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To OLED, or not to OLED

What type of TV is your main TV?

  • OLED

    Votes: 441 71.4%
  • LCD

    Votes: 113 18.3%
  • Something else

    Votes: 42 6.8%
  • I don't own a TV, just a computer monitor

    Votes: 22 3.6%

  • Total voters
    618

dotnotbot

Member
Some oleds can be brighter than led tech.



Potinless comparison since it's always camera adjusted to brightest TV. So in order to show brightest TV without blowing out the picture dimmer ones look way too dim, much worse than they look like IRL. Camera has limited dynamic range compared to human eyes.

If the video was in HDR at least, but in SDR it's absurd to be comparing things like brightness between TVs (or color in HDR or many other things).
 
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Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Potinless comparison since it's always camera adjusted to brightest TV. So in order to show brightest TV without blowing out the picture dimmer ones look way too dim, much worse than they look like IRL. Camera has limited dynamic range compared to human eyes.

If the video was in HDR at least, but in SDR it's absurd to be comparing things like brightness between TVs (or color in HDR or many other things).
Educate yourself before spitting venom.

It is a fact our C3 is a dimmer tv, especially in game mode.
 
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Ulysses 31

Member
This is SDR game, what brightness do you need for that? SDR is meant for 100 nit brightness.
Whatever brightness you feel to make the picture not look dim.

Regular Blu-rays are SDR too and surely you ain't saying those should be watched at 100 nits too, right?
 

dotnotbot

Member
Educate yourself before spitting venom.

It is a fact our C3 is a dimmer tv, especially in game mode.

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Bojji

Member
Whatever brightness you feel to make the picture not look dim.

Regular Blu-rays are SDR too and surely you ain't saying those should be watched at 100 nits too, right?

Obviously this "100" nits is meant for a dark room, it has to be higher during the day. But making SDR output in super high brightness is quite stupid, picture accuracy will be fucked up, things that meant to be 5 nits are now 50 nits, etc. All colors are wrong.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Was at a Best Buy doing some work for them and saw the Hisense 75" U8N was on sale for $1499 which I think is a killer price for that TV
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Stop the FOMO did an 7+ hour stream with the G4, S95D and QN900D and the G4 is the overall winner making it very temping with its 5 year burn in warranty. However the 8K QN900D(Mini LED) held on vs the 2 best OLEDs and its 240Hz screen might make it the deciding factor for me.
 
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Celcius

°Temp. member


John and Oliver from Digital Foundry talk about their new TVs and the differences. John went with OLED and Oliver with LCD (I think mini led).
 

Bojji

Member


John and Oliver from Digital Foundry talk about their new TVs and the differences. John went with OLED and Oliver with LCD (I think mini led).


Just like people here, some of us want the best contrast, black level and zero blooming (OLED) and some of us want the best brightness and can accept minuses of VA/IPS technology.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Just like people here, some of us want the best contrast, black level and zero blooming (OLED) and some of us want the best brightness and can accept minuses of VA/IPS technology.

Mini LED is really catching up in those areas and OLED is trying to catch up in brightness.

All depends on the viewing space which tech is superior
 

Bojji

Member
Mini LED is really catching up in those areas and OLED is trying to catch up in brightness.

All depends on the viewing space which tech is superior

Pretty much. For my usage OLED brightness is enough but I can get that for some people it might not be suitable (room conditions).

I hate blooming so much that probably only some high end (that means very expensive) mini LEDs would be ok for me.
 

kingpotato

Ask me about my Stream Deck
I've had an LG C7 65" for the last 6 years and it was great for the first 5. In the last year it's started to get burn in pretty easily and the more vibrant colors are looking distorted, especially when they are present in big flat shapes.

It still performs well over all and I don't have any regrets but all the native apps are starting to slow down and with the visual quality issues I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping this set would last twice as long before these issues crop up.

FWIW, the burn in all seems to have come from my launch model Switch oddly enough even though I have put serious gaming hours on the TV with PS4/Pro/5, my Xbox Series S, and various retro/mini consoles, etc.
 

Bojji

Member


The Bravia 9 has much better shadow detail. Black crush on OLEDs is real.


Never heard of crushed blacks on Sony OLEDs, I thought it was LG thing.

Are settings correct fot both tvs?

From my experience at least half of movies and shows on streaming (and dvbt-t tv) have lifted black level so I even have to set black level to 49 (from 50) for picture to not look like shit. Looks like most content is made for shitty LCDs, same is true for many HDR games sadly.

I have never seen black crush on my LG in any movie but even if so you have settings to change it you don't have to change the whole fucking tv, lol.
 
