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This is Phil Fish
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Delusibeta
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There's only so much effort even the best trolls would put into their creations, and Fish crossed that line ages ago. I think that he is genuinely an asshole.
Oppo
Member
Reading this was like watching a swordsmith drop a piece of raw silk onto a freshly forged katana.
POWERSPHERE
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What a great essay on modern fame.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Couldn't finish the video. Started off ok but the way the guy talks, his pronunciations just got on my nerves.
As soon as he said "let's do a thought experiment" I was done. All sounded very pretentious.
As soon as he said "let's do a thought experiment" I was done. All sounded very pretentious.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I like Phil, I'd say quite a bit more than the overly sensitive, hyper reaction types.
The thing about kotaku is that they always try to walk it in
Implying it is inherently wrong to do so.
What was Fish thinking sending Fez out that early?
Great video, I remember when he said that he wouldnt port Fez to 3DS because he wouldn't know how to use the second screen, the amount of hate was amazing, I defended the guy and a horde of people insulted me to death, I was so marveled by peoples irrationality that it literally changed my life.
A teacher in the college once told me: "I'm responsible for what I say, not for what you understand", that applies perfectly here, you're putting so much in the guy's mouth even when he didn't say any of that, if you think that all that crap that you said is impliend on his comment, well, I have bad news for you, thats what you're saying not what he said, thats your opinion and what you understood, I have a different view, so what you're saying isn't a fact but your perspective.
Besides, you're asking for a circlejerk? Thats not how things SHOULD work, if you like me or my work I don't have to like you or your work too.
But thats one of the points of the documentary, why people don't give a fuck about some random dude being an asshole and they do about some famous dude? Why people expect famous people to behave in certain way, when they dont on non famous people?
A teacher in the college once told me: "I'm responsible for what I say, not for what you understand", that applies perfectly here, you're putting so much in the guy's mouth even when he didn't say any of that, if you think that all that crap that you said is impliend on his comment, well, I have bad news for you, thats what you're saying not what he said, thats your opinion and what you understood, I have a different view, so what you're saying isn't a fact but your perspective.
Besides, you're asking for a circlejerk? Thats not how things SHOULD work, if you like me or my work I don't have to like you or your work too.
But thats one of the points of the documentary, why people don't give a fuck about some random dude being an asshole and they do about some famous dude? Why people expect famous people to behave in certain way, when they dont on non famous people?
a) he is famous and thus should behave better than us
b) he is famous and thus should be responsible for maintaining his image
Either way, you can see they place an extra arbitrary onus based on fame alone.
Honestly i DO think that fames comes with extra responsibilities, but it's undoubtly a can of worms.
Knew of Phil and the hate towards him, never got into the details because it's the internet. Where hating on something for no reason is the norm.
Him telling people to choke on his dick is fantastic and more "internet famous" people should take that approach to social media. It's expected that all the death threats and hate should be tolerated, but the minute someone pushes back... Well they are an asshole. Double standards are fun right?
Him telling people to choke on his dick is fantastic and more "internet famous" people should take that approach to social media. It's expected that all the death threats and hate should be tolerated, but the minute someone pushes back... Well they are an asshole. Double standards are fun right?
Why though? is there really a reason for this? I mean in all reality he is just a normal (well talented) geek online who received a shit ton of attention.
Its kinda sad to think that if I somehow became famous I have to run out and hire a PR to filter everything I may say online to keep up some sort of image that is in all honesty fake as fuck.
It's a very complex argument...
Allen Iverson should not complain about practice because he is a role model to children
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A human should live his life the way he wants and not the way people expect of him, plus free speech
First of all, this is a video that defends Phil Fish in every possible way and dismiss as irrelevant everything that Phil Fish did or said that could be considered wrong, so this video really starts from a biased position to treat its matter, and it is my opinion that this bias is clearly perceived form the words of the author.
The video doesn't even considers those stupid Phil's remarks about the fact that apparently "PC are for spreadsheets" and "FEZ is a console game" when asked about a PC release for Fez.
But then Fez gets a release date on steam, and instead of apologizing for his ignorant remarks, the best way Phil finds to treat the "boycott" movement is to offend:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/828936719094418300
Good post. I feel that the author completely ignores a lot of what Phil did. Phil, a lot of times would actively try to piss off people. Anyone who is internet famous is going to tell someone to fuck off every once and a while but what Phil did was on a completely different level.
Using correct terminology and language to describe things isn't pretentious.
That word is thrown around far too often without having any relevance.
