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HarryHengst said:
Just took that quiz, and apparently i'm so liberal that Stalin is my neighbour. I understand where that 2 star rating comes from, as that made no sense at all. :lol

At the dinner at which Stalin was presented with the honorary sword forged to celebrate the defence of Stalingrad, he suggested the summary execution of 50,000 or so German officers, the better to lastingly crush that country's military capability. Churchill stormed out. Stalin had to follow him and coax him back to dinner, insisting that it had been a joke and nothing more.

Me, I don't think Joe was kidding. Stalin is nobody's neighbour.
 
Salazar said:
At the dinner at which Stalin was presented with the honorary sword forged to celebrate the defence of Stalingrad, he suggested the summary execution of 50,000 or so German officers, the better to lastingly crush that country's military capability. Churchill stormed out. Stalin had to follow him and coax him back to dinner, insisting that it had been a joke and nothing more.

Me, I don't think Joe was kidding. Stalin is nobody's neighbour.

Why did Churchill stormed out?
 
No, even with that FAQ entry, I don't understand how a lot of these statements are supposed to work:

"A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies."

That's not a matter of opinion, it's factually false. A genuine free market has no restrictions on corporations, period. That's inherent in the definition, whether or not I think it's a good thing.

"All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind."
I literally don't even know what this means. What the hell are "sorts" and "kinds" of people?

"It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents."
Again, this is factually true. Whether it should be encouraged or not is the question, but that's not what the proposition is asking me to evaluate. I also have no idea what it has to do with political beliefs.

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

How is this political?

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."
I would argue that's an objectively true statement about one-party governance (although the way the Dems are running things now makes me rethink that). One-party systems don't have as much deliberation and compromise as divided systems. Acknowledging that doesn't mean I'm in favor of it though.

"In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded."
Assuming this is a worldview that anybody actually has, isn't it self-contradictory? What happens to the person at the very top or the very bottom?

And then there's an astrology question. WTF?
 
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Not surprising. I haven't moved much from a test I took a few years ago.
 
faceless007 said:
No, even with that FAQ entry, I don't understand how a lot of these statements are supposed to work:

"A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies."

That's not a matter of opinion, it's factually false. A genuine free market has no restrictions on corporations, period. That's inherent in the definition, whether or not I think it's a good thing.

A "free market" as you define it isn't free either if there are no regulations thus allowing corporations to create monopolies or price fix to screw their customers. There is no genuine free market so everyone makes their own definition of what free market is.

As for the rest of the questions you have to understand, the site doesn't care if these sentences are right or wrong, it's trying to determine if you're left on right based on your positions or delusions even. Wanna bet that many people answered that kids should not keep secrets from their parents? Also the astrology question falls under superstition aka religion.
 
Lich_King said:
Why did Churchill stormed out?

Because he recognised the difference between ruthlessness and lunatic callousness. That's not to say he always observed it, but to line up 50,000 unarmed men and shoot them without the courtesy of a trial was something he wouldn't countenance - at least not over dinner.
 
faceless007 said:
No, even with that FAQ entry, I don't understand how a lot of these statements are supposed to work:

"A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies."

That's not a matter of opinion, it's factually false. A genuine free market has no restrictions on corporations, period. That's inherent in the definition, whether or not I think it's a good thing.
from Wikipedia:
wikipedia said:
In the classical economics of such figures as Adam Smith and David Ricardo, "free markets" meant "free of unnecessary charges" and a "market free from monopoly power, business fraud, political insider dealing and special privileges for vested interests". A "free market" particularly meant one free of foreign debt; as discussed in The Wealth of Nations. Alternatively, stated, it was a market freed from Feudalism and serfdom, or more formally, one free of economic rent, in the formulation by David Ricardo of the Law of Rent.
This is just one example of defining free markets. The question is not free or not, but free from what and by whose definition? And as fortified_concept stated, governmental control is not the only kind of control there is.

faceless007 said:
I literally don't even know what this means. What the hell are "sorts" and "kinds" of people?
Nationality, social group, race... whatever you want. For example: Do you think every nation should just mind its own business and not meddle with others?

faceless007 said:
Again, this is factually true. Whether it should be encouraged or not is the question, but that's not what the proposition is asking me to evaluate. I also have no idea what it has to do with political beliefs.
Some parents do think their it's not natural for their children to have secrets. Many beliefs people have are reflected in their political stances.

faceless007 said:
"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."
I would argue that's an objectively true statement about one-party governance (although the way the Dems are running things now makes me rethink that). One-party systems don't have as much deliberation and compromise as divided systems. Acknowledging that doesn't mean I'm in favor of it though.
Is it such a significant advantage it could be considered? That is the question, not if there are some advantages in one party system or not.

faceless007 said:
"In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded."
Assuming this is a worldview that anybody actually has, isn't it self-contradictory? What happens to the person at the very top or the very bottom?
Don't get stuck on one track. There are governmental, military, corporative hierarchies and so on. One can be at the top of one, but still be subdued by others. But that's not the point of this question - rather if these hierarchical systems are necessary.
 
Churchill didn't storm out, he just knocked his glass over. And right afterward Roosevelt joked that they could compromise by just killing 49,000.

Anyway, here's another fun Stalin story:

The dim but congenial Voroshilov initiated another step into the mire of Soviet depravity when he read an article about teenage hooliganism. He wrote a not to the Politburo saying that Krushchev, Bulganin and Yagoda "agree there is no alternative but to imprison the little vagabonds ... I don't understand why one doesn't shoot the scum." Stalin and Molotov jumped at the chance to add another terrible weapon to their arsenal for use against political opponents, decreeing that children of twelve could now be executed.
 
