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[Burli]

Wow. What the fuck does it mean when a game is schizophrenic?

It's pretty damn obvious, mister.

 

[Chipopo]

Wow. What the fuck does it mean when a game is schizophrenic? 1up, though I have never visited your site, this ensures that I never will.

the reviewer clearly describes what he means by schizophrenic in the sentence following the semi-colon.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Have any new reviews come up other than 1up and the Guardian ones? From the size of the thread I kept expecting to see new one roll in, but might have missed them.

 

[ypo]

Yeah OK, but what does Too Human have to do with Schizophrenia?

According to Wikipedia "Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality"

Hmm...maybe he's talking about something else? hmmm......

 

[The Innocent X]

Have any new reviews come up other than 1up and the Guardian ones? From the size of the thread I kept expecting to see new one roll in, but might have missed them.

Couple of obscure ones in the official thread, but they weren't nearly as damning.

 

[Burli]

Yeah OK, but what does Too Human have to do with Schizophrenia?

According to Wikipedia "Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality"

Okay, now I have no idea what you're doing.

I suggest you just avoid all further reviews of this game and go and it enjoy it for yourself.

 

[fin]

Isn't Kitton the same dude that had the tag "Owned By Dyack" over the Legacy of Kain stuff?

 

[The Innocent X]

Isn't Kitton the same dude that had the tag "Owned By Dyack" over the Legacy of Kain stuff?

Now you mention it...

 

[wayward archer]

Kill all the painfully generic monsters and you can pick up the conveniently dropped weapons, armour and money and spend five minutes rearranging your inventory. Then it's on to the next area and repeat, with occasional breaks for one off "boss" battles.

Sounds like a lot of games. Some of which are very good.

I notice most of you quoting the guardian review are skipping over "But the game really staggers into life when played online and it is here where the real long-term play will be found", which 1up's review also said more or less.

 

[Omotesando]

the reviewer clearly describes what he means by schizophrenic in the sentence following the semi-colon.

The game is simply schizophrenic; it attempts to be all things to all people and never succeeds in executing any of them well.

Should do the trick.

 

[master15]

I notice most of you quoting the guardian review are skipping over "But the game really staggers into life when played online and it is here where the real long-term play will be found", which 1up's review also said more or less.

Now imagine if 4 player co-op was still in...

 

[Pasco]

Sounds like a lot of games. Some of which are very good.

I notice most of you quoting the guardian review are skipping over "But the game really staggers into life when played online and it is here where the real long-term play will be found", which 1up's review also said more or less.

Well, you know, saying it "staggers into life" isn't exactly the most glowing of descriptions is it now?

And that was pretty much that reviews high-point for the game. I specifically quoted that bit, and I was cherry picking the negatives :|

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Couple of obscure ones in the official thread, but they weren't nearly as damning.

The Guardian is just as, if not more obscure a source. Yes it's a national newspaper, but I doubt one of it's readers buys it for the games section.

 

[Razor554]

k.

 

[wayward archer]

Now imagine if 4 player co-op was still in...

 

[rollingstart]

Yeah OK, but what does Too Human have to do with Schizophrenia?

According to Wikipedia "Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality"

In the context of how it was written, it is clear that he means that it can't decide weather to be an action game or an RPG.

 

[Alski]

There are a lot of people bitching that the review reads like a bullet list of complaints. I haven't played the game but what if there is actually nothing good to say? Should they not review it at all? If you have nothing nice to say, print nothing?

I am looking forward to aditional reviews so that we know where the problem lies. Is it a bad game or is it an inaccurate review score?

 

[Father_Brain]

or is it an inacurat review score.

:lol what

 

[nli10]

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd341/mappster55/dyackmadred.gif[ /IMG]
:lol[/QUOTE]


Meh. C-

 

[Private Hoffman]

Glad to see Too Human get the scores it deserves: C-, 6.X, whatever. Based on the demo, that's exactly what this game is.

