LookAtMeGo
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Punching isnt enough. We need to start kicking them in the dicks.
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Tom Morello re: punching Nazis (on Bill Maher)
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IrishNinja
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the whole "speech isn't violence' meme should die in a fire, read a book or two on fascism & inciting violence
OP wouldn't have heard this from a maxine waters or other woman of color, but i'm glad you finally got the score from a source that spoke to you - now, next time you find yourself decrying the left for indulging "identity politics", OP? read this; to quote coates - think about how trump literally wouldn't have happened except after 8 years of our widely popular first black president; think of how very central to donald's campaign identity politics were: mexican rapists, good people on both sides etc etc. his entire campaign was the biggest, most fragile coalition of bigots & those okay with bigotry over all else, and we wouldn't be here without that simple loss of dog whistles.
OP wouldn't have heard this from a maxine waters or other woman of color, but i'm glad you finally got the score from a source that spoke to you - now, next time you find yourself decrying the left for indulging "identity politics", OP? read this; to quote coates - think about how trump literally wouldn't have happened except after 8 years of our widely popular first black president; think of how very central to donald's campaign identity politics were: mexican rapists, good people on both sides etc etc. his entire campaign was the biggest, most fragile coalition of bigots & those okay with bigotry over all else, and we wouldn't be here without that simple loss of dog whistles.
the funny thing is, that's not what he was doing.. he starting shouting hateful rhetoric and someone came and dealt his ass a ko.
Fudgepuppy
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Oh shit, on all pictures I've seen him on, the lighting made him appear a lot brighter, and since his last name sounds Italian, I never thought about it.
The more you know.
Sorry for my crass wording though.
the_darkness
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"confront hate speech with better speech and more speech".
Ugh, fuck off.
You express an allegiance to Nazis and I couldn't give a shit if you get your ass beat.
Ugh, fuck off.
You express an allegiance to Nazis and I couldn't give a shit if you get your ass beat.
Kill Your Masters
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ISIS is brown people though, you debate those with drone strikes.
TheContact
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Seattle PD Twitter reports proved he was instigating
https://mobile.twitter.com/seattlepd/status/909843600355213312?lang=en
Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
Its pretty scary reading how many people agree with this.
Always-honest
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Yeah dude should have been arrested for hate mongering.
He was asking for a beating. I still think it's better for laws making it impossible for nazi's to roam the streets without being arrested and getting jailtime.. Nazi = hate, racism, etc.
I'll never feel sorry for people like that getting an ass-beating. But i don't think it's the best way.
Agreed with what?
Does free speech give ISIS supporters the right to espouse their extremism as long as they aren't being violent or inciting violence? Yes. Violence against people who espouse Islamist extremism without acting on it? Wrong. Can they wave an ISIS flag around? IMO yes (I don't know what the US laws are surrounding this), because symbols might represent violent ideologies, but are not themselves violent.
EDIT: And if Nazi idiot was going around instigating fights, anyone he attacked or made to feel endangered absolutely had the right to defend themselves with reasonable force. If he was just wandering around trying to get reactions and creating unrest, whoever called the police did the right thing.
I can guarantee you waving an ISIS flag in France will send you to jail.
Authorities take their propaganda very seriously, just like radicalization. Nazism nowadays can be considered as a form of white radicalization, and yes, these people are violent and have killed in the name of their ideology. It's time we take that seriously aswell, because they certainly do.
You're on the verge of a breakthrough here, because there are some who argue that Nazi rhetoric is the threat and a punch is self-defense with reasonable force.
Also you're very wrong about everything relating to ISIS in this post, any of it will get you investigated by the feds and likely jailed. They just don't treat Nazis the same way for some reason. 🤔
FBI on ISIS online recruitment and radicalization:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/...recruitment-on-the-internet-and-social-media-
FBI on Nazi online recruitment and radicalization:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/...recruitment-on-the-internet-and-social-media-
FBI on Nazi online recruitment and radicalization:
i can't believe this has to be repeated so many times
'nazism' and 'peace' are mutually exclusive. nazism is a promise of violence.
ChainedMaster
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Lol what? I see nothing in that quote that even makes him a Nazi apologist, much less a Nazi ally. This is the knee jerk reaction of the left that needs to stop.
