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Yep OP is right on with the frustration.

I love my Wii U and don't for a second regret spending over $400 on launch day for it, games, and a pro-controller.

Even with Titanfall and SecondSon launching, WiiU's launch was still better IMO as far as my preferences in games go.

ZombiU and NSBU alone were so awesome. But now with the amazing library it has ... that $200 should have been a "well no shit thats a done deal" type of response.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Nintendo Network IDs are technically device-agnostic. They contain your game licenses, not your actual device(s).

The stuff you're talking about is more about account management utilities, parity between licenses for content specially programmed for one platform vs. another, etc., not whether the account itself is unified.

That's not to say that Nintendo shouldn't have a browser storefront, that they shouldn't be coordinating VC releases so that your license lets you play something on any compatible console or handheld, or that they shouldn't let people log in freely on multiple devices. But to say that "Nintendo does not have an account system" is patently false. The account system does exist, and has existed since they released Wii U. They just haven't built out the services everyone wants.

Technically? Why can't I see all of my past 3DS purchases on my Wii U? If it's unified, I should be able to see them. But I can't, I can only see stuff from after NNID was introduced to the 3DS. Kind of weird for a unified account system to do that.

A better sentence would be "Nintendo has a bad account system". That should be more understandable.

 

[LegendofLex]

Technically? Why can't I see all of my past 3DS purchases on my Wii U? If it's unified, I should be able to see them. But I can't, I can only see stuff from after NNID was introduced to the 3DS. Kind of weird for a unified account system to do that.

"Unified account" just means that all your purchase history is tied to an ID somewhere. Nintendo definitely provides this, so it would be more productive to stop bitching about "accounts" and start complaining about "account services" which are obviously sorely lacking.

 

[Replicant]

A lot of GAF posters are what I call "movement" gamers. They care about gaming as a "movement" of what they like. Sony is their great white hype. GAF is going to be great come next year and we see the contraction. The people trying to fluff up Sony are going to be hardest hit.

I didn't know we have a seer in our midst!

 

[WrenchNinja]

"Unified account" just means that all your purchase history is tied to an ID somewhere. Nintendo definitely provides this, so it would be more productive to stop bitching about "accounts" and start complaining about "account services" which are obviously sorely lacking.

I don't see much of a point in separating account services from accounts when no other company seems to find it necessary to do so. If it's tied somewhere, that should be clear to the consumer. It is not.

 

[Goldmund]

I didn't know we have a seer in our midst!

Is that Doug, Arian and Kevin from The Cruncheons?

 

[Replicant]

"Unified account" just means that all your purchase history is tied to an ID somewhere. Nintendo definitely provides this, so it would be more productive to stop bitching about "accounts" and start complaining about "account services" which are obviously sorely lacking.

What's the point of having a unified account when you can't do anything that a unified account is supposed to be doing like transferring your purchases between one console to another?

Is that Doug, Arian and Kevin from The Cruncheons?

Look everyone! Someone hasn't seen "The Little Mermaid"! Isn't that cute and refreshing?

 

[Huff]

Is that Doug, Arian and Kevin from The Cruncheons?

Kevin has a way sexier voice

 

[Goldmund]

Look everyone! Someone hasn't seen "The Little Mermaid"! Isn't that cute and refreshing?

Of course I have. I just can't believe I never thought of Ursula and her eels to visually represent the relationship between those three. I previously thought of Nelson and his cronies from The Simpsons' first season.

 

[Replicant]

Of course I have. I just can't believe I never thought of Ursula and her eels to visually represent the relationship between those three. I previously thought of Nelson and his cronies from The Simpsons' first season.

Huh? It's just a reaction GIF. It wasn't meant to illustrate anything deeper.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

Of course I have. I just can't believe I never thought of Ursula and her eels to visually represent the relationship between those three. I previously thought of Nelson and his cronies from The Simpsons' first season.

So Doug is Ursula, right?

 

[Poimandres]

Every real Nintendo fan knows about The Little Mermaid from the Capcom game.

I remember when the media turned against Atari, and started praising Nintendo. People all over the world mocked and laughed at us Atari fans, flocking to Nintendo. I mean, sure, the Nintendo was more powerful and had better graphics but the Atari captured the true essence of fun with games like Pong and Pac Man and Asteroids. No need for flashy gimmicks, these were pure gaming experiences that you just don't get anymore

 

[LegendofLex]

But here's the question: What does the media want to achieve by "dooming" the Wii U?

