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Anerythristic said:
They should try to port Dawn of War 2 titles to consoles. That is just brainstorming. I think they would work, buut I am bias as I am a big 40K fan, I even play the minature game. :D
I'd hate to test DoW2's micro on a controller. Stuff dies way too quickly.

I guess Relic would need to cut all of the current DPS by half, then it may work.
 
Hylian7 said:
I do wonder how S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 will do for them. THQ does publish the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series.
thq only published shadow of chernobyl. clear sky was published by deepsilver. call of pripyat by bitcomposer/vivamedia/1c. gsc will probably make new deals again when the time comes for s.t.a.l.k.e.r. 2. thq doesn't seem like a good fit for s.t.a.l.k.e.r. series anyway, as they seemed to want to direct the game a lot and make it more of what metro 2033 is, a linear/cinematic style fps. judging by call of pripyat, gsc definitely seem to want the game to go in the other direction being more open and dynamic. I guess thq should be applauded for pulling the strings together on shadow of chernobyl, as that game might not have ever come out without them hehe. but going forward gsc seem to have the management and restraint to take it wherever they want.
 
Dave Long said:
The first one did very well on Wii. Why wouldn't a sequel do well?

many games that do well on Wii have Bomba sequels. some people say it's because consumers are satisfied by the first game.

Neuromancer said:
I take umbrage at Saints Row being called a shitty GTA clone. It is, in reality, an awesome GTA clone.
i' go as far as calling it the GTA Heir
 
Sucks. THQ has become a personal favorite publisher of mine, which is surprising considering how poorly I thought of them a few years back.
 
Dave Long said:
The first one did very well on Wii. Why wouldn't a sequel do well?

Multiplatform late generation sequel in a saturated genre to a game that did very well but not insanely well and had good-not-great reception.

I can easily see it not doing as well.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Multiplatform late generation sequel in a saturated genre to a game that did very well but not insanely well and had good-not-great reception.

I can easily see it not doing as well.
Multiplatform is a problem. I didn't realize they were going that route.
 
Stumpokapow said:
also publishing Metro 2033; even if you didn't like it, partnering with Eastern Euro devs for a high quality, technology pushing PC game with an unusually good console port is a really thumbs up move. and then greenlighting a sequel because the low production cost creates breathing room for success even with modest sales.

and doing the RF:G giveaways that they've done a few times, which is an awesome and very pro-gamer promotional move.
Agreed on both points.


Now add the recent high-profile game maker partnerships they've announced to all that and gamers have quite a bit to look forward to from THQ. *clap*
 
Anerythristic said:
They should try to port Dawn of War 2 titles to consoles. That is just brainstorming. I think they would work, buut I am bias as I am a big 40K fan, I even play the minature game. :D
They're making a Warhammer 40k Gears/Serious Sam-esque TPS for the consoles.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Multiplatform late generation sequel in a saturated genre to a game that did very well but not insanely well and had good-not-great reception.

I can easily see it not doing as well.

it only ever had a chance of selling on the wii and there's no chance of that now

it's a c-tier franchise. third party sales have went down quite a bit on wii. they're also positioning the wii version as the shit/gimped version so no-one with any sense will buy it for that platform.
 
Dave Long said:
Multiplatform is a problem. I didn't realize they were going that route.
I believe its literally being built for Wii and upscaled for PS360 though. The game's simple geometry and textures should make it pretty easy to do, so they shouldn't have too many budget problems.
 
Opiate said:
And yes, THQ has done well over the past fiscal year. They were profitable for the three quarters preceding this -- but they were also unprofitable for the three years preceeding that. It's difficult to tell if those three quarters were an aberration in a still generally unprofitable system or if this quarter was an aberration for a company that is finally returning to profitability.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. And you may be remembering their recent history wrong.

They've lost money for the first two quarters of this fiscal year, and they lost money for the final quarter of the previous fiscal year. And they are expecting to lose money for the full fiscal year ending Mar/11.

Their big title for this fiscal year thus far was a big dud. UFC 2010 sold (shipped) roughly similar numbers to 2009, but actual sell-through was horrible, and THQ had to credit back tons of money to retail in order to cover the massive price-slashing that was necessary to move the game. UFC 2010 revenues were 40% below UFC 2009 even though shipment numbers were similar in the timeframe.

I certainly wouldn't say that they have done well recently.
 
another Warhammer online game coming? Are they fucking crazy! :lol

That right there, is the death of a company.
 
Opiate said:
My own personal analysis for those who care: we're about to enter a 2-3 year period where the major publishers, as a whole, manage to tread water. Which is an improvement over massively bleeding funds, of course. After that, it's going to depend on how the transition to next generation occurs.

