Sorry, can't say that I do. You admitted yourself that you know very little about how games get graphically enhanced, yet you go on to assume a bunch of PS4 games will automatically get enhanced. They don't just wave a magic wand to do that, there's effort involved.
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TIME Interview: Shawn Layden on the PlayStation 4 Neo, VR, Mobile, and more.
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Tatsumi Oga
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Interesting how he's downplaying a power advantage, but....ok. Is that more or less confirmation that those reported specs are set in stone? Because why else say that?
Not that it will matter all that much though, look at what Sony devs already squeeze out of PS4.
Not that it will matter all that much though, look at what Sony devs already squeeze out of PS4.
BleedOrange
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They aren't, and that's the point.
They are, and that's Shawn's point. It's the same way that all developers I know would say Call of Duty is the same experience on XBox One and PS4, just at a higher resolution.
A whole lot of people, and especially developers, are not referring to resolution or graphical effects quality when they talk about a game experience.
Edit - Of course I agree that graphics are part of an 'experience' in a holistic sense, I just mean it's not typically how things are talked about, and if you read the sentence in the interview he is saying with 100% clarity that graphics are going to be different.
You're playing the same games. I essentially got the same experience playing COD on my PS4 as someone who played it on PC. Or BF4 on my PS4 as someone who played it on PC. Sure it looked a bit better on PC and maybe ran a bit smoother but it's the same experience.
Do you think a Neo version of Uncharted 4 will be a drastic change from the base game? Sure it looks a bit better but that's it.
This is exactly why I have no interest in a 4K TV atm. Beyond the fact that I can't even tell the difference between my 768p TV and a 1080p screen from couch distance, my 768p TV from 2006 still works great, looks great, and has little to no lag.
P.S. it's a Sony!
If they can manage to make it run at 60 fps, that would enhance the gameplay experience.
I would buy a Scorpio day one if it meant I could play Forza Horizon at 60 fps.
To a lot of people, framerate matters, and if these new consoles boost framerates, I'm psyched.
lazer_bean
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I'm not assuming a bunch of games will be automatically enhanced.
It will be a requirement for all new games to have Neo mode come October and t will be patched in existing games.
I didn't say or imply it would be "automatic" but I read multiple times how (relatively) easy and little time consuming Sony made it for devs to "go Neo" A lot easier than having to deal with a PC"
I'm not sure you noticed but my comment was replying to a poster paraphrasing Layden. I was basically asking why he was saying that Neo can't be shown only because there are no games to show for it when the physical console obviously doesn't exist. I just found it odd, that's all. Not that it matters.
WTH? He literally said nothing and/or agreed with a lot of Phil's sentiments, but sure let's praise him and tell everyone he did an amazing job and all that good PR vs MS being horrible for doing what?
FFS the narrative some of you guys chase is ridiculous. Both Phil and Shawn gave good interviews about the future of their brands and neither of them announced or committed to a specific spec or anything like that.
Hell Shawn was even vague about it, but sure since you guys took Phil's interview as an announcement that the Scorpio has a 980 inside well I guess I can understand some of you reacting this way for not really reading at all.
I don't get how you can take speculation as facts.
MS did not reveal their specs at all. If anything they talked about what they are aiming for. More concrete specs came from the Neo leak than from MS.
I get that some of the messaging is more clear with Sony, but it is still a lie. If you don't think Sony or any developer will eventually make game that will be only playable on Neo then I have bad news for you.
FFS the narrative some of you guys chase is ridiculous. Both Phil and Shawn gave good interviews about the future of their brands and neither of them announced or committed to a specific spec or anything like that.
Hell Shawn was even vague about it, but sure since you guys took Phil's interview as an announcement that the Scorpio has a 980 inside well I guess I can understand some of you reacting this way for not really reading at all.
I don't get how you can take speculation as facts.
MS did not reveal their specs at all. If anything they talked about what they are aiming for. More concrete specs came from the Neo leak than from MS.
I get that some of the messaging is more clear with Sony, but it is still a lie. If you don't think Sony or any developer will eventually make game that will be only playable on Neo then I have bad news for you.
But you're still being dismissive of the effort required just because they said "easier". Easier doesn't mean every developer instantly has the time to prepare a Neo mode for their games. And every game isn't going to allow the same approach to whatever Neo mode is. If alpha/beta dev kits have only started circulating over the past few months, there's a good chance they're still waiting on devs to produce a critical mass of solid examples of what the Neo hardware can do.
I doubt that Layden meant that it is absolutely *only* because of games, but rather that it's the larger driving factor for when would be appropriate to officially reveal the PS4K. I think we can safely assume the hardware is probably going to have a chassis largely reminiscent of the PS4 and we basically know the chipset that they can affordably target for a release within the next 6 months or so. But whenever they do finalize the hardware, showing it off will be meaningless without a solid catalog of games with Neo modes that truly show off the value proposition of the new hardware. I think they're mostly just saying hardware alone is not enough to commit to the official reveal.
Obscuritas
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At least the "smartphone business model is viable for consoles" argument is dead.
JonathanPower
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Yeah, bigger differences being CPU and HBM2 memory. According to the rumored specs, Neo is just an upgraded PS4, while Scoprio a true next gen system.
Uhh, well, you might want to listen closer to the things Microsoft is saying.
therealbigrich
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Just happy Sony should be releasing 1st and MS has a year to study they right and wrongs instead of just releasing wrong
JonathanPower
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I am only talking from a hw point of view.
crab rangoon
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That might have more to do with the forum you are reading it on than it does the actual interviews being conducted.
NotSmartEnough
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Toadthemushroom
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Definitely. I just think it's going to be greater than other mid-gen refreshes that offered the same core experience (DSi, New 3DS), only because of the mandate that all developers have to support Neo. So it's clearly communicating that Neo will play all games, better.
But yeah, anecdotally I know a lot of people who don't want to upgrade to New 3DS, even with the improvements beyond processing power (Amiibo, NFC, Better battery life, better industrial design, improved screens etc. etc), so it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out in the console space.