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[dolemite]

To save the Burmese from themselves, of course:

That's why it's time to consider a more serious option: invading Burma. Some observers, including former USAID director Andrew Natsios, have called on the US to unilaterally begin air drops to the Burmese people regardless of what the junta says.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1739053,00.html?cnn=yes
Figuratively invade, that is.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

in before "not enough Oil"

 

[Crushed]

 

[RiZ III]

Ivade??!! Whaaa? O I see, an invasion of looove.

 

[Zenith]

UN and US have already pointed out how stupid airdrops are in this case because they're fucking expensive which translates to less aid, plus without people on the ground to clear the area, etc someone could die from having a gigantic crate lan on top of their house.

 

[kIdMuScLe]

Ok. Why US? How come not another fucking country? Why not Europe, China, Russia? I hate this now. Every time there is a fucking disaster in the world we, the US, have to be there. FUCK YOU PPL!!!

**puts on headphones and listens to "God Bless America"**

 

[Gantz]

Just what I was thinking as well :lol

 

[Solaros]

But there is

not enough Oil

there.

 

[Dali]

The Bush Administration has so far rejected the idea — "I can't imagine us going in without the permission of the Myanmar government," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday...

:lol :lol

Yeah that would never happen.


I don't see any problem with ignoring the host government in this case. Of course I understand the other concerns as far as strain on us, but the concerns of the Myanmar junta over their airspace are relatively negligible. It's not troops on the ground, it's grudgingly invading their airspace to help people they aren't. As the article has pointed out it wouldn't be precedent-setting either. Now if it were expanded to forced entry of troops and peace keepers, then I could understand the Burmese government's concerns.

 

[thefit]

Do you know whats gonna happen to anyone caught taking supplies from US air drops? Anyway this administration doesn't give a shit.

 

[sky]

This situation is so effed.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

 

[Gaborn]

We can't do it, we don't have the man power unless we're willing to pull out of one of the hundred plus countries we're in around the world. Might I suggest South Korea since Iraq will never happen?

 

[Star Power]

Well, the situation there is terrible and definitely falls under the guidelines for humanitarian intervention/R2P so I wouldn't really be opposed to military action of some sort in order to help...

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

I agree with this though.

 

[Souther]

"The Bush Administration has so far rejected the idea — "I can't imagine us going in without the permission of the Myanmar government," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday..."

Hmmm...Since when has the Bush Administration ever asked for permission?

 

[worldrunover]

IT'S MYANMAR. WTF people.

 

[Love To Love You Baby]

IT'S MYANMAR. WTF people.

Every thread someone posts something like this. And in every thread there is a response about how the junta renamed the country in the 80s - and it is not an internationally recognized name. Myanmar is the name the repressive military regime gave the country - it is not the real name.

 

[Dali]

IT'S MYANMAR. WTF people.

It's Myanmar, but the Time article refers to it as the Burmese government.

Actually, I just noticed the author of the Time article calls it Burma throughout. I guess he's some sort of activist or hasn't gotten the memo.

Every thread someone posts something like this. And in every thread there is a response about how the junta renamed the country in the 80s - and it is not an internationally recognized name. Myanmar is the name the repressive military regime gave the country - it is not the real name.

Whether you accept the government or not, that's what they've named the country. It's like Iran is called Iran even though it's Persia.

 

[avatar299]

"The Bush Administration has so far rejected the idea — "I can't imagine us going in without the permission of the Myanmar government," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday..."

Hmmm...Since when has the Bush Administration ever asked for permission?

When they invaded iraq?

 

[DyTonic]

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

Well said.

 

[S. L.]

Ok. Why US? How come not another fucking country? Why not Europe, China, Russia? I hate this now. Every time there is a fucking disaster in the world we, the US, have to be there. FUCK YOU PPL!!!

**puts on headphones and listens to "God Bless America"**

Time and CNN are American organizations?

