Came in indifferent to the idea. Leaving kinda hyped for the idea. She has a really cool design.
This made me laugh.
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But she will still exist.
This made me laugh.
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But she will still exist.
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Time: Marvels New Iron Man Is a Black Woman
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flaxknuckles
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My only problem with the diversity changes is that I don't want superior characters replaced with crappier ones just because they are a minority. So let Peter Parker stay Spider-Man or we gonna have problems Marvel (or let Miguel take the mantle if you are gonna force a change).
n00bsauce87
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I never knew we had so many aficionados in fashion for black girls in their teens.
You never cease to amaze me GAF
You never cease to amaze me GAF
Palette Swap
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She's a book regular at least. I really like her, if only because she puts Tony in his place.
And yeah, I hope she sticks around in the wider universe.
At least, she's not "quiet Asian Doctor" from Avengers 2.
Between that clone fuckery and Octavius, Pete has been replaced by enough white dudes to not go away any time soon.
On the flipside, Kamala is an incredibly better Ms Marvel than Carol was.
yeah, generally speaking. even the early x-men were reflective of that era's civil rights movements.
having said that, we're seeing a huge diversity push in recent years that has begun paying real dividends
Kamala
StrangeTaco
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Asking the important questions!
Duane Cunningham
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I've learned from Gundam that hair of any volume instantly compresses to a buzz cut the instant you put on a helmet.
Pai Pai Master
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Jessica Drew (or Spider-Gwen or Mayday Parker), She-Hulk (or Red She-Hulk), Gwenpool (or Lady Deadpool)
TetraxShards
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Done, done, and done basically.
Gwenpool isn't the same as Lady Deadpool, she's just an ordinary girl from our world (or at least, a world where the Marvel Universe is just stories) who ended up in the MU. She doesn't have any super powers or training.
tkscz
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So
Jen is dead
Got nothun' on mah Mayday.
There are several female spider-people
There are at least 2 female hulks
There is a Lady Deadpool (she teamed up with Deadpool, Dog Deadpool and Zombie Deadpool, actually)
Hell, there is a female deadpool that is also a female spider-man.
In response to those last three:
Silk and Spider-Gwen (among others like Spider-Girl)
She-Hulk, bruh. Plus Red She-Hulk and Lyra.
There's a female Deadpool from an alternate universe too. Plus now there's Gwenpool!
Duane Cunningham
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Unspeakable Evil
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PaulExcellent
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I'm definitely not too excited about this.
Although the All New All Different version wasn't as interesting and cool as the pre-Battleworld Iron Man, he was still pretty OK.
Now he's just overseeing things? Although we all know it'll be for a year or so. :/
Although the All New All Different version wasn't as interesting and cool as the pre-Battleworld Iron Man, he was still pretty OK.
Now he's just overseeing things? Although we all know it'll be for a year or so. :/
n00bsauce87
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Arab and even Egyptian(I mean, does a person being american mean he has to be white?) can be pretty lose terms. Lots of mixing about between black, brown, and white in that region due to its history.
Are people really confused about how she'd fit her hair in the Iron Man helmet? I know a lot of you are just clowning around about it, but is anyone actually being serious? She'll, I dunno, tie it back? It's hair, not cement.
Anywho, I'm not always the biggest fan of temporary title inheritance in comics, because it almost always does a disservice in the end when the original hero "comes back" and the new person gets shunted off to the side, but here's hoping Marvel does right by Riri and the story is fun.
Anywho, I'm not always the biggest fan of temporary title inheritance in comics, because it almost always does a disservice in the end when the original hero "comes back" and the new person gets shunted off to the side, but here's hoping Marvel does right by Riri and the story is fun.
Do I really have to clarify that I was being facetious? I thought the "Make Comics Great Again" would have given it away.
Anyway, of course they aren't going to permanently replace Tony Stark, or Peter Parker, or Bruce Banner. But I think it's awesome that they're opening the door for more diverse characters to play in the big kid pool. There have always been minority characters in comics, but the vast majority of them are not even remotely close to being as iconic and well known/loved as their white counterparts. Black Panther, Luke Cage, Black Lightning, John Stewart were barely a thing when I was growing up in the 80's. Fortunately, that's been changing over the last 15+ years, and more minority characters are getting the limelight, and a lot of that is because they are wearing the tights of pre-existing and beloved characters. It may rustle the feathers of a certain type of comic reader, but it's not like Miles Morales is replacing Peter Parker.
It just seems to me that the irritation when a character picks up the mantle of a well known character only arises when the character is a minority.
Dick Grayson has become Batman more than a few times when Bruce has gone MIA for whatever reason, and nobody seems to go apeshit over it. Doc Ock put his mind inside of Peter Parker's body in an absurd (yet highly entertaining) story arc, but people lose their shit when Miles becomes Spider-Man after the death of Peter Parker? If comics have taught us anything, it's that these fuckers always come back. Tony will be Iron Man again. Bruce will be Hulk again. Male Thor will be Thor again. That's how comics work, it's cyclical. I just think that it's cool that the mantles are being handed over to diverse group of characters instead of young white male protege #1,000,652. It's a nice change of pace. I have no problems with young white male protege #1,000,652, obviously, but I do like seeing different people being represented as badasses and heroic, and in major roles/characters. Damien Wayne is a shitstain, but he's also one of my favorite Robins. Then again, has there really ever been a bad Robin besides Jason Todd? I think I've liked them all, with Tim and Damien being my favorites.