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Meicyn

Gold Member


Toss up between the G4 and the Bravia 9. Video shows numerous moments and scenes where one outdoes the other and vice versa.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Have spent about a day with the 75” Bravia 9. Dolby Vision looks fantastic on the set with content that supports it, whereas Dolby Vision looked like shit on my X950H. Been messing around with games that have higher nit value support, such as Division 2 which despite being made back in 2019, surprisingly has content that goes up to 3000 nits! Spotlights and explosions are... quite the spectacle. Massive Entertainment deserves a lot more praise for their attention to detail than gamers gave them credit for.

Dragon’s Dogma 2 was already a light show before at night, but on the Bravia 9? Whew! While using the in-game HDR calibration setting, the first setting can be pumped all the way to maximum as the TV is fully capable of handling 3000+ nit content. The nights are still as dark as ever, but as you watch the sparks and bolts fly everywhere when a mage uses Levin, you maintain incredible clarity for the surrounding elements without heavy tone mapping and ABL kicking in as it would on existing OLEDs.

Even Elden Ring looks noticably better. I bumped up the in-game setting to the maximum 2000 nits and it is an obvious improvement. I noticed details in the Erdtree that I didn’t see before when it’s in the burning state. Liurnia was always my favorite area, but now it looks even better.

Sony’s local dimming algorithm combined with their incremental backlighting zone management meets the hype. There is still some blooming in moments where say, you have a white logo in the bottom right on an otherwise black screen while a game is loading. In most typical content, you don’t see blooming. The Bravia 9 will fail a starfield test pattern that OLED will easily laugh at, but in an episode of Star Trek TNG, the stars look alright. Not as good as an OLED though.

The Bravia 9 will prefer to give you some minor blooming rather than sacrificing shadow detail. You can technically override this preference by switching local dimming settings, but medium is the default and recommended by Sony’s engineers. As the tech evolves and more dimming zones increase, what little blooming there is will continue to decline in future sets, bridging the path towards microLED. QD-OLED is still king of dark scenes, but the Bravia 9 is the closest a consumer grade LED has gotten to date.

Essentially, if you have content that goes up to 4000 nits, the Bravia 9 will let you see details at an accurate level that you can’t experience on other sets. Incredible TV.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Tv just kills some details:

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For whatever it’s worth, KG mentioned he has his set on high for local dimming, which emphasizes maintaining as much black as possible at all cost. The above is the end result. He provided many screens, settings info, and other details on the AVS Forums for various scenarios. As I said above in the post after the one you quoted, local dimming should be on medium, not high.

If you’d like, I can take a video with my smartphone to demonstrate what I am talking about so you see that I’m not fanboying here. I loaded up a starfield test pattern on Youtube just now and rechecked the differences. On local dimming set to high, the stars are so hilariously dim that it looks pathetic for a $3500 TV. Medium, it looks much better, balancing between minimizing blooming but maintaining that yes, there are stars. On low, you get the full intended brightness of each star, but blooming is apparent. You can also turn local dimming completely off, even though that makes zero sense.
 

Bojji

Member
For whatever it’s worth, KG mentioned he has his set on high for local dimming, which emphasizes maintaining as much black as possible at all cost. The above is the end result. He provided many screens, settings info, and other details on the AVS Forums for various scenarios. As I said above in the post after the one you quoted, local dimming should be on medium, not high.

If you’d like, I can take a video with my smartphone to demonstrate what I am talking about so you see that I’m not fanboying here. I loaded up a starfield test pattern on Youtube just now and rechecked the differences. On local dimming set to high, the stars are so hilariously dim that it looks pathetic for a $3500 TV. Medium, it looks much better, balancing between minimizing blooming but maintaining that yes, there are stars. On low, you get the full intended brightness of each star, but blooming is apparent. You can also turn local dimming completely off, even though that makes zero sense.

It looks like a great tv overall, I could live with minimal issues like that - of course if I had the money for tv like that :messenger_tears_of_joy:

In the end you have to choose between "details" and "blooming" in dark scenes, there is still no way to avoid it on LCD tv but it has brightness that no OLED can reach so everyone has to choose their poison.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
It looks like a great tv overall, I could live with minimal issues like that - of course if I had the money for tv like that :messenger_tears_of_joy:

In the end you have to choose between "details" and "blooming" in dark scenes, there is still no way to avoid it on LCD tv but it has brightness that no OLED can reach so everyone has to choose their poison.
Interestingly enough, I read a scientific paper on a breakthrough with OLED tech, generating equivalent brightness with a lot less power. Wish I could remember what it was titled, so I could link it. The issue of course, is cost at the moment. If they figure out a way to scale it and make it commercially viable, OLED will be able to achieve close to if not outright equivalent brightness with LED with minimal drawbacks. I wonder if they’ll be able to pull it off before microLED.
 

Demigod Mac

Member
Question for those who use an OLED as a PC Monitor... Is burn-in a near constant thought/concern for you? (psychologically speaking)
Am close to making the jump but right now it's a complete non-issue with my IPS display that I simply don't have to worry about.
So I wondered if there's a different feel for when you make the switch to an OLED display where you do have to, to some degree, consider burn-in from a static image.

