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[Spiritreaver]

Do I really have to root for a side? In my happy little world DCCU is just as great as MCU and coexists peacefully. Marvel in turn also gets an amazing animated showing to match DC's history of great cartoons.

But I suppose in reality it's a competition, either financially or fan driven.

 

[ReiGun]

Do I really have to root for a side? In my happy little world DCCU is just as great as MCU and coexists peacefully. Marvel in turn also gets an amazing animated showing to match DC's history of great cartoons.

But I suppose in reality it's a competition, either financially or fan driven.

It is literally just a fan competition. Both are gonna get all our money. lol

 

[Lebron]

lol no way in hell.

They should be more worried about quality than trying to outperform Marvel (which isn't happening). The way they fast tracking everything without a clear plan yet raises concerns.

Also, Snyder.

 

[Ithil]

I really think Super Hero fatigue will set in before Justice league gets a chance.

The ever elusive "Superhero Fatigue" I've been hearing about since about 2004.

 

[Error]

Marvel did it right having 4 movie before Avengers

while DC is racing to it for a Billion Dollars box office

Man of Steel
BvS
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman

that's 4 movies before JL, how is it rushing? Rushing would be Man of Steel--->Justice League, and that's not happening.

 

[Loxley]

It is literally just a fan competition. Both are gonna get all our money. lol

Yup, Avengers is breaking records (again) and come next year, ain't no way that a movie with these three...

...isn't going to make assloads of cash as well. That said, box office records are just an obnoxious new way for people to keep up the pointless MCU vs. DCCU debates.

Both universes are going to have high notes, low notes, and stuff that falls in-between.

 

[3N16MA]

lol no way in hell.

They should be more worried about quality than trying to outperform Marvel (which isn't happening). The way they fast tracking everything without a clear plan yet raises concerns.

Also, Snyder.

I once thought DC was going too fast but that is not the case.

They will release four films over four years before JL. They will give three of their biggest characters major screen time and introduce a whole roster of villains.

I think it would be nice to have an Aquaman film before JL but that is not absolutely necessary.

 

[G-Fex]

And movie franchises have finally converged to video game companies.

The rest is history repeating itself

 

[Cuburt]

Just as I was thinking it was too many days since the last DC vs Marvel thread.

 

[3N16MA]

Tracking BO numbers can be fun but once people start attaching quality based on those numbers and treat a film like a team, it all goes downhill.

 

[Schweinehund]

DC vs Marvel: da thread.

In the end I don't care which is more popular, so long as I find both enjoyable and they make enough cash flow to fund other hero movies that we wouldn't usually get.

I think Justice League had a shot domestically if it was a great movie, until Spiderman came aboard MCU. That alone brings A LOT of kids to it's side. On Marvel side I'm looking forward to Black Panther and Infinity War the most, on DC I want to see Shazam, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad and Justice League the most.

 

[ArtHands]

I seriously doubt it. The way DC handle their cinematic universe so far looks messy and bad.

Man of steel is a joke.

Having 4 films out before JL is meaningless if suicide squad isnt going to influence justice league movie. We will be down to 3 films that really serves to lead in to JL as compare to Marvel's 5 movies before Avengers. i disagree with their strategy of using the team movie to introduce the B characters before their solo movie.

Flash, arrow and Gotham exist in their own universes. I can give a pass for Gotham though seeing how its set before batman existance.

 

[Error]

I seriously doubt it. The way DC handle their cinematic universe so far looks messy and bad.

Man of steel is a joke.

Having 4 films out before JL is meaningless if suicide squad isnt going to influence justice league movie. We will be down to 3 films that really serves to lead in to JL as compare to Marvel's 5 movies before Avengers. i disagree with their strategy of using the team movie to introduce the B characters before their solo movie.

Flash, arrow and Gotham exist in their own universes. I can give a pass for Gotham though seeing how its set before batman existance.

we don't know what SS is about other than being part of the DCCU, for all we know it could be the movie that does the most world building out of those 4.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

lol no way in hell.

They should be more worried about quality than trying to outperform Marvel (which isn't happening). The way they fast tracking everything without a clear plan yet raises concerns.

Also, Snyder.

why do people type such definitive statements? it's so similar to "Heath Ledger is going to suck as the Joker" I don't get it, how is that leading to discussion? what is it with this goofy ass shit of tribalism?