Talking about Western publishers only? Console-space only? (Obviously third-party only, but just in case anyone was wondering ...)

Japanese-wise, 3DS adoption could help out quite a lot. Hopefully they don't follow Ubisoft's terrible model and use 3DS profits to fund HD losses.
 
Dalthien said:
Their big title for this fiscal year thus far was a big dud. UFC 2010 sold (shipped) roughly similar numbers to 2009, but actual sell-through was horrible, and THQ had to credit back tons of money to retail in order to cover the massive price-slashing that was necessary to move the game. UFC 2010 revenues were 40% below UFC 2009 even though shipment numbers were similar in the timeframe.
Once it is sold to retailers the publisher has got there money and no longer has to care. Shipped = sold. NeoGAF gospel. So it is made up, so it shall be pretended to be true.
 
Where did they get the money to sign deals with all that big name talent recently and how are they going to fund development for all those projects?
 
poppabk said:
Once it is sold to retailers the publisher has got there money and no longer has to care. Shipped = sold. NeoGAF gospel. So it is made up, so it shall be pretended to be true.
That may be true for mainstream media but the typical GAFfer is a little more discerning. Unused stock can and does count against profits when the publisher subsidizes unsold games.
 
SapientWolf said:
That may be true for mainstream media but the typical GAFfer is a little more discerning. Unused stock can and does count against profits when the publisher subsidizes unsold games.
I don't know about that. I would say that every single thread where shipped numbers are used, someone will say something to the effect of "Its sold as far as they [publisher] are concerned".
 
Mael said:
Well I guess some are happy that 3rd party games don't sell on Wii, heh?


Not really great considering when they released (practically) nothing on the 360/PS3 on this fiscal quarter.

Every game released elusively on the 360/PS3 from January all the way to mid October in 2010 from THQ:

-Darksiders - January
-World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars
- February
-Metro 2033 - March
-UFC 2010 Undisputed - May



Games released on the same period exclusively for the Nintendo DS & Wii from THQ:

-Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? Back to School – Wii, Nintendo DS
-Jeopardy! – Wii, Nintendo DS
-Megamind: The Blue Defender – Nintendo DS, PSP
-Megamind: Mega Team Unite – Wii
-Wheel of Fortune – Wii, Nintendo DS
-The Biggest Loser Challenge – Wii
-The Last Airbender – Wii, Nintendo DS
-Vampire Legends: Power of Three – Nintendo DS
-Truth or Lies -Wii
-All Star Karate - Wii
-Big Beach Sports 2 - Wii
-Daniel X: The Ultimate Power - DS
-SpongeBob's Boating Bash
-Fancy Nancy: Tea Party Time! – Nintendo DS
-Paws & Claws Regal Resort – Nintendo DS
-Scripps Spelling Bee – Nintendo DS
-Penguins of Madagascar – Nintendo DS
-Beat City
-Nancy Drew: The Model Mysteries


So on average, THQ released only 1or 2 games per fiscal quarter for the PS3/360 this year. While it's year round shovelware for the Nintendo Wii.
For that matter I think UFC Unleashed was released before their fiscal quarter, if so they literally released NO Xbox 360 or PS3 games after May & still somehow pulled in half as much as what they made off the Wii.

That or UFC Unleashed made half as much as all the Games on the Nintendo Wii & more than all the DS games in that quarter. Not really a strong point for Nintendo.
 
FTWer said:
Not really great considering when they released (practically) nothing on the 360/PS3 on this fiscal quarter.

Every game released elusively on the 360/PS3 from January all the way to mid October in 2010 from THQ:

-Darksiders - January
-World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars
- February
-Metro 2033 - March
-UFC 2010 Undisputed (THQ) – Xbox 360, PS3 - May

Metro 2033 and Darksiders aren't exlusive to the XBOX360 and PS3
 
PC?

THQ actually put some effort into their PC tailored content and I always assumed at least Relic's output is a decent earner.


Opiate said:
This is terrible reporting, which is par for the course for finance journalism. It's nearly as bad as science reporting.

Actual results, broken down by revenue per platform:

DS: ~$17M
360: ~$14M
Wii: ~$13M
PC: ~$10M
PS3: ~$9M
PSP: ~$7M
PS2: ~$2M
Wireless: ~$1.5M
.


Well this makes a lot more sense, thanks. So the PC is a bigger proportion of their income than the PS3 and yet its completely ignored in the op? SMH.

I'm surprised at that PSP figure, what's that made up of? Just ports of their Wii shovelware crap?
 
