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[dr3upmushroom]

As silly as the idea that all men who make catcalls or winks or other suggestive behaviors are just looking for a chance to assault or rape?

generalizations are silly.

Why are they doing it then? "It's a compliment" is a stupid response, there are women in this thread proving that this not always the case, and if you know that it's not a given that it will be taken as a compliment, then why do it? Are there needs to broadcast their niceness so strong that they are unable to resist complimenting an attractive woman?

Not all catcallers are rapists, but they are presumptuous at best and man children with empathy problems at worst.

 

[Flo]

I don't think anyone (man or woman) can judge how someone else experiences a situation. I must say cat calling almost always gives me a bad feeling, even if it is 'well meant' (also has to do with experiences). You never know what intentions that person might have, and the fact that they cat called tells you they noticed you. People with bad intentions don't always hurt you unannounced.

As a general rule, I'm not convinced Devolution's perspective is representative of anything but Devolution's perspective.

In this case, it's representative of mine as well.

And mine too.

Quoting this for JABEE and anyone else complaining about the victimization of the "nice guys." "I don't have bad intentions, so any woman who is apprehensive of me is being wrong and sexist" is a childish, self-serving conclusion.

And before someone replies "But most women haven't had experiences like this," I guarantee, and you can verify this if you have female friends, most women do at least know someone who has*.

* Speaking as someone who lives in a city. I'm not sure if maybe things are different in small towns/ rural areas, maybe that's where there's a disconnect.

I hardly know any women that don't have experiences like this.

 

[Like the hat?]

I see nothing wrong with punching someone in the face who tries to touch you in a sexual way without your consent.

I agree with this completely. Actually, I'd drop the "in a sexual way"

 

[Sullen]

I find it disturbing that there are people in this thread who think that anyone who cat calls is a stalker/rapist. Some of you have very deep seated emotional and mental issues.

 

[Byakuya769]

I find it disturbing that there are people in this thread who think that anyone who cat calls is a stalker/rapist. Some of you have very deep seated emotional and mental issues.

As opposed to your reading issues.

 

[Metroid Killer]

I find it disturbing that there are people in this thread who think that anyone who cat calls is a stalker/rapist. Some of you have very deep seated emotional and mental issues.

Spewing shit like this in discussion threads should be a bannable offense unless provided with quotes for evidence.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Spewing shit like this in discussion threads should be a bannable offense unless provided with quotes for evidence.

why stop there?
just make thought a crime.

 

[Wallach]

I agree with this completely. Actually, I'd drop the "in a sexual way"

*shrug*

Just be careful of who you hit and why.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

I hardly know any women that don't have experiences like this.

Yeah, anyone who says that sexual harassment isn't a huge problem doesn't have female friends who trust them enough to talk about it. Or are too callous towards the issue for them to bring it up. Any way, using the "anecdotal evidence" defense when someone says that sexual harassment isn't a major issue is an idiot.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

why stop there?
just make thought a crime.

This wins my vote for stupidest post in this thread. By far.

In what way exactly is asking that people back up their claims with evidence analogous in any way to making thought a crime?

I mean, in the real world, if people like you want to defend their right to believe whatever nonsense they wish regardless of any reason or in the face of contradicting evidence, but on a forum made to facilitate discussion, what exactly is your problem with having people provide evidence for something they arguing?

 

[akira28]

smh at posts like these in this thread. The lack of empathy is disturbing.

in the old days, that is, when I was a kid, people would whistle at my mom when she would walk me around the streets downtown. Like you know, construction dudes and parking attendants and the like. It wasn't like a thing and I gather from other sources from the age, women and experiences and observation, it wasn't a thing until recently. Were women just pretending to accept it because they couldn't do anything about it? Or were they secretly offended at unsolicited attention being directed at them. My mom would always get flush and have this embarrassed smile, but I assumed it wasn't something she didn't like.

I always assumed wolf whistles were like...just a form of communication, a bit rowdy yes, but not exactly offensive until it passes a certain decency line. So is it now a thing?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

in the old days, that is, when I was a kid, people would whistle at my mom when she would walk me around the streets downtown. Like you know, construction dudes and parking attendants and the like. It wasn't like a thing and I gather from other sources from the age, women and experiences and observation, it wasn't a thing until recently. Were women just pretending to accept it because they couldn't do anything about it? Or were they secretly offended at unsolicited attention being directed at them. My mom would always get flush and have this embarrassed smile, but I assumed it wasn't something she didn't like.