Personally, I don't care if a new character takes over a role for an existing hero. Sam Wilson and Bucky as Captain America lead to some cool stories with those characters, and cool Cap stories. In the end, we all know Steve will be back. Peter will be back. Tony will be back. It's why I'll never understand when people get furious when changes like this with Riri happen. As long as the stories are cool and entertaining, I don't care. Kamala Khan is one of my favorite new superheroes, and I love Carol Danvers too (when she's written well). I don't know. I guess I'll never be on the side of the argument that is against adding diversity to a series, including having that diverse character become an existing hero.
Chiaroscuro
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Lol at original stuff... I reads exactly like an old sci-fi story I read in Asimov mag. A man that has to life each day in the body of a different person.
As a black comic book artist and writer who has attempted to get work at Marvel in the past (unsuccessfully, I must say), I agree with this sentiment.
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Messofanego
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BKatastrophe
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She is in the book, at least.
Please tell me this isn't gonna be some Xavier shit
"Log 11.222.8
"Science Team is attempting to reverse-engineer Samus Aran's arsenal, based off data acquired from her assaults on our forces. Progress is slow, but steady. Command would dearly enjoy turning Aran's weapons against her. We believe we can implement Beam weapon prototypes in three cycles. Aran's Power Suit technology remains a mystery, especially the curious Morph Ball function. All attempts at duplicating it have ended in disaster; four test subjects were horribly broken and twisted when they engaged our Morph Ball prototypes. Science Team wisely decided to move on afterward."
I love Metroid Prime
Not going to quote everyone who replied like this, but I'm aware that there are female analogues to these characters. But it's like the difference between American Dream and the actual female Captain America that's going to be in USAvengers. She-Hulk isn't actually Hulk. Gwenpool isn't actually Deadpool.
Good luck at coming up with something no-one has ever even thought of.
KenzinFive
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I did not give a single solitary shit about Carol as Ms. Marvel, while Kamala is one of my favorite characters in years. Carol is much better as A-lister Captain Marvel than as "Avenger that most comic fans kinda know" Ms. Marvel.
I remember being so angry when I learned that Metroid Prime was going to be a first person shooter developed by a western developer.
Ahhh, I was so dumb.
It's been ages since I played it, but fuck was it an amazing game. I learned a valuable lesson about writing off games with knee jerk reactions. I similarly remember being reluctant to play the first God of War at the time, and then playing the demo before release and being blown away.
On topic, her hair will fit into the helmet because it's hair, not steel.
EDIT: I always really liked Ms. Marvel's black costume, but Kamala is fucking wonderful. Such an endearing character, and I hope she continues to grow in popularity. Here's a piece of fan art I did a few weeks ago of both of them. Kamala is a lot of fun to draw. I need to do more pieces with her one day.
Spiritwalker
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great design
To me it all depends on how natural it is to have another person take on the mantle and or if they are actually replacing an existing hero or being around at the same time.
Dick taking over the Batman mantel feels right because he was robin for decades. Essentially he was groomed to fill the roll from the start. Having long standing Side kick take over the role feels like a natural progression which is why nobody really minded when Bucky became Cap for example.
And when Bruce came back and we had two batman running around for awhile it was awesome! I love having multiple Spider-men right now so why can't we have Multiple Iron-man?
This type of transition where it's a character that's hardly been built up at all just sucks. Especially when they had to right off other would be replacements to make it work. Guy that's been Iron man before? Kill him off. Long time love interest who's worn armor before? Write her out of the series.
This is just controversy for controversy's sake to drive up sales rather then bothering to try and tell an actual good story.
BKatastrophe
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You wanna give me those details on that finished story?
"American" isn't an ethnicity though, unless you're strictly talking native. It'd be like calling someone of Native American descent anything other than that. They're not White or Black, they're Native American. If we're talking modern Egypt, statistically most Egyptians identify as Arab today, but historically yeah there's a ton of mixing going on that makes it hard to label them as anything other than just "Egyptian", which honestly is what they very likely would have identified as anyway.
I just personally don't like seeing that representation undermined. It was really cool playing as a straight up Syrian/Arab character way back when Assassin's Creed started and I would have been a little eeehh on people saying they just considered Altaïr to be White, even though on a purely objective level they wouldn't necessarily be wrong. I just don't really agree with calling her Black even though it's not technically incorrect - she's Egyptian and by extension Middle Eastern. She looks to be modeled after an Ancient Egyptian more than anything else anyway and there's a whole boatload of controversy not worth getting into on whether or not to call them Black (I'd just say Egyptian and leave it at that, personally).
This whole conversation is hella off topic tho lol, my bad. All I was getting at was that I personally never saw Pharah as Black, whereas Riri definitely is.
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