Jasup said:
from Wikipedia:

This is just one example of defining free markets. The question is not free or not, but free from what and by whose definition? And as fortified_concept stated, governmental control is not the only kind of control there is.
That may be how it was defined 150 years ago, but it's not the meaning today in the West. I have to assume the words in the survey are used according to their contemporary meaning with which I'm familiar, or else I don't know how to answer any of the questions. I'm pretty sure even die-hard leftists today don't think "free market" means "free from huge corporations" or they would call themselves free-marketeers as well. But they don't, so no one will interpret the question that way.

Nationality, social group, race... whatever you want. For example: Do you think every nation should just mind its own business and not meddle with others?
But that's my point: these questions can't mean "whatever I want" for the survey to be meaningful. Either words have objective meaning or they don't. If they do then the survey can interpret my responses, but if not then there's no way to know what I'm actually thinking about when responding to such vague wording. If it wants to ask me what I think about nations, it should use that word.

Some parents do think their it's not natural for their children to have secrets.
Then they're morons. And yes, morons exist, but I'm not aware of any proven correlation between being a moron and political beliefs. (Much as I would like to believe that anyone to the right of me is one.)

Is it such a significant advantage it could be considered? That is the question, not if there are some advantages in one party system or not.
But that's still an empirical question of political science, best answered by people who study how these institutions work. That's separate from the question of whether one prefers one-party government (Also, I'd guess most people prefer one-party when their party is in power and divided when not.)
 
faceless007 said:
That may be how it was defined 150 years ago, but it's not the meaning today in the West. I have to assume the words in the survey are used according to their contemporary meaning with which I'm familiar, or else I don't know how to answer any of the questions. I'm pretty sure even die-hard leftists today don't think "free market" means "free from huge corporations" or they would call themselves free-marketeers as well. But they don't, so no one will interpret the question that way.
As I see it, markets controlled by monopolies or cartels are not free. Thus to have a free market, there must be some kind of social agreement on the rules to prevent such a situation. If we go further I'd go on and state that no markets are just a limited human made social constructs with inherent boundaries, that's why the definition of "free market" is not and should not be fixed. Definitions change and it's not a question of how the contemporary dictionaries define the word but how do you see it.

faceless007 said:
But that's my point: these questions can't mean "whatever I want" for the survey to be meaningful. Either words have objective meaning or they don't. If they do then the survey can interpret my responses, but if not then there's no way to know what I'm actually thinking about when responding to such vague wording. If it wants to ask me what I think about nations, it should use that word.
No no no, you miss the point completely. It's a question if you see world should be of independent groups, however they are composed (be it family units, tribes, ethnic groups, national states, nations, or indeed whatever kind of construct you can think) minding their own business. Or if you see the need for higher levels of hierarchy that binds groups together under mutual agreements, alliances, federations, international organisations etc.

Have you ever heard people talking about "our people" or "your people"? We are talking about these groups of "our people".

faceless007 said:
Then they're morons. And yes, morons exist, but I'm not aware of any proven correlation between being a moron and political beliefs. (Much as I would like to believe that anyone to the right of me is one.)
Then you agree with the question that it's natural for a child to keep some secrets from parents. They have a right to keep them and parent's shouldn't force children to tell.

faceless007 said:
But that's still an empirical question of political science, best answered by people who study how these institutions work. That's separate from the question of whether one prefers one-party government (Also, I'd guess most people prefer one-party when their party is in power and divided when not.)
So would you be willing to consider one party system with party of your choise in order to get their policies implemented efficiently?

Some of these questions are masked and for a reason. People are many times preconditioned to respond to various notions in some manner:

There's a group in Finland that wants to this country to be just for ethnic Finns, want to separate Finland from EU, UN and cut other ties to other nations. They want all immigrants (and non ethnic Finns, even the ethnic minorities that have lived here forever) out. But they still don't consider themselves racist. The word just has a bad stigma to it.

Same goes for the one-party system, it has a bad ring to it because most of us are raised in a land with multi-party systems. We are taught to shun the idea of a system with only one party outright but one might find some implications of such a system appealing.
 
Salazar said:
Because he recognised the difference between ruthlessness and lunatic callousness. That's not to say he always observed it, but to line up 50,000 unarmed men and shoot them without the courtesy of a trial was something he wouldn't countenance - at least not over dinner.

Oh, well, I forgot about all this "Let's execute 50000 murderers to break enemy spirit" - bad bad commies, "let's nuke 200000 civilians to break enemy spirit" - fuck yeah we win the war :lol
 
Lich_King said:
Oh, well, I forgot about all this "Let's execute 50000 murderers to break enemy spirit" - bad bad commies, "let's nuke 200000 civilians to break enemy spirit" - fuck yeah we win the war :lol
Not to mention the firebombing of cities like Dresden to break enemy spirits...
 
numble said:
Not to mention the firebombing of cities like Dresden to break enemy spirits...
"There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders"-General Curtis LeMay
 
Torhthelm TĂ­dwald said:
Churchill didn't storm out, he just knocked his glass over. And right afterward Roosevelt joked that they could compromise by just killing 49,000.

Anyway, here's another fun Stalin story:

OK. I tend to take Beevor's word as gospel, so strong is the impression of honesty and sound critical method.
 
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