dr_rus
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Driver Signing changes in Windows 10, version 1607
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
Driver Signing changes in Windows 10, version 1607
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
Driver Signing changes in Windows 10, version 1607
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
So there will not be nvidia beta drivers and game ready drivers unless they have been put through the signing process which as far as I can remember could take up to 2 weeks?
Am I reading that right?
If so, that's worthy of a thread on its own.
The big one is the Turn off Microsoft consumer experiences policy. We have talked about the feature previously. It powers among other things the installation of third-party apps and extra links on Windows 10.
So, if you did not want Candy Crush to be pushed to your operating system, you'd disable the policy to block that from happening.
The change prevents Windows 10 Pro users from enabling the policy to block third-party application installations or links.
Driver Signing changes in Windows 10, version 1607
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
Driver Signing changes in Windows 10, version 1607
No more beta drivers and hotfixes for us, yay.
Tim is sure paranoid.
Wait for //build/ we were told.
Wait for Anniversary Update we were then told.
Waiting is just giving them time to implement/take away stuff.
That doesn't really have much to do with Steam. Besides, it's not like it's a new thing. The server versions have had that feature since 2012R2, if memory serves. Annoying? Absolutely. Ruining Steam? I can't see how.
It's a perfect example of MS changing the s/w policy overnight making something which was working previously impossible on a new version. Considering that they're also removing the ability to stop automatic updates even in Pro version you can certainly see where this is going.
It's a perfect example of MS changing the s/w policy overnight making something which was working previously impossible on a new version. Considering that they're also removing the ability to stop automatic updates even in Pro version you can certainly see where this is going.
Please explain to me how this affects Steam. Also, it's not impossible to install unsigned drivers.
Please elaborate. What's the work around?
This doesn't even make sense.
The policy was announced in April 2015, they just haven't enforced it until now.
Oh, I'm sure they'll announce the deprecation of Win32 on some Build as well but won't "enforce" it for some time so that everyone would calm down and forget about it.
Of course it doesn't.
We were told to wait for //build/ before getting upset on here. We waited, nothing really came out of it, just more vague PR.
We were then told by people on here to wait for Anniversary before being upset...
We waited, and more features are being stripped.
So as we are told to be silent and wait, we are watching this shit happen. Shall we contine to be quiet and wait? Or can we voice our concerns yet?
Or is telling us to wait, 'working as intended'?
How does this even relate to driver signing and Steam? You're probably talking about UWP.
If it does prevent graphic card manufacturers to provide hotfix driver releases I see how it makes gaming on steam worse.
UWP/MS store is not affected as much because of the certification process.
Oh, I'm sure they'll announce the deprecation of Win32 on some Build as well but won't "enforce" it for some time so that everyone would calm down and forget about it.
It's a perfect example of MS changing the s/w policy overnight making something which was working previously impossible on a new version. Considering that they're also removing the ability to stop automatic updates even in Pro version you can certainly see where this is going.
Last year, we announced that beginning with the release of Windows 10, all new Windows 10 kernel mode drivers must be submitted to the Windows Hardware Developer Center Dashboard portal (Dev Portal) to be digitally signed by Microsoft. However, due to technical and ecosystem readiness issues, this was not enforced by Windows Code Integrity and remained only a policy statement.
if the drivers for your hardware are already signed by "Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher", Microsoft already signed 'em.
so "Microsoft has to sign all my drivers now" isn't changing very much at all.
Another example of Microsoft removing features from W10
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/
UWP is just as much affected as Steam. Both stores (and Uplay, Battle.net etc.) have to wait for the hotfixes to get certified, as it looks. If Microsoft had allowed unsigned drivers from a few select companies to be delivered immediatly through the Store, while not allowing unsigned drivers to be installed via the normal delivery methods, the matter would be different, but this is not the case.
UWP is just as much affected as Steam. Both stores (and Uplay, Battle.net etc.) have to wait for the hotfixes to get certified, as it looks. If Microsoft had allowed unsigned drivers from a few select companies to be delivered immediatly through the Store, while not allowing unsigned drivers to be installed via the normal delivery methods, the matter would be different, but this is not the case.
If MS absolutely wants to destroy it's Windows userbase so let it be. They demonstrated with Xbox One how badly their decisions can turn out. If they think they can turn Windows 10 in something like a walled Xbox garden for PC gamers then I will for sure embrace a Linux distro on my PC.
Now you might even have to hunt for special hardware to do that too now that the mandate for the ability to disable secure boot is gone. MS may even have the keys for which OS you can boot.
UWA games on W10 require MS cert to patch, whereas titles on any other storefront can be patched as soon as a fix is ready to deploy.
If a patch needs to be made in conjunction with latest videocard drivers, then a UWA title can potentially lose that cert requirement disadvantage as the patch will make no difference on any platform without the associated driver patch, and the driver patch can be delayed so it is rolled out simultaneously with the software patch.
Yes, but MS has additionally certification for their store holding off game releases compared with other stores. Requiring the delayed release of "game ready" drivers they can bridge the gap between their store and others. Parity
I'm not saying this is MS expressed plan, but slow neglect of the needs of WIn32 (legacy) gaming helps their store.
Now you might even have to hunt for special hardware to do that too now that the mandate for the ability to disable secure boot is gone. MS may even have the keys for which OS you can boot.
Wut? You are attempting to draw a rather rediculous parallel here. What I'm saying is people who make drivers, knew, thanks to official statements, that this day was coming for a year and a half. Nothing changed "overnight".
This thread is about MS flipping a switch and destroying everything that allows a 3rd party marketplace to thrive. Hardly comparable.