You seem to speak of some sort of evil agenda, but fail to explain WHY. Why the Wii U, and why not the PS4 for example? Does the media actually win something by "killing" the Wii U? What's in it for them?

Who do you think pays game journalists' bills? It's not Nintendo. Game journalism revolves heavily on ad support from a wide range of publishers, most of whom find success on non-Nintendo systems.

Why do you think the press narrative is always that Nintendo consoles must have hardware parity/must have strong multi-platform third-party support/must have big expensive AAA-like games (even when the real winners for Nintendo are relatively inexpensive classic-style games)? It's because that's what would be in the best interest for most third-party publishers (who rely on putting their games on as many platforms as possible, and have historically had a problem competing with Nintendo's actually-successful output), and thus ultimately for the game journalists.

One could say it's because they genuinely believe that all this stuff is necessary (even though DS, Wii, and 3DS all prove it is not), but at the end of the day I'd still say it's a result of the third-party platform agenda, just not in the "we're writing this to serve the third-party platform agenda" sense - it'd be more about game journalists being in an environment where they become wired to those priorities.

Either way: game journalists behave toward Nintendo as they do as a result of the Game Industry's business priorities.

What's the point of having a unified account when you can't do anything that a unified account is supposed to be doing like transferring your purchases between one console to another?

I don't disagree with you.

I just think it is pointless to yell about "unified accounts" when they have already built them. What they have not done is built the services to properly support them. So yell at them about the actual deficiency: the services. Anything else is just going to sound like uninformed rabble to Nintendo.

That would be like me telling the burger joint guy "give me a real burger" when what I really want is some grilled onions and a better bun.

 

[Replicant]

Every real Nintendo fan knows about The Little Mermaid from the Capcom game.

I love that game. Ursula was fun in her final form.

 

[Goldmund]

Huh? It's just a reaction GIF. It wasn't meant to illustrate anything deeper.

I know. It was more of an interjection, or me mumbling to myself. Free association. Off-topic. I'll stop now.

So Doug is Ursula, right?

Of course.

 

[WrenchNinja]

That would be like me telling the burger joint guy "give me a real burger" when what I really want is some grilled onions and a better bun.

Fundamental features of every other account system are just equivalent to toppings huh

Weird

 

[freezamite]

Wow! Is this a jeff_rigby post in disguise? This is the horror of dilettanteism: an accumulation of facts with no integrated knowledge. I'll pick a few tiny things out here.

So shorter pipelines, bigger caches, more memory registers and issuing one extra instruction per cycle when a branch instruction is available is not relevant to argue than Espresso might do a better work clock for clock than the Jaguar in this kind of scenario? (AI code).

Can you imagine a game built around advected forces in a volumetric grid? A smoothed particle hydrodynamics solver?

I've personally done volumetric grids with forces associated at each box and I don't think this is any different than what Mario Galaxy did on the Wii.
Regarding the smoothed particle hydrodynamics solver, I've never done that and I don't know what it is (something particle related to calculate the physics of water, I presume) but until I see it applied in a game in a way it improves the experience besides making the water more realistic, I won't say if this is good or if it isn't.

Have you written any SIMD code on these platforms? You're aware of how paired-single works, vis a vis AVX ISA (though Lord knows all write-thinking men preferred VMX128 and the Cell ISA)?

No, I haven't worked on those consoles. Unlike you I don't need to fool anyone to defend my points. But why are you now referring to the SIMD capabilities of the Espresso, if we were talking specifically about branchy integer code?

You realize write-combined memory isn't some fantasy that doesn't exist on modern CPUs?

True for the write gatherer that I'm sure the Jaguar also has in an equivalent form. But a DMA to L1 cache? The Jaguar doesn't have that...

For now, instead of learning something useful from someone that's supposed to know a lot, the conversation has been:
- The Espresso may do quite well compared to the Jaguars in terms of integer-branchi code.
- You speak a lot but you know nothing. Have you ever programmed SIMD code on those CPUs?

It's obvious that besides programming, you're pretty invested in console wars and deviating the conversation to where it interests you.
I insist, what was wrong about the shorter pipelines, the 2+1 issued instructions and the bigger caches impacting positively a branchy code?

Come on, man. Put down the flag. It's killing you.

