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[LiveFromKyoto]

This is simply not true for the majority of Christians, Muslims or jews.

All three religions follow the Old Testament. It's not whether they have the same God that they disagree on, but how to carry out His Will.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Of course not. I have no religious faith now

Now there is a step in the right direction


But I still don't understand your original comment but I'll drop it.

 

[WrikaWrek]

It's good that people weight in their options. You don't wanna pick one that doesn't suit you.

 

[TAJ]

Wiki says, "The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.".
Holy...fucking...shit.

 

[Flagrant]

All three religions follow the Old Testament. It's not whether they have the same God that they disagree on, but how to carry out His Will.

No it is exactly that.

 

[Kinitari]

Wiki says, "The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.".
Holy...fucking...shit.

To be fair, I don't think that's an issue most Muslim->Atheists have come across. Or at least, I'm still in the good.

No it is exactly that.

Well I guess so, if Christians consider Jesus god... but I was never really clear on that. I thought there was only one god, but then I keep hearing some Christians referring to Jesus as god. It confuzzles me.

 

[Shorty]

congrats!

 

[Ferrio]

You know i'll never understand the decision to convert, no matter what you're converting from->to.

 

[Seth C]

No it is exactly that.

Then they don't know too much about their own religion or those of others, because there is no getting around the fact that they all claim/intend to worship the God of Abraham.

 

[Stoney Mason]

You know i'll never understand the decision to convert, no matter what you're converting from->to.

As with PD unless your an atheist I have no idea what this means. Even then I slightly disagree (only slightly though)

 

[jakershaker]

No it is exactly that.

They're 'the people of the book'. Those who worship 'the God of Abraham'.

 

[Atrus]

You know i'll never understand the decision to convert, no matter what you're converting from->to.

I just don't understand the multiple threads based on one person converting. I mean who really cares?

 

[Chichikov]

No it is exactly that.

You are wrong.
Muslims specifically believe in the same God as Christians and Jews.
They also regard The Bible (old and new testament) as holy books.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I just don't understand the multiple threads based on one person converting. I mean who really cares?

It's a forum. Who cares about any of this shit? Nothing wrong with a thread about a person's individual exploration.

 

[Carmilla]

Congratulations, it is an enlightened individual indeed who can convert to a faith they may not have been predisposed to. As most of my University education revolves around world religion I find modern day converts to any religion fascinating and hold in the deepest regard.

May you stay prosperous in your journey.

 

[Atrus]

It's a forum. Who cares about any of this shit? Nothing wrong with a thread about a person's individual exploration.

Because a forum is not a blog. One thread I can understand but it's not exactly a room for multiple threads on somebody's 'journey' anymore than there should be multiple threads on somebodies vacation experiences.

 

[NumberTwo]

Good luck with that.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Because a forum is not a blog. One thread I can understand but it's not exactly a room for multiple threads on somebody's 'journey' anymore than there should be multiple threads on somebodies vacation experiences.

This forum is full of shitty threads. There are far worse threads to get upset about. If people don't want to discuss it, it will die away like all the rest of the shitty threads. I've kind of liked it so far. I find an individual's spiritual journey interesting as long as they are open minded and not overly defensive about the situation.

 

[Stoney Mason]

dp

 

[TransTrender]

Baah-baah

 

[roosters93]

Yeah i've been thinking about converting myself into something.

rabbit?

 

[loosus]

:lol Religious shopping.

"Ya know, this one sounds really good. I'm going for it!"

Sounds like you just need some kinda living philosophy because, frankly, I don't see any way that you can believe the religion to which you claim you "converted."

 

[Carmilla]

Honestly, if something bothers you, don't pay attention to it. Those looking for friction usually find it.

 

[HolyCheck]

Wiki says, "The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.".
Holy...fucking...shit.

Stoning to death which was at first an expression of popular fury analogous to "lynching", later came to be a natural and legally recognized method of execution. It was this regulated by law as an appointed means of capital punishment (Deuteronomy 17:5-7; Acts 7:58).

It's allllll good brother

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I can't see any fucking sense in doing this whatsoever.

I think religion is total bullshit and is in fact just a collection of retarded cultural traditions that gets in the way of God. But if you want to be completely deluded then good luck to you, it's your life you're wasting.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I'm the reason why some atheists have a bad name on the board

Agreed.

 

[Carmilla]

I can't see any fucking sense in doing this whatsoever.

I think religion is total bullshit and is in fact just a collection of retarded cultural traditions that gets in the way of God. But if you want to be completely deluded then good luck to you, it's your life you're wasting.

What is the motivation behind a post like this? What are you so angry about? He isn't forcing his beliefs on anyone. He isnt saying "Go fuck yourself Christians." Whatever ones personal belief in religion is shouldn't factor into it. Faith, God, belief, they only have the power we give them.

