tech and not a "toy".

The Vita, while strong in it's own right just didn't get a proper push and Japanese companies supported the shit out of that thing. 3Ds dominated sales and was cheaper. I think Nintendo still has a good chunk of handheld fans so that's one strength they can rely on.

My biggest concern is third parties dropping out before the first year is over. Sure, we're getting Skyrim (the ultimate yes?) so if sales are good there might be a chance for a Fallout collection or even FO4 if it were possible... but it's wishful thinking considering how huge that game is. Every Nintendo cycle starts out strong and ends it's last few years with a trickle. Hopefully they'll break it this time.

 

[Oregano]

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

Isn't it? Lets see how they actually position it and what software is planned for it.

Pretty sure niche companies look at Monster Hunter or Yo-Kai sales to find a way/platform to success...

Even if you want to talk smaller releases the 3DS has shifted the most software by far. Something selling 300k is a niche game on 3DS but a hit on any other platform.

 

[dracula_x]

It will almost certainly be marketted that way and has a handheld form factor

Well, it's already not. NS reveal trailer for Japan was the same as for US and Europe.

 

[Interface23]

The NS (yes, I'm going to call it that) has to prove that it can compete in the market. Create the demand for their console. Right now, if you want to game on your TV you have PS4 and XONE, PC are in a different class altogether so I'm going to leave them out. NS gives you the option to play on a TV, that's freaking rad.

Right now they're starting it off on the right foot, marketing didn't focus on kids/families (right now) but the busy 20-30 somethings who still want to game but don't spend much time at home and would rather socialize while gaming, like LAN parties... the ones who can usually afford these things. Also, it doesn't look like a fisher price toy and let's be real, mainstream gamers are insecure fragile people... they want something that looks sleek and sexy. the NS looks like legit tech and not a "toy".

The Vita, while strong in it's own right just didn't get a proper push and Japanese companies supported the shit out of that thing. 3Ds dominated sales and was cheaper. I think Nintendo still has a good chunk of handheld fans so that's one strength they can rely on.

My biggest concern is third parties dropping out before the first year is over. Sure, we're getting Skyrim (the ultimate yes?) so if sales are good there might be a chance for a Fallout collection or even FO4 if it were possible... but it's wishful thinking considering how huge that game is. Every Nintendo cycle starts out strong and ends it's last few years with a trickle. Hopefully they'll break it this time.

Western 3rd Parties might leave but I'm almost positive that they are going to get all the Vita devs and they have both the 3DS teams and Wii U teams on one system now so Switch will have a ton of Japanese 1st and 3rd party games.

 

[DragonKnight]

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

Yeah dont believe that PR talk from Ninty. This thing is certainly positioned to replace bith the wii u and 3ds. Nintendo is just trying to save face shoukd the Switch not take off.

I mean just look at Bethesda's Skyrim PR spin just to "force" consumers into purchasing the soon to be released ps4/xb1 version of skyrim remastered as opposed to waiting for the Switch version.

 

[Principate]

Dragon Quest, Puzzle and Dragons, Monster Strike(shipped but not sold, lol).

I think that's it.

Keep in mind a few of those franchises have multiple, multi-million selling entries

 

[Principate]

Well, it's already not. NS reveal trailer for Japan was the same as for US and Europe.

The console part of the showcase was the smallest part. That really doesn't prove anything.

 

[Oregano]

Keep in mind a few of those franchises have multiple, multi-million selling entries

True, didn't even think to mention that.

Also it's extremely likely Monster Hunter is coming to the Switch at launch and in that trailer they showed ad-hoc multiplayer. We'll see how much of a 3DS successor it is then.

 

[Guymelef]

Also, take in count higher development cost for Switch, things like Monster Hunter 5 beings multi platform are going to happen.

 

[Interface23]

Also, take in count higher development cost for Switch, things like Monster Hunter 5 beings multi platform are going to happen.

I highly doubt MonHun5 will be multiplat. It's basically going to be Nintendo's mega hit 3rd party game in the first year or so

 

[Principate]

Also, take in count higher development cost for Switch, things like Monster Hunter 5 beings multi platform are going to happen.

It will definitely be with the 3DS, whether it will be with the PS4 will depend on capcom. MH typically does't sell much on consoles combined with the west or not but it may be worthwhile.