 

[Zenith]

Actually, I just noticed the author of the Time article calls it Burma throughout. I guess he's some sort of activist or hasn't gotten the memo.

...

the only people who don't call it Burma are the ones who seem to want to make a point about how culturally insensitive we all are. its name on the map is Burma. we are taught in Geography that the country is called Burma. why would you be so intentionally stupid as to try and label the author as an "activist"?

 

[Weenerz]

I hate politics, we won't give them aid because they won't let us into their country. Why don't we just drop the aid off at a port and go about our own business instead of trying to inject ourselves into every country.


Or just not help them at all and take care of our own.

 

[scorcho]

the US shouldn't act irrespective of the international community, but in situations like this there exists a universal responsibility to protect the citizens of a recalcitrant government/regime. i'd support massive food and aid drops, though real help can't be provided without a flood of medical teams to prevent a quick spread of waterborne diseases.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Ok. Why US? How come not another fucking country? Why not Europe, China, Russia? I hate this now. Every time there is a fucking disaster in the world we, the US, have to be there. FUCK YOU PPL!!!

**puts on headphones and listens to "God Bless America"**

Uhm, there's like a whole bunch of other countries helping out there.

 

[Love To Love You Baby]

Whether you accept the government or not, that's what they've named the country. It's like Iran is called Iran even though it's Persia.

The English name the Burmese people gave their country - Union of Burma - after they gained independence from Britain > the name a repressive military regime gave the country.

Most international bodies don't accept the name change. Which is why the author called it "Burma" throughout.

The name change to Iran isn't really comparable.

 

[lopaz]

the Burmese peopl actually want it though, the protests were a cry for the international community to remove the government, whether through economic activity or war. And by blocking the aid, they could be condemning hundreds of thousands of people to die, which is a serious crime and possibly warrants action

 

[Gaborn]

Whether you accept the government or not, that's what they've named the country. It's like Iran is called Iran even though it's Persia.

So... Germany, or Deutschland?

 

[avatar299]

I hate politics, we won't give them aid because they won't let us into their country. Why don't we just drop the aid off at a port and go about our own business instead of trying to inject ourselves into every country.


.

Yeah let's just airdrop food. Everyone will just rush up to it in an orderly fashion and munch down while the Junta shakes their fist at the sky

 

[Dali]

So... Germany, or Deutschland?

Espana or Spain?
Estados Unidos or United States?
Alemania or Germany?

Federal Republic of Germany is the official English name of the country. I'm not getting your point here.

The English name the Burmese people gave their country - Union of Burma - after they gained independence from Britain > the name a repressive military regime gave the country.

Most international bodies don't accept the name change. Which is why the author called it "Burma" throughout.

The name change to Iran isn't really comparable.

But most Iranians I know identify themselves as Persians. If your argument is what the people want to be called should be the official name then it is comparable to Iran.

...

the only people who don't call it Burma are the ones who seem to want to make a point about how culturally insensitive we all are. its name on the map is Burma. we are taught in Geography that the country is called Burma. why would you be so intentionally stupid as to try and label the author as an "activist"?

Intentionally stupid? Fuck you. Turn on the news you idiot. Myanmar is used just as often as Burma, if not more so. Go to the cnn.com homepage and the link to that exact same Time article has the title changed to "Time to invade Myanmar".

 

[Xeke]

Why the hell does the name matter?:lol

Oh gaf.

 

[dolemite]

Didn't Alexander the Great put an end to the Persian state? That's what my history teacher told me.

 

[Xeke]

Didn't Alexander the Great put an end to the Persian state? That's what my history teacher told me.

No. There have been many persian states.

 

[avatar299]

But most Iranians I know identify themselves as Persians. If your argument is what the people want to be called should be the official name then it is comparable to Iran.

My neighbor is "Persian" and the reason why she calls herself that is becuase she despises the culture in Iran right now. I'm not sure Persians should be your defense.