I always assumed wolf whistles were like...just a form of communication, a bit rowdy yes, but not exactly offensive until it passes a certain decency line. So is it now a thing?

Have you ever asked your mom how she felt about it? I'm guessing that would be far more informative than asking the guys on here.

 

[Lionheart1337]

She shouldn't have worn makeup that day.





lulz

 

[Byakuya769]

in the old days, that is, when I was a kid, people would whistle at my mom when she would walk me around the streets downtown. Like you know, construction dudes and parking attendants and the like. It wasn't like a thing and I gather from other sources from the age, women and experiences and observation, it wasn't a thing until recently. Were women just pretending to accept it because they couldn't do anything about it? Or were they secretly offended at unsolicited attention being directed at them. My mom would always get flush and have this embarrassed smile, but I assumed it wasn't something she didn't like.

I always assumed wolf whistles were like...just a form of communication, a bit rowdy yes, but not exactly offensive until it passes a certain decency line. So is it now a thing?

You must be trolling. If so, hell of a job! A+.

 

[The Technomancer]

Why are they doing it then? "It's a compliment" is a stupid response, there are women in this thread proving that this not always the case, and if you know that it's not a given that it will be taken as a compliment, then why do it? Are there needs to broadcast their niceness so strong that they are unable to resist complimenting an attractive woman?

Not all catcallers are rapists, but they are presumptuous at best and man children with empathy problems at worst.

Hey, I never said that they weren't idiots and assholes. All I'm asking for is a little return empathy, to understand why some of the males in here are disturbed that women take this paranoid and even hostile attitude towards any attention, not just obviously aggressive cases like the OP detailed.

Everyone's got problems. Lets try to acknowledge that every side has issues they have to deal with, not just "yours"

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You know how you can go outside and just not have to deal with anyone or anything? Attractive women don't have that option. I can see how it'd be annoying as fuck to deal with on a daily basis.

 

[foodtaster]

people flirtin' with ya audibly is a crime now? well damn, let the high school girls know

 

[Meier]

Noones really making it into a huge deal. Its one woman's account of how she did something she never thought she'd do. She took charge of herself and shared a personal story.

/thread

I think his post was more in regards to why did the OP even make a thread about it. A lot of people, men and women, can be put in situations they're scared of in every day life -- particularly when alone on a dark street at night. This isn't exclusive to one sex.

 

[Dude Abides]

why stop there?
just make thought a crime.

If I can't holla at a bitch about my big dick with impunity 1984 has arrived.

 

[JoeBoy101]

Yeah, it's just an aesthetic appreciation, no sexual connotation whatsoever. Give me a break. "Hey girl you look hot and therefore I'd like to fuck ya!" from a creep on the street isn't much of a compliment. What is so difficult with keeping your views on the attractiveness of strangers to yourself? What is the compulsion to let women walking past on the street know you want to fuck them?

Know what another sexual connotation is?

"Come here often?"
"Mind if I buy you a drink?"

For some reason, you're couching in the worst possible terms to strawman how someone could possible support such nasty behaviour. Truth is that context means everything a simple wolf whistle amounts to NOTHING. Your reaction to it doesn't show him being a creep, but your own issues toward harmless behaviour.

 

[Dude Abides]

Know what another sexual connotation is?

"Come here often?"
"Mind if I buy you a drink?"

For some reason, you're couching in the worst possible terms to strawman how someone could possible support such nasty behaviour. Truth is that context means everything a simple wolf whistle amounts to NOTHING. Your reaction to it doesn't show him being a creep, but your own issues toward harmless behaviour.

Yep, "come here often mind if i buy you a drink" is a polite invitation that can be gracefully rebuffed if not interested. It's a good example of how civilized men and women negotiate the tension between expressing sexual interest and behaving like a human being instead of a dumb animal.

Whistling to express your lust like a stupid animal - e.g. a wolf whistle - is not how civilized men express sexual interest, by contrast.

Another distinction between the two is that chatting up a woman at a bar is (at least usually) done with the expectation, or at least hope, that the woman might be interested in you. Perhaps I'm mistaken but I don't think wolf-whistlers really have any hope or expectation that the woman will turn around and set up a date with them.