 

[TGO]

The 3DS still has more third party million sellers than all the other platforms put together though. Vita has one, PS4 has zero, Wii U has zero, Xbone has zero.



I don't think anyone's even suggesting FFXV will be released on the Switch though. FFXV is after all a game primarily targeting the west. Regardless it's still a big blow for it to decline so much.

What decline?

 

[Principate]

What decline?

most estimates are putting it at selling around 1 million which would half of what 13 sold. No actual decline yet of course so we'll see.

 

[Oregano]

What decline?

Well it's admittedly not a foregone conclusion but FFXV is likely going to drop at least half a million sales from FFXIII. That's somewhere from a 1/4 to a 1/3 of the FF audience disappearing in the domestic market.

 

[MacTag]

Also, take in count higher development cost for Switch, things like Monster Hunter 5 beings multi platform are going to happen.

MH5 PS4 isn't happening, Capcom already gave that system the kiss of death (announcing a Frontier port).

I agree we might see some games go multi (SMT seems like a solid bet) but MH is a game that already has a huge budget behind it and is also the sort of top 3rd party game that Nintendo's going to subsidize anyway. It doesn't necessairily need to go multi to justify the bump in asset quality.

The thing is, NS is not successor to 3DS. Even in Japan.

And DS wasn't the successor to GBA. Except it was.

 

[Oregano]

MH5 PS4 isn't happening, Capcom already gave that system the kiss of death (announcing a Frontier port).

I definitely wouldn't rule it out but it's not a certainty.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Also, take in count higher development cost for Switch,

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep using the same assets and just raise the resolution like they did on Wii U.

 

[MacTag]

I definitely wouldn't rule it out but it's not a certainty.

I think we'll see FFXV, KH3 and FFVIIr on Switch before we see MH5 on PS4. Nintendo's not letting that one out of their grasp and there's little real incentive for Capcom to bother given how the series sells off handhelds and Sony's historical mishandling of it overseas. There's just not much of a business case for it, but there's arguably strong incentives against it (Nintendo co-marketing, distribution, preferential dev status, specialty hardware bundles, etc). Then again there wasn't/isn't really a strong business case for DQXI PS4 and that still happened purely because Hori wanted it so who knows.

 

[Oregano]

I think we'll see FFXV, KH3 and FFVIIr on Switch before we see MH5 on PS4. Nintendo's not letting that one out of their grasp and there's little real incentive for Capcom to bother given how the series sells off handhelds and Sony's historical mishandling of it overseas. There's just not much of a business case for it, but there's arguably strong incentives against it (Nintendo co-marketing, distribution, preferential dev status, specialty hardware bundles, etc). Then again there wasn't/isn't really a strong business case for DQXI PS4 and that still happened purely because Hori wanted it so who knows.

It all depends, they might buy into the western dream. Overall Sony has done an amazing job securing third party support for their systems. You know they're good when they've somehow convinced Square Enix Fortune Street should be on Vita/PS4 rather than 3DS.

 

[silva1991]

I highly doubt MonHun5 will be multiplat. It's basically going to be Nintendo's mega hit 3rd party game in the first year or so

If it costs more, doesn't look like an early PS2 game and won't need massive controls tweaking fro other ports(since 3DS bad controls are no more with the Switch) i think it will unless Nintendo pays for it.

It's not like Japanese devs will have to redo the games like Level 5 did with Ni No Kuni for other consoles since the Switch is powerful enough and it's games won't be outdated technically like the 3DS titles.

I just don't see any reason not to port switch games at all even if it's just late and cheap ports.

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep using the same assets and just raise the resolution like they did on Wii U.

That would be embarrassing.

 

[Herb Alpert]

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep using the same assets and just raise the resolution like they did on Wii U.

Yep. MHXG would be like that.

MH5, don't know, but I don't expect a photorealistic game.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Yeah dont believe that PR talk from Ninty. This thing is certainly positioned to replace bith the wii u and 3ds. Nintendo is just trying to save face shoukd the Switch not take off.

I mean just look at Bethesda's Skyrim PR spin just to "force" consumers into purchasing the soon to be released ps4/xb1 version of skyrim remastered as opposed to waiting for the Switch version.