I hate to wish bad results for a developer, but with this much funding and hype I almost do just so that those resources could go to a more talented development group. Not sure if Too Human's failing is a function of Dyack or SK as a whole.

 

[Dante]

Have any new reviews come up other than 1up and the Guardian ones? From the size of the thread I kept expecting to see new one roll in, but might have missed them.

Game Informer 6.75

 

[SlasherJPC]

I still think this game is really only going to appeal to fans of the other dungeon crawling, hack and slash, grinding/loot fans. There is a fan base out there for this type of game but most of these titles all boil down to being very repetative and similar throughout the entire span of the game.

So people that liked the demo will more then likely enjoy the full game. The only thing lacking in the demo is the full story , gear, and more levels. If your playing for co-op only, then nix the story aspect.

Hell I played through all of KUF:CoM and man... that was tough but I did it and yes I did have fun. It wasn't narrative driven, or insanely diverse in gameplay, yet it was fun fighting with other people,getting better gear, and taking on the bosses.

So I'm curious if the reviews we have seen that have been negative so far also found the demo bad? Anyways... just a though.

 

[Alski]

:lol what

Sorry, I'm typing on my iPhone.

 

[jonnybryce]

Wow. What the fuck does it mean when a game is schizophrenic? 1up, though I have never visited your site, this ensures that I never will.

Yeah OK, but what does Too Human have to do with Schizophrenia?

According to Wikipedia "Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality"

Oh please. You know what he means. That the game and it's makers are delusional. They're/the game is trying to do too many things and are out of touch with reality. They said it tries to be everything to everyone, and a definition of the word is "personality changes" as well as "disturbances."

And disturbance is

activity that is a malfunction, intrusion, or interruption
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Your attempts to make it seem like it makes no sense and has nothing to do with anything fail.

(skiz-o-fre-nee-ah) The most common of the serious mental disorders. It involves hallucinations and/or delusions, personality changes, withdrawal, and serious thought and speech disturbances.
www.copingwithmentalillness.com/cope/resources/glossary.aspx

A mental disorder (or group of disorders) of variable severity characterised by a disintegration of the process of thinking, of contact with reality, and of emotional responsiveness and usually extensive withdrawal of an individual's interest in other people and their outside world. ...
www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandsta...cationsPolicyAndGuidance/Browsable/DH_4897921

a mental disorder which can result in hallucinations and delusions
www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5579/definitionsdlw.html

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Oh please. You know what he means. That the game and it's makers are delusional. They're/the game is trying to do too many things and are out of touch with reality. They said it tries to be everything to everyone, and a definition of the word is "personality changes" as well as "disturbances."

And disturbance is



Your attempts to make it seem like it makes no sense and has nothing to do with anything fail.

I think it's a lot simpler than that. People confuse Schizophrenia with MPD.

 

[jonnybryce]

I think it's a lot simpler than that. People confuse Schizophrenia with MPD.

That's what I initially thought, as well. But when you take 1 second to google Schizophrenia definitions instead of just going to one source, it's not entirely off. Calling the game Schizophrenic is calling it delusional, out of touch with reality, etc.

It doesn't make the most sense (MPD would make a lot more) but it's not unfitting like Solideliquid attempts to make it seem.

 

[Campster]

The amount of personal insults and hurtful images being thrown about here over a score that is at worst just mediocre is absurd.

 

[dreamer3kx]

:lol

:lol :lol :lol , priceless.

 

[eve241]

Wrong, he insults people over his game, he blames eveyone else for his failures, goes on huge rants filled with pretentious waffle and assigns his game ludicrous qualities such as "changing the entire industry".

And you, if nothing else, like to put words in other people's mouths.

The amount of sad people in this thread is saddening.

 

[BarrelMakingPenguin]

I'm still gonna get it. I'll decide for myself.

 

[AzureNightmare]

And you, if nothing else, like to put words in other people's mouths.

The amount of sad people in this thread is saddening.