See the differences?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

Know what another sexual connotation is?

"Come here often?"
"Mind if I buy you a drink?"

For some reason, you're couching in the worst possible terms to strawman how someone could possible support such nasty behaviour. Truth is that context means everything a simple wolf whistle amounts to NOTHING. Your reaction to it doesn't show him being a creep, but your own issues toward harmless behaviour.

It's annoying how you can never tell on a forum if someone is trolling or just incredibly dense.

Your two examples are tame examples of what people commonly call "pick-up lines." They're mostly used in venues like bars or clubs, occasionally restaurants or even grocery stores. In other words, you'll most often hear those lines in places where people go out of their way to meet other people. If the line is successful, a conversation ensues.

Where you often don't hear those lines is on the street from totally random people.

So they're pretty different things. Now sure, a cat call doesn't automatically make the person doing it a perv, but if you can't see the difference between a guy asking a girl if he can buy her a drink at a bar and another catcalling or making a random comment about a girl's physique, I'm sorry to that whatever television shows and movies you've used in placement of human interaction for your socialization have failed you in some areas.

Your right that context means everything, and that it's possible for things like a friend of girl to jokingly catcall her. However, that's true of anything. I could scream "Fire!" in a movie theater crowded full of friends who know I'm a sarcastic asshole. Should we decide that yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is fine since there's nothing wrong with the act?

Probably we'd be better off if we tried to gauge the average circumstances surrounding pick up lines, catcalls, and "Fire!" yelling and determining their appropriateness based on that.

Beaten while I was typing, but yeah, c'mon JoeBoy. Be serious here.

 

[suzu]

Ugh this thread.

Every single female I know has had it happen to them before (teens, adults, even the "uglier" ones). It is vulgar. I don't give a damn if it's suppose to be a compliment, it makes me feel standoffish and fearful -- especially when I'm walking alone.

I'm not saying the cat caller needs to get punched in the face, but it is not something most women want to deal with. Creepy touchy people deserve to get hit though.

Edit: A few times I have ignored cat callers, they just get mad and start shouting insults. :/

 

[m3k]

i am completely fine with this, more women should do it

 

[JoeBoy101]

Yep, "come here often mind if i buy you a drink" is a polite invitation that can be gracefully rebuffed if not interested.

Umm, waiting to hear how a woman can ignore a wolf whistle and move on with her day? Again, not seeing the difference in how such an expression more significantly restricts a woman's available responses than the other?

It's a good example of how civilized men and women negotiate the tension between expressing sexual interest and behaving like a human being instead of a dumb animal.

Whistling to express your lust like a stupid animal - e.g. a wolf whistle - is not how civilized men express sexual interest, by contrast.

Agreed. But boorish rude behavior should be tried to be prevented on that basis. Not because some woman might have an irrational response to it, which, unless I've been mistaken, has been the point of most of this thread.

To dr3upmushroom: The point is that a wolf whistle, in and of itself, only serves as a crude initial interaction from a man, but nothing more. Abides has been spending post after post literally putting words into the wolf whistle that do not exist. Those words are only his interpretation of such an action. And more to the point, people don't always go to bars or restaurants to date. Such a solicitation in those environments can be expected though. The argument here is that one is an unexpected and crude over the other. But both can be unwanted, unsolicited, sexually charged statements.

I don't consider them the same thing, but again, he's the one equating a wolf whistle to 'hey bitch I want that ass'.

but... that is what a wolf whistle implys?

"Man, girl, you look good!" It can also imply that. He's ginning up a nasty pseudo-violent statement to make it look as bad as possible. It denotes one thing simply: Sexual Interest. That's it. Crassly and rudely done, but that's all it is, and is as inherently harmless as a guy hitting on a woman in a bar.

 

[shanshan310]

I have absolutely nothing against guys. Some guy comes up and talks to me? meh, that's cool. There is a big difference between being friendly and being a creep. The comments about it being the same as racism are stupid. Its not "all men", its "strong-looking creepy men who randomly make sexual advances, and continue to do so even when you make it clear its unwanted". I don't like random people harassing me.

I used to ride the busiest train line in Tokyo. I know someone mentioned earlier that if someone gropes you you're supposed to grab their hand, but there is literally no room to do that. It is terrifying feeling hands touching your legs etc and not knowing whose they are and not being able to move. Call the police? and what, make the groper wait around till the police arrive? Its some random guy on a train!