People who make software will know of MS plans ahead as well. Wait, Tim Sweeney is making software isn't he?.. Valve's not-so-recent push into Linux/SteamOS was prompted by what I wonder?..
Some people can't see the forest among the trees, nothing new. The signs are here already, and no, Tim isn't paranoid at all.
People who make software will know of MS plans ahead as well. Wait, Tim Sweeney is making software isn't he?.. Valve's not-so-recent push into Linux/SteamOS was prompted by what I wonder?..
Some people can't see the forest among the trees, nothing new. The signs are here already, and no, Tim isn't paranoid at all.
If he had knowledge of an actual plot he would just say so.
What has changed with regards to Secure Boot?
now that the mandate for the ability to disable secure boot is gone
Not in the age of NDAs.
The notion that Microsoft only now enforces it in order to remove the "no-certification advantage" that Steam has, is bordering on conspiracy theory level.
The new Windows 10 update apparently Fuchs up the font for Russian users on Steam, compresses other fonts too, and is making Steam harder to load for some people going by the STEAM GA topic of what people are posting.
Mmm-hmn.
I haven't got that, but Steam now gives me some absurd tearing when scrolling now. The only changes since 3 hours ago are the Windows Update & my Mobo Bios update, both of which happened simultaneously since Windows decided to jump on to my mobo bios restart.
Also some Windows annoyances from this new update:
- All the apps I removed are back
- MS Edge and Win Store are back on my taskbar
- I initially found 6 apps had changed privacy settings as soon as I returned post-update, a few hours later now and there are now 17 more apps that have been added with privacy settings I have to change from my preferred options.
- "Get Office" and "One Note" apps have returned, despite the fact I have Office 2016. The two One Notes now seem to conflict with eachother. Hopefully removing the more recent will fix that, which I'll try now.
- AAC files can not be set to itunes as the default app (bizarrely). Groove is the default, and I can only seem to change it to VLC. iTunes has been the home of my AAC files for years. No idea what is going on
Installed the Anniversary Update (Build 14393.10). It has so far broken Steam Big Picture for me; it detects every input twice (and it's detected as 2 XInput devices within Big Picture settings). Can anyone confirm they're seeing the same problem?
I'm amazed how MS has kept screwing up this driver now. I'm almost ready to don my tin foil hat and fall in with Tim Sweeney. Not quite, but it really is frustrating.
I haven't got that, but Steam now gives me some absurd tearing when scrolling now. The only changes since 3 hours ago are the Windows Update & my Mobo Bios update, both of which happened simultaneously since Windows decided to jump on to my mobo bios restart.
Also some Windows annoyances from this new update:
- All the apps I removed are back
- MS Edge and Win Store are back on my taskbar
- I initially found 6 apps had changed privacy settings as soon as I returned post-update, a few hours later now and there are now 17 more apps that have been added with privacy settings I have to change from my preferred options.
- "Get Office" and "One Note" apps have returned, despite the fact I have Office 2016. The two One Notes now seem to conflict with eachother. Hopefully removing the more recent will fix that, which I'll try now.
- AAC files can not be set to itunes as the default app (bizarrely). Groove is the default, and I can only seem to change it to VLC. iTunes has been the home of my AAC files for years. No idea what is going on
Yikes.
this makes me so glad i passed on the upgrade - holy crap at the above
Cross posting this from the Xbox One Controller driver thread:
Can anyone confirm they're seeing this as well?
It has been impending for longer than that.Doom has been impending for a year now, lol.
I don't have that problem. BPM seems to have reset itself, showing all the old tutorial messages at the bottom, but that could easily be something on Valve's end
I haven't got that, but Steam now gives me some absurd tearing when scrolling now. The only changes since 3 hours ago are the Windows Update & my Mobo Bios update, both of which happened simultaneously since Windows decided to jump on to my mobo bios restart.
Also some Windows annoyances from this new update:
- All the apps I removed are back
- MS Edge and Win Store are back on my taskbar
- I initially found 6 apps had changed privacy settings as soon as I returned post-update, a few hours later now and there are now 17 more apps that have been added with privacy settings I have to change from my preferred options.
- "Get Office" and "One Note" apps have returned, despite the fact I have Office 2016. The two One Notes now seem to conflict with eachother. Hopefully removing the more recent will fix that, which I'll try now.
- AAC files can not be set to itunes as the default app (bizarrely). Groove is the default, and I can only seem to change it to VLC. iTunes has been the home of my AAC files for years. No idea what is going on
Can confirm I don't have that problem.Cross posting this from the Xbox One Controller driver thread:
Can anyone confirm they're seeing this as well?
Oh ic, so Sweeney he signed an NDA saying he can't tell the world about this plot to destroy Steam.
If there is an NDA, he's surely already violated it.
That is shitty, I don't recall ANY of the above happening to my desktop when I updated.
Can confirm I don't have that problem.
Well this certainly has happened to me. The taskbar stuff is a mild inconvenience, but the apps is annoying as hell. Skype is now installed and auto logs in throwing notifications at me, so I have to sign out and delete the thing - again. Other new additions / re-eneabled background apps include 3dbuilder, connect, contact support, feedback hub, films and TV, get office, get started, messaging, edge, microsoft wifi, money, news, one note, paid wifi & mobile, people, phone, photos, skype preview, sway, twitter, voice recorder. Skype, messaging and twitter also activated the "let apps access my contacts" setting, which I switched off prior.
On topic of Steam, I have tearing when scrolling, BPM seems to think I've never used it before, and that's about it