FTWer said:
The opening article didn't mention PC sales & Darksiders was just released for the PC.

That's because the opening "article" is a poorly researched piece of shit.
 
Neuromancer said:
I take umbrage at Saints Row being called a shitty GTA clone. It is, in reality, an awesome GTA clone.

It is, in reality, the best take on the GTA formula there is. Well, Saints Row 2 at least, they just need to sort out their technical problems.
 
brain_stew said:
PC?

THQ actually put some effort into their PC tailored content and I always assumed at least Relic's output is a decent earner.





Well this makes a lot more sense, thanks. So the PC is a bigger proportion of their income than the PS3 and yet its completely ignored in the op? SMH.

I'm surprised at that PSP figure, what's that made up of? Just ports of their Wii shovelware crap?


Again, for the quarter, they either released one game (UFC in May) for the 360/PC or none at all.
On the PC they released 4 games after that time period.
Here is a sorta complete list of 2010 released & soon to be released games by THQ:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/6374.html
 
FTWer said:
So on average, THQ released only 1or 2 games per fiscal quarter for the PS3/360 this year. While it's year round shovelware for the Nintendo Wii.
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Not really a strong point for THQ.

Fixed.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Later CY2011

THQgamesin2years.jpg


Wow. That looks like shit. Nothing but mediocre franchises that can't compete with the series they are trying to rip off. The best they got is Darksiders and I seriously see that becoming played out from all the blatant game ripoffs in it. For God's sake by the end you were using portal guns. As for the power of deblob, smackdown, and red faction these are not "buy new" titles. Smackdown's been shit for a decade now and the license will only pull it so much further.

By the way, if its not obvious by now...I hate THQ for half assing everything they throw out.
 
well, at least this failed reporting made me realize both De blob and Darksiders are getting sequels, that's good.

ps THQ will never do better than their classic, Family Dog.
 
FTWer said:
That or UFC Unleashed made half as much as all the Games on the Nintendo Wii & more than all the DS games in that quarter. Not really a strong point for Nintendo.
Why would this not be a strong point?
 
Opiate said:
This is terrible reporting, which is par for the course for finance journalism. It's nearly as bad as science reporting.

Actual results, broken down by revenue per platform:

DS: ~$17M
360: ~$14M
Wii: ~$13M
PC: ~$10M
PS3: ~$9M
PSP: ~$7M
PS2: ~$2M
Wireless: ~$1.5M

The DS "wins," but the quarter is marked mostly by the relatively equal balance amongst platforms, most likely a consequence of no major releases hitting on any single platform. Many times when you see the 360 (or Wii or whatever) do 4x the sales of another platform, it isn't because that platform is so much better for games than the others are, it's that the company released a major game on that platform exclusively (or a set of platforms to the exclusion of others), and this creates enormous spikes in revenue.

And yes, THQ has done well over the past fiscal year. They were profitable for the three quarters preceding this -- but they were also unprofitable for the three years preceeding that. It's difficult to tell if those three quarters were an aberration in a still generally unprofitable system or if this quarter was an aberration for a company that is finally returning to profitability.

My own personal analysis for those who care: we're about to enter a 2-3 year period where the major publishers, as a whole, manage to tread water. Which is an improvement over massively bleeding funds, of course. After that, it's going to depend on how the transition to next generation occurs.

Fantastic post.
 
Haunted said:
I'm not a fan of Saints Row, and Volition is now working on SR3 instead of making the next Freespace.
Space combat sims are dead. Deal with it. And I'm one of the genre's biggest fans having played through all of them since the WC1 days.

Bring on SR3! SR2 was awesome and far more fun than GTA4 for me.
 
Actually surprised about the DS >.< I thought no third parties were making money on it... well, judging by output... Although THQ hasnt been completely shovelwarely on it at least. Not as bad as Ubi anyway.

And yeah, lol, what stupid reporting, I knew PC was a big slice and they just ignore it completely...
 
markot said:
Actually surprised about the DS >.< I thought no third parties were making money on it... well, judging by output... Although THQ hasnt been completely shovelwarely on it at least. Not as bad as Ubi anyway.

they're actually alright on the DS. age of empires was really good as was viva pinata. they also published two 5th cell games (always awesome).

Their 3DS lineup fucking sucks though, and it wont get better seeing as they wont be publishing microsoft or 5th cell games.
 
farnham said:
im stunned that they dont put darksiders on wii. its a quality zelda clone and the next zelda game is not going to be released anytime soon.
No (easy enough) path from UE3 to Wii. Blame Epic who are busy making iPhone games.
 
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