To dr3upmushroom: The point is that a wolf whistle, in and of itself, only serves as a crude initial interaction from a man, but nothing more. Abides has been spending post after post literally putting words into the wolf whistle that do not exist. Those words are only his interpretation of such an action. And more to the point, people don't always go to bars or restaurants to date. Such a solicitation in those environments can be expected though. The argument here is that one is an unexpected and crude over the other. But both can be unwanted, unsolicited, sexually charged statements.

I don't consider them the same thing, but again, he's the one equating a wolf whistle to 'hey bitch I want that ass'.

but... that is what a wolf whistle implys?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

To dr3upmushroom: The point is that a wolf whistle, in and of itself, only serves as a crude initial interaction from a man, but nothing more. Abides has been spending post after post literally putting words into the wolf whistle that do not exist. Those words are only his interpretation of such an action. And more to the point, people don't always go to bars or restaurants to date. Such a solicitation in those environments can be expected though. The argument here is that one is an unexpected and crude over the other. But both can be unwanted, unsolicited, sexually charged statements.

I don't consider them the same thing, but again, he's the one equating a wolf whistle to 'hey bitch I want that ass'.

Well, what do you think a wolf whistle means? You agree that it's crude and boorish. Telling a girl "Hey bitch, I want that ass" is crude and boorish. The second comment is more direct than a wolf whistle, but to me they communicate the same thing in most cases.

Certainly you don't think that their is no meaning behind a wolf whistle. People don't think, "I wish to exchange words with this person, what shall I employ as my initial interaction?" and then arbitrarily decide between saying "Hi, my name is JoeBoy" and doing a wolf whistle.

There's meaning behind it, and more often than not, that meaning is something to similar to "Hey bitch I would like to have that ass."

 

[Byakuya769]

"Man, girl, you look good!" It can also imply that. He's ginning up a nasty pseudo-violent statement to make it look as bad as possible. It denotes one thing simply: Sexual Interest. That's it. Crassly and rudely done, but that's all it is, and is as inherently harmless as a guy hitting on a woman in a bar.

Why are you allowed to determine the context and intent of a wolf whistle vs. a pick-up line and not the various women who have spoken up about it in this thread. I've asked my wife, sister, and a couple of friends their take on this.. and yea a wolf whistle is definitely seen as disrespectful and uncomfortably sexually suggestive.

 

[JoeBoy101]

Well, what do you think a wolf whistle means? You agree that it's crude and boorish. Telling a girl "Hey bitch, I want that ass" is crude and boorish. The second comment is more direct than a wolf whistle, but to me they communicate the same thing in most cases.

Certainly you don't think that their is no meaning behind a wolf whistle. People don't think, "I wish to exchange words with this person, what shall I employ as my initial interaction?" and then arbitrarily decide between saying "Hi, my name is JoeBoy" and doing a wolf whistle.

There's meaning behind it, and more often than not, that meaning is something to similar to "Hey bitch I would like to have that ass."

But you guys are the one putting the sexist, hostile remark of bitch in there. The wolf whistle contains none of those words. Of course there's meaning. Like I said, the meaning is this: Sexual Interest. It doesn't become hostile or ugly until it carries further from that point. You even say there, that YOU think they communicate the same thing. That doesn't mean that is the message they are trying to convey.

Again, on the basis of being crude, rude, and juvenile, yes, I'd rather see wolf whistles stop. But on the basis of a woman irrational responding to such behavior, that's not reasonable.

Why are you allowed to determine the context and intent of a wolf whistle vs. a pick-up line and not the various women who have spoken up about it in this thread. I've asked my wife, sister, and a couple of friends their take on this.. and yea a wolf whistle is definitely seen as disrespectful and uncomfortably sexually suggestive.

And my mother and wife both think though unwanted and responding negatively towards such, feel alot of the outright hostility in here is overwrought and over-reactionary. Take your pick.

 

[Devolution]

But you guys are the one putting the sexist, hostile remark of bitch in there. The wolf whistle contains none of those words. Of course there's meaning. Like I said, the meaning is this: Sexual Interest. It doesn't become hostile or ugly until it carries further from that point. You even say there, that YOU think they communicate the same thing. That doesn't mean that is the message they are trying to convey.

