R_thanatos
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DAT Teaser , glad that they go full sequel , instead of making endless expansions like the "others"
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Toukiden 2 (Koei Tecmo, PS4/PS3/Vita) announced, open world
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Wouldn't surprise me if it made a profit considering the low cost these games take to make.
Bombed where? In Japan, where it was released a whole nine months after the Vita version with zero improvements other than obviously better graphics? Or the west, where most people saw it as a overpriced Vita port?
It did bomb, but surely they weren't expecting much else.
Agreed. That would pretty much make the game for me.
What series does that? All hunting action games have followed the pattern of releasing a base game, an expanded re-release, and then a sequel, just like Toukiden has.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Are KT trying to fill up genre gaps that Capcom are leaving wide open? People want a new Onimusha, an Open world Monster Hunter and Sengoku Basara games overseas.
Between Ni-Oh, Toukiden 2 and their Samurai Warriors localisations, KT are doing historical Japanese games proud. Doing really well at establishing a niche. I hope Toukiden 2's combat packs a bit more of a punch. I enjoyed the gameplay, based off of the demo, but I wanted that kick you get with every hit in Monster Hunter as well.
Between Ni-Oh, Toukiden 2 and their Samurai Warriors localisations, KT are doing historical Japanese games proud. Doing really well at establishing a niche. I hope Toukiden 2's combat packs a bit more of a punch. I enjoyed the gameplay, based off of the demo, but I wanted that kick you get with every hit in Monster Hunter as well.
Canis lupus
Member
Less than 7,000 copies sold so far according to steamspy, hopefully that's enough.
NormalFish
Banned
Holding it back from being canned, you mean?
Kinda sounds like they're trying to go for a more connected experience this time around, but the netcode for the games have been quite bad, so I hope they can figure that out.
Angelus Errare
Banned
People wanting Toukiden to be an RPG instead of a MonHun miss the point of Toukiden.
It's like wishing Witcher 3 was a FPS instead of an RPG.
It's like wishing Witcher 3 was a FPS instead of an RPG.
eastx
Member
Did you know that Witcher 3 is the first open-world Witcher game?
Game. Set. Match.
lol maybe if you're delusional.
People said the same shit about the POSP version last time around and they were wrong. All the PSP version did was hold the game back and hardly added any sales.
Honestly they have to just not fuck up the multiplayer this time. If you're a hunting game, DO NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO PLAY SOLO/WITH AI INSTEAD OF PLAYING THE GAME WITH THEIR FUCKING FRIENDS. THIS IS A MULTIPLAYER GENRE. THANKS.
Honestly, Toukiden wasn't a great MonHun clone, the elements it did differently from MH were the best things about it so further divergence is fine by me.
lol good one
It's meant to be all inclusive for new players and returning ones.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Only if you believe that in order to be a hunting game you have to do everything MonHun does. But then if Toukiden was a carbon clone this thread would be about how dumb the game is because it's just a clone. And that Toukiden players should just play Monster Hunter. KT really can't win. Make it too much like MonHun, people bitch. Make it stand out from MonHun...people bitch that it's not MonHun enough.
Toukiden is fine, people who want a carbon copy of Monster Hunter should be playing....Monster Hunter. People who want to hunt monsters in a game that does things it's own way should play Toukiden.
People who want Toukiden to be an entirely different genre should be looking at other games.
As I said it's like going into a Witcher 4 announcement thread and hoping/wishing it was a FPS like Skyrim.
I think that you are confusing Toukiden Kiwami sales numbers with those of Toukiden vanilla...
Launch of Toukiden: Age of Demons
[PSV] Toukiden # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.06.27} (¥6.090) - 122.794 / NEW
[PSP] Toukiden <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.06.27} (¥5.040) - 66.016 / NEW
Toukiden Sales during 2014 {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28}
045. [PSV] Toukiden: Kiwami # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28} (¥6.264) - 151.638 / 151.638 (79.384 <60,45%>)
245. [PSP] Toukiden: Kiwami # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28} (¥5.184) - 28.417 / 28.417 (11.026 <37,13%>)
585. [PSV] Toukiden: The Age of Demons # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.06.27} (¥6.090) - 5.277 / 238.541 (122.794 <82,18%>)
754. [PSV] Toukiden: The Age of Demons [1/1][PlayStation Vita the Best] <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.06.05} (¥3.758) - 3.258 / 3.258 (402 <11,81%>)
771. [PSP] Toukiden: The Age of Demons <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.06.27} (¥5.040) - 3.088 / 163.270 (66.016 <80,13%>)
I remember because the jokes on that thread about Toukiden PSV + PSP numbers "beating" Soul Sacrifice which was Vita only...
The original Toukiden sold over 550,000 units worldwide where as the expansion is estimated to be over 250,000 at this point.
Angelus Errare
Banned
nvm, ZhugeEX answered the question.
eastx
Member
It sounds like you're the one who wants Toukiden 2 to be something it's not going to be. The reception here mostly seems positive.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Yes by wanting Toukiden 2 to be Toukiden 2 I totes want it to be something different. Toukiden had very little RPG elements and you have people who want to be an RPG (specifically because it's going open world, complete with the usual doom and gloom that comes from a game saying they're going to be open world) moreso than what it current is which is KT's approach to Hunting. Or alternatively you have people saying how open world is bad because Monster Hunter doesn't have it thus it shouldn't be done (ignoring the fact Toukiden isn't fucking Monster Hunter so who cares that MH isn't "open world"?).