Hey mr. programmer (a programmer that can't distinguish between a branch instruction and a SIMD one), why don't you enlighten me in

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

85K in February

Wiiu living yall

Less than 360 and PS3.

Its dead bro let it go.

The WiiU needs to get a decent enough library where instead of talking about how it flopped and was abandoned by third parties people can talk about what games they think look cool (not talking about people on gaming forums here). The thing is by the time WiiU has built that library it will be near its life cycle end.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

85K in February

Wiiu living yall

Then in march and april it goes back down then may back up.. Its like a pulse so to an extent..yes its "living" To me it isnt dead until they stop making games for it. When they day comes then itll be dead.

 

[rezuth]

Meh, companies like Apple has received the Doom stamp for years. The problem isn't the press but that Nintendo has done nothing to counter the bad press. They haven't informed the public about the WiiU or what the selling point is. They have no support because games aren't selling, no clear direction for Nintendo and no target audience.

This is a failure of Nintendo and not the press.

 

[Boy Wander]

Meh, companies like Apple has received the Doom stamp for years. The problem isn't the press but that Nintendo has done nothing to counter the bad press. They haven't informed the public about the WiiU or what the selling point is. They have no support because games aren't selling, no clear direction for Nintendo and no target audience.

This is a failure of Nintendo and not the press.

Absolutely correct. And it's a damned shame because actually, it's a really good machine. Yeah it may not have ENUF POWAH for some people but it's a fun machine to play on, the OS works well (now), MiiVerse is a great, fun, helpful community and the gamepad is just great for offscreen play. But they fucked up the marketing. I've said before, if I was Iwata, I'd bin their marketing people and also have some serious words with the ad companies that they use because publicity for the thing was just a failure.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Gonna get plenty of use out of my dusty WiiU later this year finally.

Its quickly going to become the living room family system with Mario Kart8

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

A lot of GAF posters are what I call "movement" gamers. They care about gaming as a "movement" of what they like. Sony is their great white hype. GAF is going to be great come next year and we see the contraction. The people trying to fluff up Sony are going to be hardest hit.

 

[SmokedMeat]

For all the knocking of gaming media outlets, what was the deal with the huge Wii U love fest we had during the holiday season? Seemed like every outlet wanted to proclaim how Wii U was the system you HAD to own, and only one worth owning.

Did everyone forget that already? Was it because Nintendo paid off every website to promote the system?

 

[SmokyDave]

For all the knocking of gaming media outlets, what was the deal with the huge Wii U love fest we had during the holiday season? Seemed like every outlet wanted to proclaim how Wii U was the system you HAD to own, and only one worth owning.

Did everyone forget that already? Was it because Nintendo paid off every website to promote the system?

Shhh, we're pretending that Time, Forbes and the rest of 'em didn't actually write those articles. There was no '5 reasons that parents should buy a Wii U'. '10 reasons to buy a Wii U over a PS4 or Xbox One today' never happened.

My favourite was the WSJ or NYT story where the tech writer opened by saying more friends / family / colleagues had asked him about the Wii U than the XBone and PS4 combined. Wish I could find that article.

 

[RK128]

I like to think the general public likes the Wii U, but they are just confused by it. I mean, people STILL think the Wii U is an add-on to the Wii...and that is just messed up. As for the press consistently saying "Nintendo is DOOOOOOMED!", its just stupid; the system is in bad trouble, but if Nintendo were to do some logical things, the system would be a more favorable spot.

I just think that the negativity surrounding the Wii U is due to press and other people just seeing the system as a bad investment; more or less no 3rd party support (and that 3rd party support is the big bunch of the game the press is more gravitated toward; just look at the Titanfall hype for example), lacking modern features found on other consoles, and Nintendo's games from last year and this year are looking very similar to their year one 3ds line up (Mario 3d Land = Mario 3d World, DKC3D = DKC TF, Mario Kart 7 = Mario Kart 8, OfT 3D = Wind Waker HD).

Nintendo will be okay in the end with the Wii U thanks to the success of the 3ds along with the Wii U (hopefully) getting into the 3rd place spot behind the X1 and PS4, but before that happens, they will be more doom articles, to get easy views from gamers wondering how the Wii U situation is doing.