I would of course, not do anything stupid with it and deliberately try to burn it in, and use the pixel cleaning / saving functions.
I already prefer Dark Mode, already use a screen saver and auto display sleep, don't have a ton of icons on the desktop or a bright background, etc.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Question for those who use an OLED as a PC Monitor... Is burn-in a near constant thought/concern for you? (psychologically speaking)
Am close to making the jump but right now it's a complete non-issue with my IPS display that I simply don't have to worry about.
So I wondered if there's a different feel for when you make the switch to an OLED display where you do have to, to some degree, consider burn-in from a static image.

I would of course, not do anything stupid with it and deliberately try to burn it in, and use the pixel cleaning / saving functions.
I already prefer Dark Mode, already use a screen saver and auto display sleep, don't have a ton of icons on the desktop or a bright background, etc.
Would be for me if burn-in wasn't covered in the warranty and a minimum of 3 years.

I came close to getting a G4 because of the 5 year warranty but Samsung has 240 Hz and Game motion plus.
 

hussar16

Member
I had a lg oled c1 and the picture was way to dim went back to mini led and I'm happier .overall I wouldn't touch oled unless its sony oled
 

Topher

Gold Member
Looking into OLED monitors. Went to Best Buy and checked out the LGs. Picture looks really great for gaming, but text wasn't great. I gotta use mine for work as well so that may be a deal breaker. Wish they had the Alienware 34" QD OLED so I could check that out but I gotta drive an hour to see one.

HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 you have an OLED monitor don't you?

Edit: Is the text issue because this is ultrawide, perhaps?
 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Looking into OLED monitors. Went to Best Buy and checked out the LGs. Picture looks really great for gaming, but text wasn't great. I gotta use mine for work as well so that may be a deal breaker. Wish they had the Alienware 34" QD OLED so I could check that out but I gotta drive an hour to see one.

HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 you have an OLED monitor don't you?
Yes I do and had a 32" AW for awhile but returned it as the lack of an audio jack out killed it for me so did you mean the 34" ultrawide or the 32" 4k OLED?

I haven't seen the 34" AW ultrawide in person

Currently mainly game on the LG 45" ultrawide which would obviously suck for your work because of the PPI

Other display I am totally in love with is the LG 32" 4k 240hz OLED thats WOLED

Likely the text clarity what you were looking at is because of it being 1440p and ultrawide with a much lower PPI than a 4k display
 

Topher

Gold Member
Yes I do and had a 32" AW for awhile but returned it as the lack of an audio jack out killed it for me so did you mean the 34" ultrawide or the 32" 4k OLED?

I haven't seen the 34" AW ultrawide in person

Currently mainly game on the LG 45" ultrawide which would obviously suck for your work because of the PPI

Other display I am totally in love with is the LG 32" 4k 240hz OLED thats WOLED

Likely the text clarity what you were looking at is because of it being 1440p and ultrawide with a much lower PPI than a 4k display

Ah....yeah, that makes sense. It's really just a stretched out 1440p monitor. Man.....it looked so good playing games though. I need to kick my kid out of the house and separate my office from my man cave is what I need to do.

Thanks.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Ah....yeah, that makes sense. It's really just a stretched out 1440p monitor. Man.....it looked so good playing games though. I need to kick my kid out of the house and separate my office from my man cave is what I need to do.

Thanks.
Yeah even on this larger 45" ultrawide games look stellar but text isn't great

I want to start by saying Best Buy is a close sponsor of mine

That said I do love their Total membership of like $180 a year because you get 60 days to test anything and return it as thats honestly the best way to see how things work in your home environment

Almost worth it when making a large purchase
 

Topher

Gold Member
Yeah even on this larger 45" ultrawide games look stellar but text isn't great

I want to start by saying Best Buy is a close sponsor of mine

That said I do love their Total membership of like $180 a year because you get 60 days to test anything and return it as thats honestly the best way to see how things work in your home environment

Almost worth it when making a large purchase
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lol.....kidding. I appreciate it bro.
 
I have a good old 55 LED Samsung Nu8000, which is still great, for being a 5 yrs old TV. I really want an OLED TV so bad, but sadly here in my country, Colombia, South America, they are still kinda pricey for the average middle class citizen haha. I just upgraded to a Switch OLED like two days ago though! Hope to do the same with the TV soon, but i can tell you that mine still looks very good with PS5, despite some ghosting on dark scenes and not being HDMI 2.1 (but it can go up to 1440p/120 Hz).
 

MacReady13

Member
So I have always been scared of getting an OLED for gaming (burn in mainly) but, considering I get a discount through my job from Samsung, I decided to take a look at their home page and see what was available.

