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[ryutaro's mama]

I would actually rank Kobe behind KG, Duncan, Dirk, and Shaq

I would rank John Celestand ahead of Kobe too.

 

[Jack Remington]

Dirk and KG. Heh. Shaq's peak is top 5 all time, but for longevity, hell no.

Duncan vs Kobe is a good debate.

Edit: KG with a "much better prime"... Ryutaro, what is wrong with these people?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Dirk and KG. Heh. Shaq's peak is top 5 all time, but for longevity, hell no.

Duncan vs Kobe is a good debate.

Edit: KG with a "much better prime"... Ryutaro, what is wrong with these people?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html#advanced::none
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html#advanced::none


There's no question.

 

[Jack Remington]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html#advanced::none
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html#advanced::none

I'm not sure what point you think you just made.

 

[Renekton]

Kobe was never overrated. Well, maybe by the people still calling him the best player in the league by 2011, but they were a minority. Few people actually put him in the top 5 all time either. He's always been between 9th and 15th or so by consensus.

Now you want to talk about overrated, ESPN just ranked LeBron 3rd best all time a month or two ago.

I think Lebron deserves it mainly because he's a Shaq-tier physical freak.

 

[Jack Remington]

Don't get me wrong, LeBron is amazing. A generational talent. 3rd best all time though? You're talking about a guy with two titles who lost some winnable playoff series. Clearly that's not entirely on him, but we're talking about who the top 3 basketball players of all time are, so everything matters.

Jordan is #1. Bill Russell needs to be in the upper echelon... is LeBron better? Is he better than Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Kareem in his prime was monstrous.

Top 3 is rarefied air.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Dirk and KG. Heh. Shaq's peak is top 5 all time, but for longevity, hell no.

Duncan vs Kobe is a good debate.

Edit: KG with a "much better prime"... Ryutaro, what is wrong with these people?

Death throes on the Kobe hate. Dude is gone so peeps gotta get the final salvos in.

GaimeGuy is awesome people though. I just don't get why he is so salty when Wiggins and Townes are poised to be legit beasts in 2-3 years gel time.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Duncan is in the top tier IMO. Kobe, KG and Shaq are a tier below him. Shaq only because as dominant as he was, I think the fact that he was so lazy and unmotivated at times during his prime should count against him. He had the talent, skill level and health (important for guys his size) to be the greatest of all time.