 

[reKon]

The Wii U will probably be very valuable to me if I can get it for cheap and because of the backwords compatibility and the new smash bros. I just want them to make a HD version of Galaxy 2

 

[Averon]

For all the knocking of gaming media outlets, what was the deal with the huge Wii U love fest we had during the holiday season? Seemed like every outlet wanted to proclaim how Wii U was the system you HAD to own, and only one worth owning.

Did everyone forget that already? Was it because Nintendo paid off every website to promote the system?

Yeah. I remember a flurry of articles in the media proclaiming the Wii U as being a better purchase that the PS4 or XB1 last fall. Sure it lasted only about a month, but it was there.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Shhh, we're pretending that Time, Forbes and the rest of 'em didn't actually write those articles. There was no '5 reasons that parents should buy a Wii U'. '10 reasons to buy a Wii U over a PS4 or Xbox One today' never happened.

My favourite was the WSJ or NYT story where the tech writer opened by saying more friends / family / colleagues had asked him about the Wii U than the XBone and PS4 combined. Wish I could find that article.

I got the distinct feeling it was a combo of wii fans, wii fanboys, and straight up paid editorials. The wii was, for many years, a family friendly media daring, and I think a lot of the mainstream wanted that trend to continue.

 

[Huff]

Nintendo will be okay in the end with the Wii U thanks to the success of the 3ds along with the Wii U (hopefully) getting into the 3rd place spot behind the X1 and PS4, but before that happens, they will be more doom articles, to get easy views from gamers wondering how the Wii U situation is doing.

3DS is tanking pretty hard right meow

 

[Platy]

Made my part ... got a WiiU

3DS is tanking pretty hard right meow

Vita is selling poorly .... 3DS is just not "OMFG DS" levels =P

 

[Waylon Drums]

I think the greatest evidence that the OP is right is the content of this thread. How many people came here to piss on the Wii U? Not to have a discussion about it's merits and demerits, just to piss on it and be on their way. These are people who don't own one, don't want one, and haven't played one...but they rush into threads like these with a quickness.

With that said, not everyone who doesn't like or want a Wii U is one of those shitheads. There are plenty of good reasons to not be into it and there are also a lot of posters who have articulated their points well...but a good amount of others just come to spew a little venom and be on their way.

 

[NeonZ]

Vita is selling poorly .... 3DS is just not "OMFG DS" levels =P

The 3DS right now is on track to be Nintendo's worst selling portable. Saying that it's "tanking" is too much when we have things like the Vita and Wii U in the market, but it's not healthy enough to carry Nintendo if one side (Wii U) is just bleeding money.

 

[geordiemp]

Meh, companies like Apple has received the Doom stamp for years. The problem isn't the press but that Nintendo has done nothing to counter the bad press. They haven't informed the public about the WiiU or what the selling point is. They have no support because games aren't selling, no clear direction for Nintendo and no target audience.

This is a failure of Nintendo and not the press.

My personal view is I bought into the Wii and motion control, bought every accessory and game for Wii and believed it was true motion control.

But it was not, it was waggle, it was a little cloudy and shrouded in deceit...as most motion control has been thus far.

Once bitten, twice shy, backlash against motion controls (look at how people love Kinect on most forums today...LOL)

Underpowered console, motion control gimmick....second screen gimmick...

Too many gimmicks Nintendo...= console bombs

 

[-MB-]

The 3DS right now is on track to be Nintendo's worst selling portable. Saying that it's "tanking" is too much when we have things like the Vita and Wii U in the market, but it's not healthy enough to carry Nintendo if one side (Wii U) is just bleeding money.

You missed the entire Virtual Boy debacle.

 

[Koppai]

You can't deny that some publishers and "game journalists" hold bias against the Wii U though either. It's just one big clusterfuck. Those ports on PS3/360 can be on Wii U since the Wii U is a souped up PS3. Hell Watch Dogs is getting

Spoiler

canceled

delayed for Wii U after it releases on all the other platforms...

 

[LegendofLex]

Fundamental features of every other account system are just equivalent to toppings huh

Weird

Nintendo is selling you a burger.

It just isn't the burger you were asking for.

 

[theprodigy]

Less than 360 and PS3.

Its dead bro let it go.

The WiiU needs to get a decent enough library where instead of talking about how it flopped and was abandoned by third parties people can talk about what games they think look cool (not talking about people on gaming forums here). The thing is by the time WiiU has built that library it will be near its life cycle end.

ViewtifulJC with the most obvious bait, still gets someone anyway

 

[charlequin]

Anything else is just going to sound like uninformed rabble to Nintendo.