Samsung here in Australia had the OLED S95D on sale through my place of work. Retail was showing $3999.00 for the 55 inch which is the perfect size for the room I am gaming/watching tv in.

Turns out, the site is having an "up to 50% off sale" and, as it happens, the S95D in the 55 inch ONLY was 50% off! Down to $1999 plus I got $100 off for "trading" in an old TV that I had bringing the price to $1899. I must say, I'm pretty excited to see how this anti glare screen works and to finally game on an OLED tv screen!
 

SunnySideGuy

Neo Member
I just got my first 4k OLED HDR monitor ever (coming from a 13 year old TN panel lol) so this upgrade is big. Ended up going with the LG 32GS dual mode monitor because I like to also play competitive games. I haven't really dialed in calibration settings for the monitor but curious if there's any "must do's" when first getting an OLED monitor for pc/console gaming.
 

Topher

Gold Member
I just got my first 4k OLED HDR monitor ever (coming from a 13 year old TN panel lol) so this upgrade is big. Ended up going with the LG 32GS dual mode monitor because I like to also play competitive games. I haven't really dialed in calibration settings for the monitor but curious if there's any "must do's" when first getting an OLED monitor for pc/console gaming.

From what I've read so far, just being mindful of any static sections on the screen is key for avoiding burn in over time. The taskbar, for example. I'm going to set it to auto-hide. Probably not going to let overlays like RTSS run all the time either when gaming. I'm on the hunt for good tips as well so I'll pass them along if/when I find them.
 

SunnySideGuy

Neo Member
From what I've read so far, just being mindful of any static sections on the screen is key for avoiding burn in over time. The taskbar, for example. I'm going to set it to auto-hide. Probably not going to let overlays like RTSS run all the time either when gaming. I'm on the hunt for good tips as well so I'll pass them along if/when I find them.

Perfect thank you! I noticed my video color settings under nvidia control panel is set to limited by default, but I've read people select Full sometimes. Not sure if that's for tv's or monitors though. But I'll also keep an eye out and pass them along to ya!
 

Topher

Gold Member
Yeah even on this larger 45" ultrawide games look stellar but text isn't great

I want to start by saying Best Buy is a close sponsor of mine

That said I do love their Total membership of like $180 a year because you get 60 days to test anything and return it as thats honestly the best way to see how things work in your home environment

Almost worth it when making a large purchase

Decided to go with the LG C3 42" TV as a monitor. Currently on sale for $899. Ultrawide text issues would just drive me batty. 32" and above OLED monitor prices are still a bit ridiculous. I'm a Plus member so I'll have 60 days to change my mind.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Decided to go with the LG C3 42" TV as a monitor. Currently on sale for $899. Ultrawide text issues would just drive me batty. 32" and above OLED monitor prices are still a bit ridiculous. I'm a Plus member so I'll have 60 days to change my mind.
Great display to use as a monitor

I tried one myself but didn't like the height overall but great choice
 
Perfect thank you! I noticed my video color settings under nvidia control panel is set to limited by default, but I've read people select Full sometimes. Not sure if that's for tv's or monitors though. But I'll also keep an eye out and pass them along to ya!
you want full.
also ensure your desktop color is set to 10-bits or higher, and youre using full RGB.
also doublecheck your refresh rate is at its max (240hz for you if 4k).
 

SunnySideGuy

Neo Member
NVidia control panel - Display - Change Resolution
Don't know how I missed this but thank you. Desktop color depth is 32 bit and I Just changed output color depth from 8 bpc to 10 and rgb color format set to full. Under video and color settings, should I change dynamic range from limited to full as well under the advanced tab?
 

hinch7

Member
Despite the lack of reviews, took the plunge and went and preordered Samsungs new G8 OLED. The only worry for me is lack of burn in warranty. But worth the risk I think at the discounted asking price. And comes with a free SSD; which I'll probably sell off.
 
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I just got my first 4k OLED HDR monitor ever (coming from a 13 year old TN panel lol) so this upgrade is big. Ended up going with the LG 32GS dual mode monitor because I like to also play competitive games. I haven't really dialed in calibration settings for the monitor but curious if there's any "must do's" when first getting an OLED monitor for pc/console gaming.

I've been using my TV for the past couple years as a monitor pretty much (outside of some PLEX streaming) and all I've done is auto hide taskbar, something I've always done anyway. Not sure if OLED monitors do, but TV's have additional protections like pixel shift etc - I'm assuming these are why I've still had no burn in yet.

Don't know how I missed this but thank you. Desktop color depth is 32 bit and I Just changed output color depth from 8 bpc to 10 and rgb color format set to full. Under video and color settings, should I change dynamic range from limited to full as well under the advanced tab?

I have it set to full on mine. Limited can work too so long as you account for it in settings, it's 16-235 instead of 0-255 so black is generally a little higher on anything other than media.
 
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