 

[Tideas]

the US don't have to do anything.

Tell China to invade Burma to help them. Or UK. Or France. Or Germany. Or Japan.

They're all rich enough

 

[whitehawk]

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

This

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

"Persian" is the dominant ethnic group in the country of Iran. Iranian kurds, for example, are not Persian. It is nothing like this Burma/Myanmar name debate.

 

[Dali]

My neighbor is "Persian" and the reason why she calls herself that is becuase she despises the culture in Iran right now. I'm not sure Persians should be your defense.

My defense is the common sense that the people in charge of a country get to name the country. When we look back at history it will say "...while under this regime the country came to be known as Myanmar. In 20xx when the military junta was replaced the people of Myanmar changed the name of the country back to Burma (or chose another name or whatever)."

"Persian" is the dominant ethnic group in the country of Iran. Iranian kurds, for example, are not Persian. It is nothing like this Burma/Myanmar name debate.

Until fairly recently in history the area called Iran was called Persia. So in one usage "Persian" can refer to an ethnic group but in another it can be seen as a synonym for Iranian: an indication of nationality. I always understood the Persian people I knew to be using it as their nationality not necessarily their ethnicity. Especially sense it was usually in response to a direct question like "where are you from"?

 

[Tideas]

a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet

 

[Walshicus]

My defense is the common sense that the people in charge of a country get to name the country. When we look back at history it will say "...while under this regime the country came to be known as Myanmar. In 20xx when the military junta was replaced the people of Myanmar changed the name of the country back to Burma (or chose another name or whatever)."

Meh, who cares what the Burmese government wants to call itself?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The Rambo pictures in threads about Burma aren't really funny anymore, if they were at all, and are actually a little tasteless.

 

[dolemite]

That last Rambo movie created the impression that Burma is like a small village with a handful of people and a bunch of thugs/soldiers running the show. But 55 million is like WoW.

 

[ronito]

let us help you! OR ELSE!!!

 

[Raistlin]

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

While I get your point, from a purely humanitarian point-of-view ... Burma is obviously a WAY more immediate problem.

 

[Zeed]

Intentionally stupid?

Yeah it's a poor choice of words. "Intentionally ignorant" seems more accurate.

 

[JdFoX187]

I was at work and hadn't really paid any attention to the news of a cyclone in Burma. I see this story on CNN that says something about 100,000 possible dead in Burma. The first thing I thought was "Did Rambo do it?" I'm so going to hell.

Before we begin FLYING SUPPLIES TO BURMA, why don't we help these folks:

in New Orleans first?

And I agree with this 110 percent. It's rather sad how fast we can react to these third world countries when natural disasters hit them, but it takes us forever to get to New Orleans.

 

[Tideas]

I was at work and hadn't really paid any attention to the news of a cyclone in Burma. I see this story on CNN that says something about 100,000 possible dead in Burma. The first thing I thought was "Did Rambo do it?" I'm so going to hell.


And I agree with this 110 percent. It's rather sad how fast we can react to these third world countries when natural disasters hit them, but it takes us forever to get to New Orleans.

red tapes. It's all about the red tapes. America's the biggest beaurocratic nation in the world.

Remember? Independence of state and nation?

 

[Sol..]

the US don't have to do anything.

Tell China to invade Burma to help them. Or UK. Or France. Or Germany. Or Japan.

They're all rich enough

Exactly.

A. China is closer
B. China has trillians of dollars in reserve

Spoiler

not to mention people ZING

 

[reaver18]

sadly I have no idea where burma is.

 

[Dali]

Yeah it's a poor choice of words. "Intentionally ignorant" seems more accurate.

I always wondered about Zenith, but I thought you at least had a little sense. Care to elaborate on why whatever you think is soooo superior and makes me "intentionally ignorant". I hope it's not what I replied to regarding Zenith as what he was saying actually is true ignorance as made evident by watching or reading any sort of coverage on Myanmar/Burma.