ChainedMaster
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You absolutely will not be jailed for waving an ISIS flag. Not in the US. Where the fuck did you hear that?
Mammoth Jones
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No one in this thread or in the media would be going so hard in the paint to defend the free speech rights of ISIS members*
*Unless they're ALL white...and christian
Poor GRIMES
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While it's true that waving an ISIS flag is not criminally prosecuted in the US, your neighbors and fellow countrypeople will probably take it upon themselves to desecrate that flag because of its connotations. Further, any trial that intends to charge those that took action will most likely get acquitted because jurors will more than likely not take the side of the one waving an ISIS flag in public.
It will absolutely get you on a watch list, and at that point they'll find a reason if they want to.
Do you want to be on the watchlist for the FBI? Go ahead..i wait.
MetaCircular
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Is there an FBI watchlist for Nazis/KKK/etc. in America? If not there should be since these people should be classified as domestic terrorists.
The supreme court ruled the money is free speech but giving money to ISIS can land you in jail for terrorism financing.
There is but Trump is trying to change the classifications to get rid of it.
ReplacementPelican
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Lol what? He's clearly not talking about the quote, he's saying that if you ally yourselves with Nazis then you should get punched.
This is the kind of lack of reading comprehension that the right needs to stop.
As an aside, don't say 'the left' and 'the right' in situations like this, adress the person themselves and don't assume their ideological bend in order to justify a pre-determined point that you want to make. I mean, especially if you complain about someone misinterpreting a quote when you immediately do it yourself.
discospider
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Can't there be a middleground? Like punch Nazis, sure, but only after making sure as fuck that they're for real and not just "experimenting" or some shit. They're not always irredeemable. Richard Spencer, for instance, is a clearly irreedeemable Nazi and even if he is redeemable, he's done enough damage already to deserve a punch back into redemption.
airmangataosenai
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Trump really broke people on this site. At this stage trying to talk people down from advocating vigilante reprisal attacks is "Advocating for Nazis". You people do realize how it gets portrayed when people actually follow through on this right! Tge racist claims ignorance and we are left with footage of some masked dweeb punching a random looking white guy who claims ignorance. Great job defending the Republic or whatever it is you think that accomplished in your self-righteous fervor.
Poor GRIMES
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I call to question your intentions when you describe those that justify violence against a violent, oppressive ideologue to be "self-righteous."
airmangataosenai
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Of course you would. Hence the "self-righteous" moniker.
How many of the people at these protestsare actual skin heads with Swastika tattoos and the like? Most the these people are more subtle than that which is a part of the strategy.
How is a guy wearing nazi propaganda a random looking white guy?
Poor GRIMES
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Obviously my response, and those similar to it, struck a chord with you, considering you're more than willing to label me as "self-righteous" simply because I'm not able to give the benefit of the doubt to those that subscribe to Nazism.
I'm sorry that you don't feel overtly threatened by the mere presence of Nazi imagery, but don't confuse concern with self-righteousness.
Both sides achieved.
Wrestlemania
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The only thing Trump broke was the centrists who suddenly had to start empathising with white supremacists to maintain their precious middle ground.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Maybe your time would be better spent trying to talk your friends and family down from being so angry
Dash_Riprock
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This post is so ironic its funny.
Mr. Luchador
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Project Paperclip was a big success.
Bill Maher is a cunt as usual. This shouldn't surprise everyone at this point.
Fuck you and fuck this post.
Do you realize that you should apprise yourself of a topic that you wish to discuss?
Someone literally is representing themselves as a nazi.
We've reached a point where moderate's inaction is leading to a reprisal of hate groups, and minorities and allies are forced into a position where they have to defend the most vulnerable.
After Charlottesville, I don't want to hear tut tutting of isolated incidents and how it makes minorities look when Kaepernick takes a knee and is blacklisted for it.
What is your solution to combating the rise of white nationalists?
Most of the Nazis in the forefront these days are dumb and haven't accomplished anything though
Couldn't agree more. Centrists really exposed themselves. Nothing has changed from the MLK days.
Nice. Incredibly succinct and profound.