I seriously doubt it. The way DC handle their cinematic universe so far looks messy and bad.

Man of steel is a joke.

Having 4 films out before JL is meaningless if suicide squad isnt going to influence justice league movie. We will be down to 3 films that really serves to lead in to JL as compare to Marvel's 5 movies before Avengers. i disagree with their strategy of using the team movie to introduce the B characters before their solo movie.

Flash, arrow and Gotham exist in their own universes. I can give a pass for Gotham though seeing how its set before batman existance.

you mean they haven't done it like Marvel Entertainment has done it and as we all know it is the only way to do things.

 

[LastGamer84]

One company (Marvel) knows how to adapt their source material.

The other (DC) - thinks everything needs to be grim, gritty, and have as little do with the original content as possible.

So no...the Justice League movie will not dethrone Marvell.

 

[Sephzilla]

I was under the impression that Justice League was going to be out before SS and Wonder Woman

 

[Schweinehund]

One company (Marvel) knows how to adapt their source material.

The other (DC) - thinks everything needs to be grim, gritty, and have as little do with the original content as possible.

So no...the Justice League movie will not dethrone Marvell.

That Flash tv show and the people writing the Flash movie script.

Honestly wish they went ahead with the rumor to have Shazam in 2016 so I could stop hearing this BS.

 

[Ahasverus]

One company (Marvel) knows how to adapt their source material.

The other (DC) - thinks everything needs to be grim, gritty, and have as little do with the original content as possible.

So no...the Justice League movie will not dethrone Marvell.

I'd argue the MCU dumbs down its source material. Film Ultron is a literal JOKE compared to the original one, as is almost everyone. DD and WS aside, most of their movies have heroes and villains that are cartoon tier compared to the depth of the comics.

 

[TheRealTalker]

other then Cap 2, that Hulk reboot and Xmen days of future past I really don't feel those Marvel movies..... they feel cheap to me with Avengers being the cheapest..... going to watch the sequel soon so who knows if my opinion will change


then again I always preferred DC story-lines compared to Marvel ones with barely really caring for Marvel story arcs with the exception of a few like Planet Hulk.....


I usually just read Marvel comics for the humour/fun action rather then for the plot

 

[Dead]

One company (Marvel) knows how to adapt their source material.

The other (DC) - thinks everything needs to be grim, gritty, and have as little do with the original content as possible.

So no...the Justice League movie will not dethrone Marvell.

This post seems to imply Grim and Gritty is not true to the source material

have you read a comic in the past 15 years?

 

[Frog-fu]

They sure can to suggest it otherwise is nothing short of folly. Marvel is enjoying a lot of succes right now - and they've earned. Kudos and all that, but they were still competing with just the Batman movies alone. This time around it's different.

Of course, with Marvel, Phase 3 looks to be the most exciting one yet so I don't doubt they will continue to enjoy massive success, but I think there is definitely enough room for DC to make a huge impact, and I think that really comes down to how they excute the darker tones of their cinematic universe through Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg, whilst sprinkling in a bit of humour and lightheartedness through The Flash, Green Lantern (if it's Hal Jordan), Aquaman (I know he looks very dark and brooding in the photo they released but I get the feeling he won't be, much like Thor in the MCU) and Shazaam (which I think won't be as closely tied to the DCU but still hugely successful if aimed at the right audience).

I think The Flash in particular will be hugely important. He will be the audience draw equivalent of Downey's Iron Man if they actor they've cast for it (his name escapes me atm) can be fun and charming. Mix that in with Hal Jordan Green Lantern and you have a great duo on the big screen, a lighter bromance to contrast with Supes and Bats.

 

[LastGamer84]

This post seems to imply Grim and Gritty is not true to the source material

have you read a comic in the past 15 years?

Source Materi =\ current run. Characters go through arcs...and sometimes they can be quite dark.

MoS on the other hand is just dark and gritty for the sake of being...well dark and gritty.

 

[Killthee]

I was under the impression that Justice League was going to be out before SS and Wonder Woman

Maybe you're confusing BvS with JL?

 

[Sephzilla]

Maybe you're confusing BvS with JL?

