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[Bronx-Man]

The only positive Ellison had going was what democrats love most. Identity politics. And just because of the 2 hit combo of black and Muslim compared to Perez being Hispanic.

What is this crap?

 

[The Salt Life]

This thread is making me reconsider whether Bernie fans are actually worth appealing to.

They are not, Bernie needs to go away, he created Imo, a problem for the DNC. it's called "do what we want or we flip out" problem

People like that you can't give into because they will never be happy with not getting their way. Perez will be fine.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I can't believe some of the replies here and twitter...

It seems we should just do everything Bernie says. Don't even hold primaries in 2020, just let him pick, since that seems to be the only way to appease these people.

Coronations are bad, unless Sanders approves of the person being coronated. Then, if that person loses, it's corruption and neoliberalism all the way around!

 

[giga]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

Is this an online poll?

 

[RedZaraki]

Screw minorities

I hope you don't consider yourself a liberal.

Wow. Other people can be single-issue voters over the dumbest shit but I give you my number 1 and I get attacked.

At this point, I guess I don't consider myself liberal. Stupid identity politics bullshit with the same people pulling the strings in the background.

Bye.

 

[royalan]

If your party doesn't want to tax the 1% and make Wall Street pay for the shit they pulled, I'm not interested.

At all.

"If you can't flip burgers, then I don't want you coding my website."

That is literally your argument.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Some dumb mother fuckers freaking out over this shit. Pedantic asses.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

Why should they account for those people? And who even are they?

what a bizarre argument

 

[theWB27]

Yes. This is my number one.

You have to wonder if absolutists are worth pandering to. Pretty extreme.

 

[aeolist]

But you'd rather the alternative right now with Trump. Who has lined his admin with big money, wants to roll back regulation, and the GOP want to take healthcare away from people?

"republicans are worse" failed to work as a campaign slogan. find something better if you want to win.

meanwhile a lot of people, myself included, are reregistering as independents. so good luck.

 

[djkimothy]

They're morphing into the lefts tea party movement. Ideologues.

Your choice, populism on the left or populism on the right? There seems to be little room left for compromise.

 

[sangreal]

The only positive Ellison had going was what democrats love most. Identity politics. And just because of the 2 hit combo of black and Muslim compared to Perez being Hispanic.

Ellison is a good congressman and an all around good dude

 

[Toxi]

.

 

[Discotheque]

i see people still wanna be shitbabies even about positions that literally don't mean much unless you're DWS-level incompetent

anyway here's Some Shit About Perez

Sounds heavily geared towards the voters concerned with labor. Seems like a great choice.

 

[RDreamer]

Wow. Other people can be single-issue voters over the dumbest shit but I give you my number 1 and I get attacked.

At this point, I guess I don't consider myself liberal. Stupid identity politics bullshit with the same people pulling the strings in the background.

Bye.

So basically, "fuck minorities, I'm out?"

 

[Alucrid]

Wow. Other people can be single-issue voters over the dumbest shit but I give you my number 1 and I get attacked.

At this point, I guess I don't consider myself liberal. Stupid identity politics bullshit with the same people pulling the strings in the background.

Bye.

goodbye my fair weather friend

 

[VendettaRed07]

Regardless if Perez can do the job well they should have picked someone else so the party could make a statement that they are headed in a new direction

But Obama gets what he wants I guess and the DNC is just going to keep on doing whatever they want

 

[Boke1879]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

Who are the people that even voted in this? Is this an online poll?

 

[Iksenpets]

I like Perez better then Ellison, but I really don't think he should've challenged Ellison. Ellison was perfectly acceptable, and it's pretty clear the Bernie/Ellison people don't hold Perez in the same high regard that Hillary/Obama/Perez people hold Keith in. Once he had that Bernie imprimatur, Bernie's people weren't going to accept anyone else. Ellison was an easy win to give them, and I don't know why we just didn't.

 

[boiled goose]

Democrats to continue to drag along the anchor on corporate money and keep losing.

 

[Steel]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

You know better than to trust online polls. Come on.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

is that an online poll?

 

[Poodlestrike]

They're morphing into the lefts tea party movement. Ideologues.

They're not even ideologues, it's more like a cult of personality at this point. Perez hits basically all of the progressive policy points.

Democrats to continue to drag along the anchor on corporate money and keep losing.

Have you ever actually heard of Tom Perez before the DNC chair race?

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

Yeeeaah, there's something very wrong going on if that many people want an administrative position to be filled by someone as completely unqualified as Sam Ronan.

 

[sangreal]

i see people still wanna be shitbabies even about positions that literally don't mean much unless you're DWS-level incompetent

anyway here's Some Shit About Perez

If he had been successful in ending "independent contractors" the us would be a better place today

 

[Boke1879]

Regardless if Perez can do the job well they should have picked someone else so the party could make a statement that they are headed in a new direction

But Obama gets what he wants I guess and the DNC is just going to keep on doing whatever they want

So Perez shouldn't be picked even though he might do a great job? What the fuck logic is this?

 

[watershed]

How many people complaining about Perez or lamenting Ellison's loss actually know about either's vision for the DNC? If you're upset, why do you not want Perez besides the fact that Bernie Sanders endorsed Ellison?

 

[Officerrob]

If your party doesn't want to tax the 1% and make Wall Street pay for the shit they pulled, I'm not interested.

At all.

I'm not sure you know what the DNC Chair actually does

 

[Toxi]

Democrats to continue to drag along the anchor on corporate money and keep losing.

You do realize Keith Ellison was endorsed by much of the establishment, right?

 

[Back-In-Black]

Democrats to continue to drag along the anchor on corporate money and keep losing.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[KingKong]

So basically, "fuck minorities, I'm out?"