Toukiden is a solid foundation, let KT do what they want to do with the franchise instead of hoping it's a complete MH clone or a different genre altogether.
Alternatively write KT and ask them to do a side project RPG set in the Toukiden world.
NormalFish
Banned
judging by the trailer, it seems pretty unlikely it'll stray from it's boss-focused action game background (avoiding usage of the term 'hunting' since it's needlessly confined). Honestly the game could easily be open world if instead of have a town instance and a field instance, you had a town in the middle of a field and you picked a bounty which spawned a monster in the field.
It's more worrying that the game could end up with even less visual variety due to the open world nature, than the game might be a totally different genre.
It's more worrying that the game could end up with even less visual variety due to the open world nature, than the game might be a totally different genre.
Also people berating others for wanting a sequel to be similar to its predecessor are clearly not the most reasonable bunch, do not mind.
TheSpoiler
Member
Open world doesn't mean "The Witcher 3". Somehow, open world games have been lumped together. You have your MMO styled ones like Xenoblade, focused on mob fights. You have your city-based arcade ones like Saints Row. Realistic, more grounded games like GTA. Your emergent, environment-as-a-weapon types like MGS.
Hell, The Witcher is far more quest-based than any of those games.
It's quite possible for an open world game to not follow the line, just like all of those games have. A fighting game isn't just a Street Fighter ripoff, it can be a 3D one like Tekken or an anime fighter like Blazblue.
Hell, The Witcher is far more quest-based than any of those games.
It's quite possible for an open world game to not follow the line, just like all of those games have. A fighting game isn't just a Street Fighter ripoff, it can be a 3D one like Tekken or an anime fighter like Blazblue.
That1BlackGuy
Member
Very happy Koei Tecmo is continuing the Toukiden brand and super looking forward to it.
Man Koei Tecmo is killing it. I'm probably excited for more of their games than any other publisher right now. I absolutely loved vanilla Toukiden and Kiwami as well. Can't say for sure if having an open world will make it better or worse but it certainly has me intrigued. I'll be there day 1, can't wait!
Jarod McChicken
Member
Can't say I had tons of fun with the first one, but really interested about opening the boundaries. It's about time for someone to shake the structure of hunting games. Not really surprising that Capcom will not be the first one to do that with the mainline Monster Hunter, so nice move here from KT.
CamHostage
Member
I only played the demo of Toukiden (the PSP demo, no less), but it did seem like a map-watcher's game rather than one where each stage had definition for orientation and combat. It wasn't something that I minded, but your comment that Monster Hunter uses its zones (which were and probably still are a technical limitation) in a tactical manner makes me realize that hating the zone-loading for it being an old-school obstruction made me miss the possible advantages it offered in the hands of smart game designers.
That said, I do look forward to hunting games without so much zoning and feel this is a potentially a positive step forward for Toukiden to ditch the old engine roots and push the series to the next generation.
(Curious, would anybody be able to explain the deflation of excitement in knowing it's open? Sure, there are ways it could go wrong, but there are also ways it could go much better for the franchise with a larger world too, with a good map/arrow and some smart-but-not-too-smart enemy locating features. Is there something specifically that the doubters are reacting to that turns them off to the idea of this series going open-world?)
People don't want Toukiden to be entirely different. But people are welcoming an increase in scope.
Again, your comparison to The Witcher is hilarious because those games were not open world until 3. And Toukiden -> Open world Toukiden is not as nonsensical as Witcher -> FPS Witcher. It's more like Witcher 2 -> Open World Witcher 3, which is exactly what happened.
I liked Toukiden but the environments were terribly bland and it felt arbitrarily limited, it was as if they had levels like that simply because MonHun has levels like that, and if the developers feel they can better realize their games by not having that pointless restriction, more power to them.
FWIW, I think MH would benefit from being more open as well, it would be a more authentic "monster hunting" experience, but I understand that they have a very specific formula that works for them so that's none of my business.
I hope so too, also because Kiwami was one of their better port jobs on PC, though I'm sure the price probably kinda killed the possible sales of that version.
eastx
Member
Heck no it wasn't. Kiwami had horrendous graphical glitches and performance issues. My system has the specs for it but I can't run it without crashing.
It did horrendously on PC.
Leafhopper
Banned
Call me when KT makes decent PC ports. The Toukiden one was better than their other efforts but, still not something I would call "good" I hear the fixes people have done work though.
Freeman76
Member
I really enjoyed the first game but their art style and enemy design were sub-par for me. The gameplay mechanics were really good, if a little 'un-explained', but the fact that monster parts glowed up was really off-putting. Maybe they will address this in the sequel but I expect not many others felt this way.
I encountered no graphical glitches and no performance issues, nor crashes of any kind but I played it on Windows 7. I remember reading the game had crashes for Win 8 users but I thought they fixed that in some patch?
Still, given the quality of the other KT ports, Kiwami is probably one of the few that was comparable to the new gen counterparts.
TheSpoiler
Member
During the Sony conference.
SolidSnakex
Member
There's one scheduled for tomorrow
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/tgs2015/event.html
It's only 15m long so i'm not sure that there will be a lot of meat to it.