I must have

 

[ReiGun]

That Flash tv show and the people writing the Flash movie script.

Honestly wish they went ahead with the rumor to have Shazam in 2016 so I could stop hearing this BS.

Not to mention the earliest word on Shazam is that it will be a kids movie. Or at least, they're seeking directors with experience on children's movies.

Also, people saying DC only does grim and gritty always ignore Green Lantern, which despite being a total mess, didn't fit that narrative at all.

 

[Schweinehund]

Is that all of marvel's movies? Like is there no more Captain America or Iron Man? Not aware of Evan's or Downey's contract. I know DC still has to slot MoS2 and Batman solo. P3 seems like it's got the GOTG factor of some unknown ips (mostly Captain Marvel and Inhumans*). Will be crazy if Marvel can pull it off.


edit: Nvm, that's an outdated chart. Spiderman isn't on there, thought something was missing.

 

[mreddie]

Not to mention the earliest word on Shazam is that it will be a kids movie. Or at least, they're seeking directors with experience on children's movies.

Also, people saying DC only does grim and gritty always ignore Green Lantern, which despite being a total mess, didn't fit that narrative at all.

Think thats the reason why MoS and BvS are serious, because they tried to be upbeat and failed despite the fact the film's fault wasn't the tone.

 

[Vestal]

The problem dc is facing imo with justice league is that their two main characters have already had various films that have defined them one way or another without the idea of a cohesive plot. While marvels avengers only had the Eric Bana hulk as an outlier to their grand vision.

Marvel was brilliant in sprinkling the seeds for their universe starting with Ironman.

 

[Winterfang]

Maybe you're confusing BvS with JL?

I thought Civil War and Barman vs Superman came out the same day.

 

[ReiGun]

The Marvel side is also missing Spider-Man. Though I'm sure the image was made before the deal was struck.

Think thats the reason why MoS and BvS are serious, because they tried to be upbeat and failed despite the fact the film's fault wasn't the tone.

That's certainly part of it, though I think the bigger thing was the team on MoS was involved in the TDK trilogy. Namely, Goyer wrote it and Nolan had input on the story. That won't be the case with the rest of DC's slate. I think Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman will surprise people with how tonally different they end up being from Synder's movies.

 

[Currygan]

Think thats the reason why MoS and BvS are serious, because they tried to be upbeat and failed despite the fact the film's fault wasn't the tone.

this is most definitely true

 

[ArtHands]

we don't know what SS is about other than being part of the DCCU, for all we know it could be the movie that does the most world building out of those 4.

That's why i said "if" in my post. We still need more information about the villain(s) for JL

 

[Black-Wind]

I feel so outta place in these threads. I don't read comics, I grew up on the cartoons like I said in the last DC thread. I watched BB when it came out and I didn't think one way or the other about it. I thought it was a nice film and it starred some old white guy as some villain ... ok. It's strange to me to see people calling that movie some benchmark for cape films. I felt like TDKT was just wrapped around The Joker. In fact, the villains felt like they had too much focus and Batz felt like he had very lil characterization.

People can toss crap at TAS saying "Detective? All he did was mash names into a super computer!" but the cartoons were fucking children's cartoon and those shows/ movies made Batz out to be a smart detective with genius level knowledge of many fields of science. TDKT makes him dumb and reliant on throwing money at people to get them to make shit for his company so that he could use it himself. IDK how that series of movies is loved for anything other than The Joker ...

To me I want all movies with characters I like to be successful ... if they're GOOD renditions of the characters I like. Which is why I have no faith in WB, I didn't like TDKT, I actively HATE MoS and no-one wants to even think about GL. Why should I be excited for them to drop the egg again because they're rushing for that Avenger's coin?

The interesting thing with Marvel is that they make movies about Characters I DON'T know ... because all my top Marvel characters growing up are not with them. I'm more open to seeing their renditions of characters. I never had more than a vague image in my mind of Cap-IM-Thor ... and that's largely shaped by Capcom v Marvel.

 

[Game4life]

One company (Marvel) knows how to adapt their source material.

The other (DC) - thinks everything needs to be grim, gritty, and have as little do with the original content as possible.

So no...the Justice League movie will not dethrone Marvell.