Again, why would Bethesda care what platform people buy the game on, exactly? If people wait for the Switch version that still means a sale. It's a big stretch to assume this is the reason, to say the least.

 

[Principate]

Again, why would Bethesda care what platform people buy the game on, exactly? If people wait for the Switch version that still means a sale. It's a big stretch to assume this is the reason, to say the least.

It's more likely Nintendo have told them not to confirm anything, much like they told Square not to confirm anything even after they explcitly announced the platform at the DQ event. Was equally silly then too.

 

[ethomaz]

01. 3DS - 18.438.698 <49,37%
02. PSV - 5.205.609 <13,94%
03. PS4 - 5.114.598 <13,69%
04. PS3 - 4.185.655 <11,21%
05. WIU - 3.926.000 <10,51%
06. PSP - 304.545 <0,82%
07. XB1 - 117.378 <0,31%
08. 360 - 55.261 <0,15%

2014 Dec 29 - 2016 Jan 03

Compare the software sales for the year and compare the system age

This proves my point... best console sales in Japan... great.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I highly doubt MonHun5 will be multiplat. It's basically going to be Nintendo's mega hit 3rd party game in the first year or so

 

[Principate]

This proves my point... best console sales in Japan... great.

Sells only 1 million more software than th PS3 a 10 year old console and the the Wii U. Fucking great software sales there, fantastic.

 

[Inuhanyou]

People thinking monster hunter will use more than PS2 graphics on Switch = LeL

The whole point of this money train is that they can reuse assets and the same shit over and over again and still make bank.

It would throw any balance out of the window if they scaled up production costs without expectation of getting higher sales targets.

 

[shandy706]

Sells only 1 million more software than th PS3 a 10 year old console and the the Wii U. Fucking great software sales there, fantastic.

Stop wasting your time arguing with Ethomaz about PS4 stuff. He's a HUGE fan.


I figured they just meant "port" in OP, but I could see a platform switch to try and grab launch sales. (if the game is niche)

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

People thinking monster hunter will use more than PS2 graphics on Switch = LeL

The whole point of this money train is that they can reuse assets and the same shit over and over again and still make bank.

It would throw any balance out of the window if they scaled up production costs without expectation of getting higher sales targets.

In theory, what you're saying isn't wrong, but there's only so far you can stretch those assets. Looking at MHGen, Capcom has pretty much stretched the mix of old and newer assets thin. A huge overhaul would cost a lot of money, but the game is a guaranteed multi-million seller and it would set them up nicely for the next 10 years to do the same thing.

Also, equally, this talk of MH5 standing no chance of appearing on another platform outside of 3DS and/or Switch is quite the assumption. Y'all never learned from Dragon Quest, did you? The game's reveal should be super fun.

 

[Principate]

People thinking monster hunter will use more than PS2 graphics on Switch = LeL

The whole point of this money train is that they can reuse assets and the same shit over and over again and still make bank.

It would throw any balance out of the window if they scaled up production costs without expectation of getting higher sales targets.

This is true but keep in mind what they'll be competing against, even for MH it'll be a harder sell when a bunch of other games on the system, will be closer to current gen. I mean Stories assests aren't that horrible imagine the monster hunter after the next will have a modest bump.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I mean just look at Bethesda's Skyrim PR spin just to "force" consumers into purchasing the soon to be released ps4/xb1 version of skyrim remastered as opposed to waiting for the Switch version.

Yeah. Everyone knows the majority of Bethesda's audience is on Nintendo. No doubt they're trying to keep them from buying the version for a system that won't be out until March 2017 (maybe).

 

[silva1991]

People thinking monster hunter will use more than PS2 graphics on Switch = LeL

The whole point of this money train is that they can reuse assets and the same shit over and over again and still make bank.

It would throw any balance out of the window if they scaled up production costs without expectation of getting higher sales targets.

I'm thinking the very first big MH on the Switch will be totally new with new assets and tweaked controls.

and then the milking and assets reuse starts based on that version for the entire gen.

 

[DooMAGE]

In theory, what you're saying isn't wrong, but there's only so far you can stretch those assets. Looking at MHGen, Capcom has pretty much stretched the mix of old and newer assets thin. A huge overhaul would cost a lot of money, but the game is a guaranteed multi-million seller and it would set them up nicely for the next 10 years to do the same thing.