 

[Warm Machine]

I'd try pinpointing why you feel more fullfilled with the conversion. If it is a sense of place and belonging I can understand, what is intersting however is why you felt something was missing previously and why religion, or this religion in particular was the way to fulfill it.

 

[vareon]

Congrats, Himu. You may end up being a better Moslem than I ever was.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

What is the motivation behind a post like this? What are you so angry about? He isn't forcing his beliefs on anyone. He isnt saying "Go fuck yourself Christians." Whatever ones personal belief in religion is shouldn't factor into it. Faith, God, belief, they only have the power we give them.

Because its completely fucking retarded.

It genuinely pisses me off that more and more people give into antiquated cultural traditions and think they've found God.

Read any of the Holy books and tell me the God who recited that shit was the same entity that created all of reality. A being that exists beyond space and time limits itself to words in a book... really!? That doesn't strike you as completely stupid and the product of a bunch of old men thousands of years ago?

EDIT: I'm not an Atheist. I do believe in God but not religion... the latter is what I have issue with.

 

[Xeke]

To be fair, I don't think that's an issue most Muslim->Atheists have come across. Or at least, I'm still in the good.



Well I guess so, if Christians consider Jesus god... but I was never really clear on that. I thought there was only one god, but then I keep hearing some Christians referring to Jesus as god. It confuzzles me.

Christians believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirt are all different incarnations of God. They are separate but one.

Jesus was a man, the Son is God. Jesus had one of the incarnations of God inside of him as the Son existed before Jesus was born. They're just different aspects of God as Space and Time are different aspects of the Universe.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Because its completely fucking retarded.

It genuinely pisses me off that more and more people give into antiquated cultural traditions and think they've found God.

Read any of the Holy books and tell me the God who recited that shit was the same entity that created all of reality. A being that exists beyond space and time limits itself to words in a book... really!?

That's a fine opinion to have but there is no reason to be overtly hostile with an individual who basically gave you no reason to be in the op. If he says gays are evil then go get him. If he says we need more religion in government then go get him. Your hostility towards the individual however comes off as ass-holeish and without cause from anything posted in this thread.

 

[CHYME]

Christians believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirt are all different incarnations of God. They are separate but one.

Jesus was a man, the Son is God. Jesus had one of the incarnations of God inside of him as the Son existed before Jesus was born.

This makes no sense at all. Separate but one?

 

[xabre]

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Shame on some of you for bringing your petty and poorly-formed posts into this thread. Come on, now. Have some class.

As someone who has recently traveled abroad and had the privilege to experience many of the world's religions very intimately, it's difficult to explain how puzzled I am over some of the language ("arbitrary," "illogical," and "irrational") in this thread. These descriptors are antonyms to my experiences. It's a pity, really. There is such wisdom to be tapped.

 

[Father_Mike]

Good for you, Himu.

 

[Nabs]

congrats man, i hope everything goes well for you.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Shame on some of you for bringing your petty and poorly-formed posts into this thread. Come on, now. Have some class.

As someone who has recently traveled abroad and had the privilege to experience many of the world's religions very intimately, it's difficult to explain how puzzled I am over some of the language ("arbitrary," "illogical," and "irrational") in this thread. These descriptors are antonyms to my experiences. It's a pity, really. There is such wisdom to be tapped.

And I'll also disagree with you on the other side. Not that you aren't free to disagree with me of course but that indeed an individual may find religion illogical, arbitrary, and irrational. The difference being that we can discuss such differences of opinion without lowering our dignity or being purposely insulting.

 

[Carmilla]

Because its completely fucking retarded.

It genuinely pisses me off that more and more people give into antiquated cultural traditions and think they've found God.

Read any of the Holy books and tell me the God who recited that shit was the same entity that created all of reality. A being that exists beyond space and time limits itself to words in a book... really!?

EDIT: I'm not an Atheist. I do believe in God but not religion... the latter is what I have issue with.

Religion, in my particular opinion, is a dizzying form of mass psychology that is just as much a part of the human species as our skin. Finding God, reading his word in a book, speaking with a being beyond our conception of space and time, sounds very silly doesn't it?

It is, its almost hysterical how, well, hysterical people get over religion. But why turn a blind man into a wall? If people want to believe that goats control the universe speaking yiddish (no that isnt a specific logical example) let them. Believe you me, religion has been the cause of some of earth's greatest suffering. Even today, years after the Crusades, religion is the crux of unimaginable violence and contempt.

At the same time, religion is a form of serenity, a form of understanding and familial comfort. The man who stands on a mountain and screams at the stars, demanding they move for him may eventually believe that they have indeed moved, regardless of the event actually happening.