Im not sure how you think that fucks minorities unless you think you can only do one thing at a time

 

[sturgboski]

If your party doesn't want to tax the 1% and make Wall Street pay for the shit they pulled, I'm not interested.

At all.

Congratulations on never getting any of that because you and people like you cant be adults and see the big picture. Its why we have a President Trump.

No. 3rd Party. Ever. Will win the presidency (the Dems and Republicans have pretty much seen to that since they run the organization that sets up the debates).

I just dont get it. The Democrats are your only chance of getting any liberal policies and people like you rather say "fuck it I hope we continue to suffer because my pure idealized candidate was not chosen." You would think not showing up or voting third party this past election and getting Trump in office with a Republican congress who in a month has undone or put into motion the unraveling of every policy that you might care about might be your wake up call. But no, people like you are just as bad as the people who keep shouting "fake news" and shit like that.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Regardless if Perez can do the job well they should have picked someone else so the party could make a statement that they are headed in a new direction

But Obama gets what he wants I guess and the DNC is just going to keep on doing whatever they want

tl: perez is perfectly competent, but the dems should've picked someone else to appease a group of people who moves goalposts like they're permanently on wheels

thread-wide tl: perez is perfectly competent, but a bloo bloo bloo the establishment wins again (NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT THE FUCKING "ESTABLISHMENT" ENDORSED ELLISON TO BEGIN WITH)

 

[kirblar]

Wow. Other people can be single-issue voters over the dumbest shit but I give you my number 1 and I get attacked.

At this point, I guess I don't consider myself liberal. Stupid identity politics bullshit with the same people pulling the strings in the background.

Bye.

Being willing to sell out minorities in order to get what you want on economics isn't something I consider a liberal position either.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Support him.

He's not Sam Ronan or Keith Ellison. But he better do a goddamn good job. If this man doesn't at least get us a majority Congress in 2018, I'm gonna be fucking livid.

Also- this is interesting:
11,132 people voted in this #DNCChair poll


Yet again, the DNC not accounting for the people.

Not happening unless all of the post 2010 gerrymandering is somehow reversed in addition to dems getting off their asses and voting.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

WTF are you talking about?

He said corporate, so he obviously knows what he's talking about!

 

[sangreal]

How many people complaining about Perez or lamenting Ellison's loss actually know about either's vision for the DNC? If you're upset, why do you not want Perez besides the fact that Bernie Sanders endorsed Ellison?

While I'm sure you know this, the best the part is that their vision is largely the same

 

[VendettaRed07]

So Perez shouldn't be picked even though he might do a great job? What the fuck logic is this?

Because there were others who could do the job as well. We had a lot of good options.

Right now the party has very little trust with its base. This doesn't help that at all.

 

[NYR]

Wow. Other people can be single-issue voters over the dumbest shit but I give you my number 1 and I get attacked.

At this point, I guess I don't consider myself liberal. Stupid identity politics bullshit with the same people pulling the strings in the background.

Bye.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

How many people complaining about Perez or lamenting Ellison's loss actually know about either's vision for the DNC? If you're upset, why do you not want Perez besides the fact that Bernie Sanders endorsed Ellison?

He isn't my unicorn, I'm out, that is basically what this is and will continue to be. Progressives are their own worst enemy.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Your choice, populism on the left or populism on the right? There seems to be little room left for compromise.

What we're seeing here IS compromise. What Bernie supporters want is absolute.

But your argument here is "both sides"? So we'd be in the current situation we're in with this administration with leftist populism?

 

[base_two]

The DNC just doesn't get it and they will likely not pull off 2018 despite knowing well in advance moderate politics Democrats have been selling are pretty much a done deal in House/Senate elections. I so wish we didn't have a two party system in the US.

 

[KingV]

He just made Ellison the deputy chair. Well done.

That was a good move. Hillary could learn something from him...

 

[faisal233]

This too.

Anything he attaches himself to gets attacked immediately. I hope Bernie runs as third party in 2020.

MAGA

 

[pigeon]

Good to know who thinks it's fine if Nazis take over the country because their preferred candidate didn't win the least important job in America

(I supported Ellison)

 

[Trigonometrize.]

Fuck, now all the progressives are going to be voting Libertarian.

Edit: forgot the /s

 

[Protein]

Isn't Tom Perez pro-labor rights and pro-union. How is he pro-corporate?

 

[bachikarn]

White blue collar workers. Not blue collar workers. The distinction is important.

Those WWC voters have been voting on the W part instead of the WC part for two generations now.

Labor's important, but we aren't going to magically overcome the massive amount of racism present in rural white America through any sort of class-based-activism, because they are decidedly uninterested in class solidarity w/ people who don't look like them.

I think it is incorrect to say that some of them did not vote for Trump mostly for the WC part. The margins were so low, that a better appeal to them could have made the difference IMO.

Other wise, aren't we fucked? How would a very progressive candidate would do any better? You think progressives alone would have made the difference in the rust belt and the swing states?

 

[djplaeskool]

Fuck, now all the progressives are going to be voting Libertarian.

VERMIN SUPREME 2020

 

[Roland_Gunner]

This is a guy who advised the Clinton campaign to "whitewash" the Sanders campaign during the primaries. It just shows me the democratic party hasn't learned anything so let's continue down the same old path...

As I said earlier putting Ellison as deputy is just throwing a bone...

This is such non-sense. I went through the trouble of figuring out what you're talking about and anyone can read the email here:

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2...cast-sanders-candidate-whites-turn-minorities

If you look at the actual text of the email all Perez says is that Clinton should emphasize that Nevada is a diverse state so its a big win. Does anyone actually dispute that? Oh and the word "whitewash" isn't even there. Like 99% of the supposed wikileaks scandal this is a completely innocent email people are dressing up to slander Clinton and now Perez.