The saddest one though is you.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The game is simply schizophrenic; it attempts to be all things to all people and never succeeds in executing any of them well.

Should do the trick.

There's a better word for that. He could have just called it Lamar Odom-esque.

 

[Milkman]

Wow. What the fuck does it mean when a game is schizophrenic? 1up, though I have never visited your site, this ensures that I never will.

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

 

[Moneyhats2k5]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

Sick burn :*(

I've been wanting a NextGen Norrath style game for a while. I guess this is only going to be worth a 30 day rental at Blockbuster.

 

[Perdew]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

:lol

Thank you for posting. It just looks worser and worse... I can't wait for the GAF reaction tomorrow.

 

[civilstrife]

I think this story-driven approach to video-game making is so completely wrong. We get it, Dyack. you wanted to make a game based on Norse mythology. Look where that got you, 10 years, 3 platforms, who knows how many game concepts later. Next time, think about the gameplay FIRST.

 

[duk]

I hope SK's next attempt is a lot better. Seriously.

 

[h3ro]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

So awesome.

 

[BarrelMakingPenguin]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

I don't know if you can/will answer but...Giancarlo only briefly touched upon the story but "rudimentary" was a choice word. You say you can appreciate the spin on norse mythology so do you think that the story was better than Giancarlo is giving it credit for?

 

[MrDaravon]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

Hahaha, nice.

As someone who also inexplicably fell into the KUF trap, are you able to provide any sort of pros/cons between the two? My friend and I played KUF for a while, we are both getting this and hoping it's at least better than KUF, which was interesting but it was a mess in explaining anything.

 

[farnham]

Oh fucking well!

On another note, regarding the 42 that C-Net-owned Metacritic translated our score into, it most certainly does not, according to our own scoring system, equate with as 42.

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

Aww man

I know you really love loot games (like FF CC for DS..)

Guess Too human is a no buy for me

I basically bought the 360 because of Silicon Knights (and Rare)

Well at least Epic and Bungie delivers

 

[Xenon]

As for the game itself, I reviewed it as well for EGM, and arrived at the same score as GianCarlo, independent of GianCarlo (we don't discuss our scores with each other until the text is handed in, to avoid hive-mind stuff). As a freak for loot whoring type games (Diablo II, Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Monster Hunter) I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

What did you think of the PSP hacks like the Untold Legend Series and Dungeon Siege:ToA? Looking mainly for a comparison of the loot systems.

 

[Zeliard]

3rd person combat means the player character is constantly on screen in front of the camera, with every part of the body requiring animation instead of just the hands like in an FPS. Melee combat games require far greater animation where you're pulling off somersaults compared to gunplay ones where you're just pulling a trigger.

How the hell did you reach that conclusion?

Good lord.

FPS games are heavily dependent on enemy animation to convey a sense of the visceral (sorry to use the overused word, but it fits), and to give the gunplay some actual weight. That is why so many shooters concentrate heavily on animation, because it has an enormous impact on gunplay. The game with the best gunplay to date in my view, F.E.A.R., boasts excellent enemy animation which is a big reason why the gunplay is so top-notch. And this is a reason as to why Fallout 3 is in so much trouble, for putting so much emphasis on gunplay and so little on animation.

Animation simply is not as critical in a game that mainly involves loot-hording. The combat is not meant to be brutal and responsive as in games like DMC and NG that put so much concentration on it; it's meant to simply allow you to go through hordes of enemies effectively and quickly and snatch cool loot. That's precisely how it's always been with Diablo and every game of its type.

 

[Y2Kev]

Denis Dyack
Owned by James Mielke

 

[Milkman]

Hahaha, nice.

As someone who also inexplicably fell into the KUF trap, are you able to provide any sort of pros/cons between the two? My friend and I played KUF for a while, we are both getting this and hoping it's at least better than KUF, which was interesting but it was a mess in explaining anything.

