or the new Windows 10 warning that pops up if you're using Chrome or Firefox to say they're power inefficient and you should use Edge:
Can they do it yeah, will they do it no it would be platform suicide.
You mean a DRM plan that was reversed before it even launched? And since when is GFWL the same as deliberately sabotaging a competitors service?Yep. Since then we've experienced several other initiatives by MS that aimed at limiting consumer choice and freedom in order to strengthen their hold on key markets. DRM for the Bone being the most recent.
And then you've got the whole GFWL fiasco.
No, it sounds like a scenario envisioned by someone familiar with Microsoft's MO.It really sounds paranoid
That's the main issue. He isn't saying he "thinks" this will happen. He's saying it will in fact happen and it is in fact happening already. That's some crazy accusation right there.
Looks like Tim isn't the only one who needs a tinfoil hat judging by this thread.
Instead of making only a joke post here is some reading material for some of you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
I would have loved this sort of notification system years ago when I was trying to get as much power out of my system as possible, it's a non issue to me now, also I think it's a bit over the top to say it's a misuse of the notification system, it's not forcing you to do anything (however I do see where you are coming from). In regards to Google hooking into windows services, when you visit Google in IE is the user not presented with 'why not use Chrome, it's the best' adds? Genuine question as I'm a Chrome user and in work ATM so cannot test.As owner of the OS it's a misuse of the notification system. It may or may not be true this week, but that really doesn't matter. They can run all the full page ads or sponsored content in magazines and websites that they like, or even run a huge banner ad when you start up Windows 10.
Should Google also be allowed to hook into Windows services to spy on what other apps are doing (Edge crashes 50% more often than other leading browsers, why not use Chrome?). But then they're not in a position where their competing browser automatically comes installed with the OS. We've pretty much been through this before, when Microsoft decided it was time to cut off Netscape's air supply. They've only recently come out from under anti-trust supervision for that one, yet already seem to falling back to old patterns of behaviour.
I get what your saying about it being a backwards way of looking at thing however sitting in work right now, working in the banking industry for 15+ years the idea that the bank I work for (and ones I have previously) will be anywhere near close to switching to UWP in 5 years+ makes me laugh. The industry is so reliant on old systems the migration process would be an industry in itself. My wife is a teacher, the education system is just a bad. UK gaffer here, no idea what the rest of the world would be like, I did work for a US bank for a number of years who were better from an IT perspective, they still relied on some very old systems however.This is kind of a backwards way of looking at it. They want those apps to go UWP so they can take cuts from them, so in reality they're in exactly the same precarious position that PC games are in now.
I don't doubt for a second that they're very slowly doing this. 'Embrace, Extend and Extinguish' is in Microsoft's DNA, and I don't believe for a second that just because different people (who have been with the company for years, and were part of the old guard's toxic culture) are running the show that the company has materially changed.
Whether this is extreme or not, I think people just saying this is tinfoil hat stuff are not looking into Microsoft's past too much.
Honestly? I'm expecting that Microsoft will realise that Xbox Play Anywhere won't save the Windows 10 Store and subsequently the wider Metro project. Considering that the Win10Store has been on life support since pretty much day one of its life as the Windows 8 Store, Microsoft's loyalty to it has been admirable and really quite stupid.
lol I agree on both these points .Will eat crow and downgrade to Win7 if this turns out true.
True, MS have pulled some shit back then, but they are not the same unstoppable force like they were in the 90s.
They don't have that much control in tech anymore. If they try something like the past, their competitions will eat them alive. Openness is they only advantage they have, they won't risk that.
They're heavily pushing an executable format that is incompatible with elements of Steam like the overlay, and that directly works against key features of Steam (e.g. serving a wide array of modded/user-generated content). It is already happening.
Honestly? I'm expecting that Microsoft will realise that Xbox Play Anywhere won't save the Windows 10 Store and subsequently the wider Metro project. Considering that the Win10Store has been on life support since pretty much day one of its life as the Windows 8 Store, Microsoft's loyalty to it has been admirable and really quite stupid.Do people expect that, for example, future iterations of DirectX will support Win32 indefinitely?
I think I have footage of what Sweeney was doing before he posted that Tweet:
What a load of fucking nonsense.
During the United States Microsoft antitrust case in 1998, Intel vice president Steven McGeady, a witness called by the government, said on the stand that a senior executive at Microsoft told him in 1995 of his company's intention to "cut off Netscape's air supply". A Microsoft attorney said that McGeady's testimony is not credible.[15]
Valve (And Blizzard. And EA. And Riot) would sooner abandon Windows for Linux than bow down to UWP.
Surely Microsoft isn't foolish enough.
So it's not just me. Someone less understanding might think their chosen application is having problems and continue to use the Microsoft suggested alternative. People like us ask to see the receipts and its clear theres no excuse for this shit.This is literally happening on my PC right now.
Had all my video/audio associations set to Media Player Classic, but then all of a sudden everything got switched to MS's Groove player.
MPC wouldn't even show up when setting default apps; I had to completely uninstall and reinstall the software.
MS is shady as fuck.
Valve (And Blizzard. And EA. And Riot) would sooner abandon Windows for Linux than bow down to UWP.
Surely Microsoft isn't foolish enough.
The only way UWA replace win32 in the future, is because UWA will be superior then, not some scummy tactic.
PC gamers are way to smart to let that happen, give us some credit Sweeney.
Fascinating. Tim always seems to just say and post whatever's on his mind and it's enjoyable to read. Seems a tad extreme, though. We'll see.
Wouldn't a move like that kill MS' complete B2B operation?
It's a pretty dicey game Microsoft are playing if true. This isn't like trying to shift an ad-hoc access of the internet from one service to another, this is actively looking to cut off users from a service that has huge monetary investment from their users.
For those with catalogues in the hundreds, there isn't going to be a simple "just swap" decision: people are going to switch to Valve's alternative OS, they are going to rip copies of Win 8 off the net / run from archive Win 10 versions. There is going to have to be a huge critical mass to get people shifting their catalogues from one ecosystem to the next. The amount of necessary double dipping is mind boggling.
This is where this all falls flat on its face.
All the people who are calling this crazy are too young to remember before Microsoft pushed out most of the competition in the OS market and then so many other markets after that.
Any one remember Netscape Navigator? You probably couldn't be reading this forum without the contributions they made to the web and they are gone now because of Internet Explorer's monopoly. (United States v. Microsoft Corp.)
It could happen again to Valve. This is precisely reason Valve is pushing their games and other publishers to support Linux/SteamOS. The sooner gaming can ditch Windows and DirectX the better.
In short Gaben is LITERALLY PC gaming's messiah. OpenGL forever!
How can MS convince everyone to choose an inferior alternative, if Win32 is as good as he says it is, then developers won't care to choose UWA.
I'm shocked at the reactions in this thread. Tim Sweeny is one of the smartest guys in the industry. Microsoft have tried this many times before (sometimes they got caught and failed). They may not be doing it, they may decide the PR is not worth it, but they've been refusing to deny doing it and talking around the issue which itself should be worrying enough.