Yeah I expect a movie based on Dark Knight Returns to be very cheery and bright. Batman is clearly not a brooding operatic character but fights among rainbows. I am also extremely pissed that these movies are differentiating itself from Marvel. I think all of them should look bright, cheery and have inappropriate one liners as well. Only when all comic book movies look bright and colorful will I be happy.

 

[Schweinehund]

Not to mention the earliest word on Shazam is that it will be a kids movie. Or at least, they're seeking directors with experience on children's movies.

Also, people saying DC only does grim and gritty always ignore Green Lantern, which despite being a total mess, didn't fit that narrative at all.

Yeah I think the latest script writer treatment they had was a guy who worked on kid/teen movies. Should be interesting to see how they work Black Adam into that.

I thought Civil War and Barman vs Superman came out the same day.

It used to, then they pushed it forward a few months so sales wouldn't be cannibalized. BP and JL were also scheduled to come out within 2 weeks but Spiderman pushed BP back.

 

[EhoaVash]

I always liked DC better. I grew up with DC more than marvel ...which was only spiderman and x-men for me.

DC you had awesome shows like batman ats, justice league, JLU, static shock etc. I'm super excited for justice league because they have a whole better list of villians to tackle than marvel IMO.

Just imagine superman vs joker / lex luthor vs batman ..soo good. I hope warner bros succeed.

 

[ReiGun]

Yeah I think the latest script writer treatment they had was a guy who worked on kid/teen movies. Should be interesting to see how they work Black Adam into that.

I don't see how you make a Shazam movie that isn't a kid's film. The character is literally just wish fulfillment for kids, more than any other hero. I'm sure Adam will be fine; certainly don't expect him to be super blood thirsty or anything.

 

[Dai101]

A random HYDRA mook already answered that:

Sir, it's the Avengers!
Can we stop them?!
Sir...it's the Avengers...

 

[mreddie]

I don't see how you make a Shazam movie that isn't a kid's film. The character is literally just wish fulfillment for kids, more than any other hero. I'm sure Adam will be fine; certainly don't expect him to be super blood thirsty or anything.

It's gonna be interesting, as long as Shawn Levy is nowhere near it.

 

[Loxley]

I don't see how you make a Shazam movie that isn't a kid's film. The character is literally just wish fulfillment for kids, more than any other hero. I'm sure Adam will be fine; certainly don't expect him to be super blood thirsty or anything.

Yep, it's exactly why the character outsold Superman throughout the 40's and caused DC to crap their pants and take Fawcett Publications to court.

Man I really hate Shazam as a name, Captain Marvel is so much better.

 

[CaptainofIndustry]

I think the Justice League movie will be an entertaining superhero film and I look forward to seeing it.

I don't think it will dethrone The Avengers, though. Marvel has been wildly successful so far.....and they haven't even gotten to Spider-Man yet.

 

[ReiGun]

Yep, it's exactly why the character outsold Superman throughout the 40's and caused DC to crap their pants and take Fawcett Publications to court.

Man I really hate Shazam as a name, Captain Marvel is so much better.

It's why I really believe Shazam is going to be DC's Iron Man. That is, character the mainstream doesn't really know that just blows up. If they pull that movie off, that character is going to be everywhere. You won't be able to go to a park or kids' party in the world without some little boy or girl eventually looking into the sky and screaming "SHAZAM!" at the top of their lungs.

The name has actually grown on me even though I agree Captain Marvel is better. I think if it were any other character besides the one whose really 10-12 years old, it would annoy me. But for Billy, it works. I expect the movie will have some kind of subtitle to make the name easier for the mainstream to swallow. Probably call it "Shazam: Earth's Mightiest Mortal" or "The Power of Shazam."

 

[badb0y]

Y'all know that Batman made assload of money alone right? You throw Superman getting his ass pounded by the Dark Knight and you bet your ass it will sell.

Shit, now that it's 3D it's going to gross even more.

 

[munchie64]

I feel so outta place in these threads. I don't read comics, I grew up on the cartoons like I said in the last DC thread. I watched BB when it came out and I didn't think one way or the other about it. I thought it was a nice film and it starred some old white guy as some villain ... ok. It's strange to me to see people calling that movie some benchmark for cape films. I felt like TDKT was just wrapped around The Joker. In fact, the villains felt like they had too much focus and Batz felt like he had very lil characterization.