Also, equally, this talk of MH5 standing no chance of appearing on another platform outside of 3DS and/or Switch is quite the assumption. Y'all never learned from Dragon Quest, did you? The game's reveal should be super fun.

All the MH fanbase moved and growth in the Nintendo systems, Sony fucked up Capcom on previous MH game, doubts of Capcom returning to Sony. I still think will be a waste of resources developing a mainline MH on other plaftforms besides Nintendo.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

All the MH fanbase moved and growth in the Nintendo systems, Sony fucked up Capcom on previous MH game, doubts of Capcom returning to Sony. I still think will be a waste of resources developing a mainline MH on other plaftforms besides Nintendo.

I still don't know where this nonsense about Sony 'fucking up Capcom' or 'screwing them over' with MH has come from, but maybe Capcom doesn't see it as a waste of resources. Like I say, the reveal for the next numbered title will be fun.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I'm thinking the very first big MH on the Switch will be totally new with new assets and tweaked controls.

and then the milking and assets reuse starts based on that version for the entire gen.

That's a pretty big expense to risk on a new console third party exclusive.

Which is why i think they will go for minimal gains at 1080p as an exclusive, or they will go multiplat and then do as you say.

 

[Vena]

I still don't know where this nonsense about Sony 'fucking up Capcom' or 'screwing them over' with MH has come from, but maybe Capcom doesn't see it as a waste of resources. Like I say, the reveal for the next numbered title will be fun.

Hum? It comes from the events surrounding MHP3HD and its localization. That is generally the point where it seems the dominoes started to tumble as Nintendo/Iwata snatched up and localized MHTri, and then the franchise completely jumped ship. There very much was a "Sony being a colossal dick" as far as the franchise is concerned. Since then it's been the exact opposite in terms of working relationships between Nintendo and Capcom when it comes to this franchise. Of course, since this is all a matter of business "holding a grudge" is obviously nonsensical but there are historical points to explain the shift in the past-tense.

I wonder when we'd even see MH5 announced, won't be for a long while I'd wager.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by the next MonHun titles being multi-plat, I just think they will be multi-plat with something that people don't expect... namely the 3DS.

 

[Inuhanyou]

All the MH fanbase moved and growth in the Nintendo systems, Sony fucked up Capcom on previous MH game, doubts of Capcom returning to Sony. I still think will be a waste of resources developing a mainline MH on other plaftforms besides Nintendo.

Wouldn't that cross any future potential FF of Tales off the list for Switch porting? Since Square nor Namco Bandai has not had a numbered entree on Nintendo consoles since the early 90s. But SE and Bandai Namco are both on the list for support of Switch. I'm just sayin, if there's money to be made, i don't think it would cross a multiplat off the list at all for something that happend years and years ago now

 

[Vena]

Wouldn't that cross any future potential FF of Tales off the list for Switch porting? Since Square has not had a numbered entree on Nintendo consoles since the early 90s. I'm just sayin, if there's money to be made, i don't think it would cross a multiplat off the list at all for something that happend years and years ago now

Tales was on the Wii, and has seen ports to the 3DS. FF has only ever had spin-offs though.

 

[DooMAGE]

I still don't know where this nonsense about Sony 'fucking up Capcom' or 'screwing them over' with MH has come from, but maybe Capcom doesn't see it as a waste of resources. Like I say, the reveal for the next numbered title will be fun.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...hd-localization-for-europe-and-north-america/

them it went downhill

 

[Oregano]

Wouldn't that cross any future potential FF of Tales off the list for Switch porting? Since Square nor Namco Bandai has not had a numbered entree on Nintendo consoles since the early 90s. But SE and Bandai Namco are both on the list for support of Switch. I'm just sayin, if there's money to be made, i don't think it would cross a multiplat off the list at all for something that happend years and years ago now

Well it's unlikely either the next Tales or stuff like FFXV/FFVII will appear on Switch so that makes sense, and only a small minority of people think it will happen.

Square has DQ on Nintendo platforms and Namco Bandai would be on there anyway because they develop first party games for Nintendo.

Spoiler

What's funny is there's a lot of people adamant that no Sony associated franchise will release on Switch but stuff like Monster Hunter is obviously going to be on PS4. The opposite is true as well.