I don't wanna end up re-reviewing the game if I don't have to, but the quick hits go like this (for me):

KUF: COD: Pros: Nice character designs/models. Nice high-level armor to keep you motivated.
Cons: Horrible cameras, super repetitive levels, incredibly difficult. High-end armor sets not really worth the effort, although completists will want them.

TH: Pros: Nice attempt at reinventing Norse mythology. Decent variety of accessory and armor looks.
Cons: Poor controls, poor camera angles (camera makes you do all the work, so not fun). Wants to be Halo-level epic, the visuals seem like they were pulled from unused Halo levels, then pulled back so as to be less recognizable. Wants to be Contra-meets-DMC, but go juggle some shit in DMC4 with Dante or Nero and them shoot your enemies in the air. The go try it in Too Human. One's awesome. The other isn't. Ray Barnholt of 1UP/EGM said it best when he said "if only the game were the first level repeated til the game's finish, then it would have been almost fine." While I didn't like the first level any more than the others, this says a lot.

Too Human is definitely worth trying out, and it's a foundation upon which to improve, but any improvements made for future sequels will really showcase how much potential was lost in this first attempt. And yes, four-player would have made up for a lot.

 

[Milkman]

What did you think of the PSP hacks like the Untold Legend Series and Dungeon Siege:ToA? Looking mainly for a comparison of the loot systems.

That Dungeon Siege game for PSP is excellent (looking forward to seeing what Space Siege on PC is like). Highly recommended on all levels. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for DS wasn't really about random loot, but it was compelling nonetheless. I'm a loot-whoring game whore, so I got very excited by Too Human's premise. But execution fail.

 

[MrDaravon]

I don't wanna end up re-reviewing the game if I don't have to, but the quick hits go like this (for me):

KUF: COD: Pros: Nice character designs/models. Nice high-level armor to keep you motivated.
Cons: Horrible cameras, super repetitive levels, incredibly difficult. High-end armor sets not really worth the effort, although completists will want them.

TH: Pros: Nice attempt at reinventing Norse mythology. Decent variety of accessory and armor looks.
Cons: Poor controls, poor camera angles (camera makes you do all the work, so not fun). Wants to be Halo-level epic, the visuals seem like they were pulled from unused Halo levels, then pulled back so as to be less recognizable. Wants to be Contra-meets-DMC, but go juggle some shit in DMC4 with Dante or Nero and them shoot your enemies in the air. The go try it in Too Human. One's awesome. The other isn't. Ray Barnholt of 1UP/EGM said it best when he said "if only the game were the first level repeated til the game's finish, then it would have been almost fine." While I didn't like the first level any more than the others, this says a lot.

Too Human is definitely worth trying out, and it's a foundation upon which to improve, but any improvements made for future sequels will really showcase how much potential was lost in this first attempt. And yes, four-player would have made up for a lot.

Thanks for the reply. I'm getting this 99% for co-op, so I'm thinking we'll still have a good time at least, most of the reviews I've seen so far have mentioned co-op is at least better, if not good. You need to bug Sega about getting PSO I & II put on XBL/PSN with server side saving, it's still the best console-wise.

And yeah, Dungeon Siege PSP is awesome.

 

[Farnack]

Nice Milkman.

I'm expecting the reviews to be the same throughout.

The flaws of Too Human are just too obvious that you can't give it anything above 80%.

 

[mik]

I found Too Human unsatisfying on all levels. I can appreciate the spin on Norse myth, but once past that, there's so little else to keep me coming back to Too Human.

If you fell for the pre-order trap dangling special armor sets in front of you, I weep for your money. On some levels -- make that many levels -- I think Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom did a better job appeasing loot whores than Too Human. I've nothing against Silicon Knights, but if you're looking for a cheap copy of the game, I'd wait about two days, then go visit your nearest EB or Gamestop.

That sounds more like a 42 than a C-.

 

[Quazar]

So who is the third reviewer ? Shane?

And btw milk is 1up still going to post Sakaguchi/Amano interview online? Will it have any extra questions if so?