People can toss crap at TAS saying "Detective? All he did was mash names into a super computer!" but the cartoons were fucking children's cartoon and those shows/ movies made Batz out to be a smart detective with genius level knowledge of many fields of science. TDKT makes him dumb and reliant on throwing money at people to get them to make shit for his company so that he could use it himself. IDK how that series of movies is loved for anything other than The Joker ...

To me I want all movies with characters I like to be successful ... if they're GOOD renditions of the characters I like. Which is why I have no faith in WB, I didn't like TDKT, I actively HATE MoS and no-one wants to even think about GL. Why should I be excited for them to drop the egg again because they're rushing for that Avenger's coin?

The interesting thing with Marvel is that they make movies about Characters I DON'T know ... because all my top Marvel characters growing up are not with them. I'm more open to seeing their renditions of characters. I never had more than a vague image in my mind of Cap-IM-Thor ... and that's largely shaped by Capcom v Marvel.

People like the Dark Knight Trilogy because they're great films. Simple as that. Nothing to do with how "true" to Batman they are (and in my opinion they are very true to certain aspects of the character and universe).

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I have been looking forward to a Shazam film for so long. If they pull it off it has the potential to be incredible.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

But will either of them dethrone transformers 5?

 

[Spinluck]

Depends on if Marvel can nail Spidey for me.

 

[Blader]

I know it was never going to be a real thing anyway, but I do kinda wish that the Rock was cast as Shazam rather than Black Adam.

 

[Error]

It's why I really believe Shazam is going to be DC's Iron Man. That is, character the mainstream doesn't really know that just blows up. If they pull that movie off, that character is going to be everywhere. You won't be able to go to a park or kids' party in the world without some little boy or girl eventually looking into the sky and screaming "SHAZAM!" at the top of their lungs.

The name has actually grown on me even though I agree Captain Marvel is better. I think if it were any other character besides the one whose really 10-12 years old, it would annoy me. But for Billy, it works. I expect the movie will have some kind of subtitle to make the name easier for the mainstream to swallow. Probably call it "Shazam: Earth's Mightiest Mortal" or "The Power of Shazam."

I think The Flash is ready to blow up, the tv show is stupid successful (It does better ratings than AoS on a lesser network). WB knows they are sitting on a hot property with Flash, so its no wonder they want Lord/Miller on it ASAP. Problem with Shazam is that I don't know in which movie they are going to fit in the character and that the solo movie is too far away, I mean 2019? damn, come on WB. Though, I agree, kids are going to relate a lot to Billy Batson, if done right the movie could be very successful.

 

[ReiGun]

I know it was never going to be a real thing anyway, but I do kinda wish that the Rock was cast as Shazam rather than Black Adam.

The thing about the Rock although he's clearly better suited to be Shazam, he's a great cast either way.

Casting Shazam is going to be rough. Not only do you have to get a good child actor, but you have to get an adult who can play a child and still be charming as hell. Then, assuming they're going with N52 Billy, there's the rest of his foster family to worry about. The oldest of which is Mary at like 15 and the youngest is Darla at I believe 8.

I think The Flash is ready to blow up, the tv show is stupid successful (It does better ratings than AoS on a lesser network). WB knows they are sitting on a hot property with Flash, so its no wonder they want Lord/Miller on it ASAP. Problem with Shazam is that I don't know in which movie they are going to fit in the character and that the solo movie is too far away, I mean 2019? damn, come on WB. Though, I agree, kids are going to relate a lot to Billy Batson, if done right the movie could be very successful.

The Flash is going to be huge too. The character has always been one the mainstream is ready to buy into, I think. And now that we have the tech to really do his powers justice, I hope they can nail his movie. If reports of Wonder Woman being a highlight in BvS are true, she's gonna be big before her movie even comes out.

Green Lantern and Cyborg are the two I'm most concerned about. They're so far away (though they'll have been in two JL movies before their solo ones [that is, assuming GL is in JLA 1]), and the former still has the stink of a bad movie on him matched with probably the goofiest power of any hero while the latter is kind of an X factor in whether he can carry any kind of solo story. Some would say Aquaman is worrisome, but I think people have warmed up to him lately.

 

[3N16MA]

I like the new title.