Again, on the basis of being crude, rude, and juvenile, yes, I'd rather see wolf whistles stop. But on the basis of a woman irrational responding to such behavior, that's not reasonable.

Yes it's all our fault. We can't have days where we're just tired of being disrespected and treated like a sex object. And it's so unfair of us to direct this aggression at a person who already crossed the crass/crude line.

Seriously this thread. Ridiculous.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

I have absolutely nothing against guys. Some guy comes up and talks to me? meh, that's cool. There is a big difference between being friendly and being a creep. The comments about it being the same as racism are stupid. Its not "all men", its "strong-looking creepy men who randomly make sexual advances, and continue to do so even when you make it clear its unwanted". I don't like random people harassing me.

The "strong-looking" thing hasn't really come up, and I think that that's an important part of the whole thing. A lot of guys who do things like catcall might not be planning on acting out on it sexily, but I do think it's more often than not a douchebag "I know I can get away with this" maneuver. A lot of guys will be able to relate to behavior like this, even if this is exaggerated for comedy's sake.

It's bullying behavior, and all of the talk about "It's a compliment" is fucking stupid. If you want to compliment a woman, act like an adult and tell her she looks nice.

 

[MrToughPants]

i am completely fine with this, more women should do it

Agreed, as with the roles reversed.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

But you guys are the one putting the sexist, hostile remark of bitch in there. The wolf whistle contains none of those words. Of course there's meaning. Like I said, the meaning is this: Sexual Interest. It doesn't become hostile or ugly until it carries further from that point. You even say there, that YOU think they communicate the same thing. That doesn't mean that is the message they are trying to convey.

Again, on the basis of being crude, rude, and juvenile, yes, I'd rather see wolf whistles stop. But on the basis of a woman irrational responding to such behavior, that's not reasonable.



And my mother and wife both think though unwanted and responding negatively towards such, feel alot of the outright hostility in here is overwrought and over-reactionary. Take your pick.

Your calling other peoples' post overwrought. Yet you agree that wolf whistling should stop, you just need to make sure that everyone know exactly on what terms.

Like I said before, I understand that they aren't necessarily conveying that message every time some random guy wolf whistles, but you really think that that isn't the general sentiment most of the time.

Pretty interesting that the women in your life think that the posts in here are overreactions. How exactly would they act if they were groped on a train? Blush and giggle? And where is the "outright hostility?" Outside of the punch in the news story in the OP, there hasn't been much of that.

 

[Devolution]

Pretty interesting that the women in your life think that the posts in here are overreactions. How exactly would they act if they were groped on a train? Blush and giggle? And where is the "outright hostility?" Outside of the punch in the news story in the OP, there hasn't been much of that.

I haven't been pay attention much, did he really go there? Oh how cute.

 

[Dude Abides]

Umm, waiting to hear how a woman can ignore a wolf whistle and move on with her day? Again, not seeing the difference in how such an expression more significantly restricts a woman's available responses than the other?

Not sure what you're talking about. One is a polite expression of interest that can be rebuffed with a gentle form of no. The other is essentially shouting on the street "hey baby i want to fuck ya!"

Agreed. But boorish rude behavior should be prevented on that basis. Not because some woman might have an irrational response to it, which, unless I've been mistaken, has been the point of most of this thread.

What irrational response? The woman who smacked the guy who groped her? (unless you agree with dream that that bitch be lyin' and there was no gropin)

Abides has been spending post after post literally putting words into the wolf whistle that do not exist. Those words are only his interpretation of such an action. And more to the point, people don't always go to bars or restaurants to date. Such a solicitation in those environments can be expected though. The argument here is that one is an unexpected and crude over the other. But both can be unwanted, unsolicited, sexually charged statements.

Only two posts, actually. Of course one has to "put words into a wolf whistle" that don't actually exist. It is, after all, a whistle. If you disagree with my interpretation of what a whistle means, I'm curious to know what romantic subtlety you think it conveys. Please tell.

I don't consider them the same thing, but again, he's the one equating a wolf whistle to 'hey bitch I want that ass'.

What does a whistle mean, then? Does it mean, dear lady, I would like to take you to dinner and perhaps exchange anecdotes about our lives that may lead to a true connection, and perhaps we'll get married and be life partners?