Shame on some of you for bringing your petty and poorly-formed posts into this thread. Come on, now. Have some class.

As someone who has recently traveled abroad and had the privilege to experience many of the world's religions very intimately, it's difficult to explain how puzzled I am over some of the language ("arbitrary," "illogical," and "irrational") in this thread. These descriptors are antonyms to my experiences. It's a pity, really. There is such wisdom to be tapped.

Don't be ridiculous. His opinion is no more "right" or "wrong" then yours or mine.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Because its completely fucking retarded.

It genuinely pisses me off that more and more people give into antiquated cultural traditions and think they've found God.

Read any of the Holy books and tell me the God who recited that shit was the same entity that created all of reality. A being that exists beyond space and time limits itself to words in a book... really!? That doesn't strike you as completely stupid and the product of a bunch of old men thousands of years ago?

This doesn't make any sense. I understand that there is experience to be had beyond the religious texts, and, indeed, this is something that all religious teachers and philosophers have affirmed, not least of which was Jesus of Nazareth, who was ostracized for preaching that that "the law" (the Torah) was not absolute and that the authentic spiritual life transcends any text. But saying that "...[God] limits itself to words in a book..." isn't a fair assessment at all, unless one happens to be a strict literalist.

 

[agrajag]

Shame on some of you for bringing your petty and poorly-formed posts into this thread. Come on, now. Have some class.

As someone who has recently traveled abroad and had the privilege to experience many of the world's religions very intimately, it's difficult to explain how puzzled I am over some of the language ("arbitrary," "illogical," and "irrational") in this thread. These descriptors are antonyms to my experiences. It's a pity, really. There is such wisdom to be tapped.

your gimmick is boring.

 

[Atrus]

This forum is full of shitty threads. There are far worse threads to get upset about. If people don't want to discuss it, it will die away like all the rest of the shitty threads. I've kind of liked it so far. I find an individual's spiritual journey interesting as long as they are open minded and not overly defensive about the situation.

What is there to discuss about a statement? All you're either going to get for a statement are affirmative statements in response, challenging statements that would downplay the value of his conversion which may seem inappropriate, and ones that don't have anything to do with the statement.

I'm not upset, just critical of something which would be better served in a blog is all. As it stands there's no topic here to 'discuss' just enough to do one of the three outlined above.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Don't be ridiculous. His opinion is no more "right" or "wrong" then yours or mine.

What are you talking about?

And I'll also disagree with you on the other side. Not that you aren't free to disagree with me of course but that indeed an individual may find religion illogical, arbitrary, and irrational. The difference being that we can discuss such differences of opinion without lowering our dignity or being purposely insulting.

But then I would argue that such a finding was arrived at an assessment of religion that is foreign.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Remember, you have to change your name to Hamasro.

PS: If you get a prayer rug, make sure it won't get grass stains from the park.

 

[Carmilla]

What are you talking about?

You came into this thread a top your horse and attacked an opinion. The intolerance of the intolerant is ridiculous.

 

[Stoney Mason]

What is there to discuss about a statement? All you're either going to get for a statement are affirmative statements in response, challenging statements that would downplay the value of his conversion which may seem inappropriate, and ones that don't have anything to do with the statement.

I'm not upset, just critical of something which would be better served in a blog is all. As it stands there's no topic here to 'discuss' just enough to do one of the three outlined above.

Last post on this because it's silly. Threads on Neogaf aren't some purposely linear scientific discussion point based solely on the Op. They meander all around and people get different things from them.

The one thing I've gotten is that there seems to be hostility to the idea from certain quarters of people converting to different religions. That's interesting. It has nothing to do with the Op but it arose as a result of this thread. That's why I post on the board. Because threads can interest me beyond just the intent of the original post.

 

[CHYME]

You came into this thread a top your horse and attacked an opinion. The intolerance of the intolerant is ridiculous.

What the fuck are you talking about? Holy shit.

 

[JBuccCP]

I wonder what your parents think about this.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

You came into this thread a top your horse and attacked an opinion. The intolerance of the intolerant is ridiculous.

I don't think I was that aggressive or intolerant to the opinions of others. I merely said that those conclusions are so alien to one has been there and back again [EDIT: I'm by no means an expert at all. But I lived in Syria, India, and Kenya for 15 months starting in 2004, and I think that entitles me to some authority. I have the same passion of studies in logic and philosophy]. That is all.

 

[Stoney Mason]

What the fuck are you talking about? Holy shit.

TheGrayGhost tried to frame the argument as Shame on you for discussing such things in a certain light.

You can argue I did the same although mine was based on being hostile which tends to shut down conversation.