Not going to blame the customers here when the core problem is that people at Nintendo are unwilling or unable to understand and correctly implement systems that every other vendor rolled out 5+ years ago. Nintendo is operating on little kid logic here, like when you tell a 5 year old to "go to bed" and they walk over to the bed, touch it, run back out, and yell "I went to bed!"

 

[thedarknight87]

Nintendo is selling you a burger.

It just isn't the burger you were asking for.

Yeah you are right I want a beef burger not a burger made of horse shit and cow dung

 

[Onion_Relish]

Yeah you are right I want a beef burger not a burger made of horse shit and cow dung

You even posted right below a mod, how convenient...

I'm not sure why people are so surprised by WII U doom forecasts. Every other sector, from sports to stock market analysis makes a habit of finding one donkey and collectively shitting all over it, regardless of its merits. It's better to just ignore this kind of predatory journalism no matter where it is located.

 

[bitesnintendog]

You can't deny that some publishers and "game journalists" hold bias against the Wii U though either. It's just one big clusterfuck. Those ports on PS3/360 can be on Wii U since the Wii U is a souped up PS3. Hell Watch Dogs is getting

Spoiler

canceled

delayed for Wii U after it releases on all the other platforms...

Publishers will put games on whatever makes them money. Looking at the npd threads it's clear that many games are either not making money or are making only small amounts that make porting games still seem risky. It isn't a matter of if the Wii U can run the game but if publishers will get the roi they want.

If you want to discuss bias by journalists it has to be on a case by case basis. I see many people upset that people are talking about the Wii U's poor performance but it is something worth discussing due to the stark contrast in sales between the Wii and the Wii U.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Nintendo is selling you a burger.

It just isn't the burger you were asking for.

Every other burger place on the planet serves you a burger

This one burger place is selling you buns and calling it a burger

 

[Outtrigger888]

Nintendo is selling you a burger.

It just isn't the burger you were asking for.

This applies to MS and Sony, as well.

Who wants the bitter taste of paywall?

Its easy to connect.

 

[leroidys]

Every other burger place on the planet serves you a burger

This one burger place is selling you buns and calling it a burger

Nobody is defending Nintendo's account system, but saying that it is not a unified account is categorically wrong, end of story.

 

[Steroyd]

This applies to MS and Sony, as well.

Who wants the bitter taste of paywall?

Its easy to connect.

The paywall is like a topping that comes with the burger that you can take out... although in MS's case if you take the topping out all your left with is a plain burger including no butter.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Nobody is defending Nintendo's account system, but saying that it is not a unified account is categorically wrong, end of story.

Why can't I see my previous 3DS downloads prior to the NNID launch on my Wii U in the download list then? They cant just say it's unified and then have it not be so. How am I supposed to know if it's really unified if as a user, I can't view my complete download list from any of my currently purchased Nintendo devices that have my NNID? A partial download list is telling me somethig very different from unification.

So no, not categorically wrong and not end of story.

 

[thedarknight87]

@BriareosGAF It's no use arguing with somebody who believes that deferred rendering and a inappropriate overuse of bloom is next gen.

 

[leroidys]

Why can't I see my previous 3DS downloads prior to the NNID launch on my Wii U in the download list then? They cant just say it's unified and then have it not be so. How am I supposed to know if it's really unified if as a user, I can't view my complete download list from any of my currently purchased Nintendo devices that have my NNID? A partial download list is telling me somethig very different from unification.

So no, not categorically wrong and not end of story.

I cant view my mac apps download history on my iphone, but nobody says that apple doesn't have a unified account system.

You're redefining what a unified account is. As one user, you can tie all your purchases, financial and personal info, balance, and online avatar on a single account. It's a unified account.

Again, I'm not saying that the account system nintendo has in place is good, but it is by definition a unified account.

 

[netBuff]

I cant view my mac apps download history on my iphone, but nobody says that apple doesn't have a unified account system.

You're redefining what a unified account is. As one user, you can tie all your purchases, financial and personal info, balance, and online avatar on a single account. It's a unified account.

But you are ignoring the most important aspect of an "unified account system": Being able to log in on another model of the same system (without contacting support with a police report or jumping through any other kinds of hoops) and immediately being able to access everything associated with the ID.

Nintendo's account system is not "unified" in any sense that is relevant to the user.