It is a complex argument to summarize in a few words, but the bottomline for me would be:
As your fame increases, so does you influence, and as you influence increases so does the weight of your words and actions, and you should always keep that in mind.
turnbuckle
Member
Fantastic video. I'd post more and argue against some of the posts in here but then I'd find myself not really getting anything done at work today. So I'll leave it at that.
Says who? Is there any law that says it? No, its pure social whim, you're basically asking for people with a different social status to behave in a way that you would and/or you cant.
Besides why cant famous people be honest and say what they want instead of what you want them to say?
This is in my opinion the main thing that is wrong with our society nowadays, people loves to use freedom of speech in a single way, I can express my opinion and you too but if its goes against mine you become in my enemy and any kind of rationality vanishes.
turnbuckle
Member
Fantastic video. I'd post more and argue against some of the posts in here but then I'd find myself not really getting anything done at work today. So I'll leave it at that.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
There was nothing I'd call pretentious about this video. It was just a case study on internet fame using Phil Fish as the case.
It was an pretty interesting argument.
The video is schizophrenic about that point, because it clearly says "Phil Fish said 'they suck'", but then thirty seconds later argues that since he and Blow had a discussion about wester/eastern games, it wasn't just "Japanese games suck". The video creator says that "The moment Phil Fish wrote off Japanese video games entirely never happened" but no one's arguing thatthey're arguing that Fish blanket rejected an entire country's output (which he did) and then used a random audience member as proxy for that output (which he did.)
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
There was nothing I'd call pretentious about this video. It was just a case study on internet fame using Phil Fish as the case.
It was an pretty interesting argument.
Is there anyway we can turn this into a Fight Club style naming to our most 'famous' celebrities, maybe even a Gaf filter? I know we give a lot of hits just by invoking their name. Something like:
I think this would really curb our feeding of the hype machine.
Gafninja69 said:
I think this would really curb our feeding of the hype machine.
One point of contention is the bolded part.
Should my influence change how I behave? Should I even be cognizant of it? If the fame came from the people, should it be instead up to them to reduce their mindshare of me?
DrDrizzay101
Member
I definitely agree with this. As usual, the truth with Phil is somewhere in the middle. He's made mistakes and done stupid things but also has redeeming qualities (like everyone else ever). On the GB streams he seemed like a good natured person who would be easier to get along with in person than on the internet.
DrDrizzay101
Member
I definitely agree with this. As usual, the truth with Phil is somewhere in the middle. He's made mistakes and done stupid things but also has redeeming qualities (like everyone else ever). On the GB streams he seemed like a good natured person who would be easier to get along with in person than on the internet.
figadapaura
Member
I thought this was gonna be a Phil Fish AMA lol
Interesting video though. I never really had much of an opinion on Phil and never really understood why he was hated so much, but that video really does put a lot of things in perspective.
Interesting video though. I never really had much of an opinion on Phil and never really understood why he was hated so much, but that video really does put a lot of things in perspective.
DrDrizzay101
Member
I definitely agree with this. As usual, the truth with Phil is somewhere in the middle. He's made mistakes and done stupid things but also has redeeming qualities (like everyone else ever). On the GB streams he seemed like a good natured person who would be easier to get along with in person than on the internet.
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i can't believe people feel personally offended by this.
I can't believe people feel personally offended by a lot of video game and internet things.
I think it comes down to everyone having too much spare time. We nitpick, we overanalyze, we squabble, we hold grudges, we entertain ourselves, etc.
Much of the controversy around guys like Phil Fish seems overblown.
Yes.
Responsibility is not always a choice, but it's still a byproduct of your status, since, whether you like it or not, that influence will be there.
People are just way too into talking about Fish. I don't get it. He's a bit of an asshole, and certainly has no filter, but why should anyone care? He hasn't hurt anyone (give me a break with the one guy having a nightmare), he fucks around on twitter, and makes games.
And that game was fantastic.
I got no problem with gossip, I love it really. But we go over and over and over Phil Fish and I just don't get it.
And that game was fantastic.
I got no problem with gossip, I love it really. But we go over and over and over Phil Fish and I just don't get it.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Oh man, Phil is back on Twitter and blowing up my feed rambling about YouTubers owning devs money.
People are just way too into talking about Fish. I don't get it. He's a bit of an asshole, and certainly has no filter, but why should anyone care? He hasn't hurt anyone (give me a break with the one guy having a nightmare), he fucks around on twitter, and makes games.
And that game was fantastic.
I got no problem with gossip, I love it really. But we go over and over and over Phil Fish and I just don't get it.
And that game was fantastic.
I got no problem with gossip, I love it really. But we go over and over and over Phil Fish and I just don't get it.
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