"Man, girl, you look good!" It can also imply that. He's ginning up a nasty pseudo-violent statement to make it look as bad as possible. It denotes one thing simply: Sexual Interest. That's it. Crassly and rudely done, but that's all it is, and is as inherently harmless as a guy hitting on a woman in a bar.

And yet in the real world, many bars would kick out some douchebag who was wolf-whistling at every female who walked by. I wonder why that is. Could it be that there's a difference between crude noises made at a woman on the street and bar banter?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

And yet in the real world, many bars would kick out some douchebag who was wolf-whistling at every female who walked by. I wonder why that is. Could it be that there's a difference between crude noises made at a woman on the street and bar banter?

That's totally true. I usually go to semi-decent bars, and maybe JoeBoy prefers dives and it's a different atmosphere, but hearing a wolf whistle in a bar would be weird. If a guy whistled at a girl in my group, I'd give him a weirded-out "What the fuck are you doing?" look, as would most people, I assume. I guess if the guy was really drunk and just acting goofy it would be easy to brush off, but if done it's not done jokingly it's not a normal or acceptable way to get a girl's attention.

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

I'm not getting why this is so "controversial".

 

[DoctorButt]

the fear of fearsome acts

 

[DR2K]

I'm not getting why this is so "controversial".

Look at some of these responses trying to sympathize with the molester.

 

[daegan]

It's an extremely sexist attitude towards men, to be honest.

Oh my god stopped reading the thread here; guy deserved to get hit, she's right to be scared and that's sad, what the hell is wrong with you people

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

Look at some of these responses trying to sympathize with the molester.

Yikes.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I'm beginning to think E3 did more brain damage than I thought.

 

[Zaptruder]

You know how you can go outside and just not have to deal with anyone or anything? Attractive women don't have that option. I can see how it'd be annoying as fuck to deal with on a daily basis.

I wish I could ellicit an occasional compliment or two by just walking around as myself...

 

[teepo]

I think she may have been victimized in the past as well. She's constantly in a hyper-vigilant survival mode when she's out in public. Almost like PTSD. Or maybe that's what all women have to do in NYC to stay safe. I've never been there.

she was at the times square metro stop...

 

[dr3upmushroom]

I wish I could ellicit an occasional compliment or two by just walking around as myself...

It's a general rule anyway, but in this thread especially you should really read before posting.

 

[teepo]

i for one can't wait to stop seeing your posts.

 

[m3k]

Agreed, as with the roles reversed.

girls molesting boys yeah doesnt happen very often... but sure why not

 

[Zaptruder]

It's a general rule anyway, but in this thread especially you should really read before posting.

I've skimmed through the thread.

The issue is kinda like this;

some people derive pleasure from been spontaneously complimented.

There is some merit to sexual advances that occur spontaneously.

However, not all people appreciate this.

Some view it as harassment.

If we push towards strict boundaries; you're going to see a reduction of the behaviour - which means less people will derive pleasure out of the spontaneity.

But also means less people will be harassed.

Is it possible to be spontaneous and still respect boundaries? Maybe. But it requires a high awareness of the situation and context and even been able to read subtle signals.

This can lead to confusion

And they're not skills that all (or even most) people have.


So this kinda thing, it's a bit of a see saw; to give some people comfort of not been harassed, you take away from some people who interpret what the others interpret as harassments as compliments.


In my opinion, the more nebulous issue at hand is that with the conservative it's all a harassment mind set at play; more spontaneous and uninvited signals are interpreted negatively, even when unjustifiable. It is essentially a negative feedback loop.


The externality that this creates is that new sexual selection dynamics come into play - which can alienate a large group of people. I mean... you may have experienced or heard of a phenomenon where women have to chase after guys now, or where its become much harder to meet people. These are the kinds of consequences that result from such a social cultural stance.

In my view... a good solution always calls for more nuance and subtelty. Been mindful of where boundaries are drawn and what exceptions and grey areas are still ok - otherwise you end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater - the positive externalities of behaviour gets thrown out with the negative externalities.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

I'd love for women to whistle at me....

 

[sonikokaruto]

I'd love for women to whistle at me....

women don't whislte, they jus go and grab a cheek or put their hand on our pects.


i fucking hate that, they feel "entitled" to be able to do so and we have to just take it :/