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Transcript of Obama's moving Hiroshima speech

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GorillaJu

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Just thought I'd share this since I haven't seen a thread for it yet and I think it'll go down as one of the great presidential speeches, at least within recent times.

Video for those who want to watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uqLrcD57Cc

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Seventy-one years ago, on a bright cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the world was changed. A flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.

Why do we come to this place? To Hiroshima?

We come to ponder a terrible force unleashed in a not-so-distant past. We come to mourn the dead, including over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children; thousands of Koreans; a dozen Americans held prisoner. Their souls speak to us. They ask us to look inward, to take stock of who we are and what we might become.

It is not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artifacts tell us that violent conflict appeared with the very first man. Our early ancestors, having learned to make blades from flint and spears from wood, used these tools not just for hunting, but against their own kind. On every continent the history of civilization is filled with war, whether driven by scarcity of grain or hunger for gold, compelled by nationalist fervor or religious zeal, empires have risen and fallen, peoples have been subjugated and liberated, and at each juncture, innocents have suffered, a countless toll, their names forgotten by time.

The world war that reached its brutal end in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fought among the wealthiest and most powerful of nations. Their civilizations had given the world great cities and magnificent art, their thinkers had advanced ideas of justice and harmony and truth. And yet, the war grew out of the same base instinct for domination or conquest that had caused conflicts among the simplest tribes. An old pattern amplified by new capabilities and without new constraints. In the span of a few years, some 60 million people would die. Men, women and children, no different than us, shot, beaten, marched, bombed, jailed, starved, gassed to death.

There are many sites around the war that chronicle this war, memorials that tell of stories of courage and heroism, graves in empty camps that echo of unspeakable depravity. Yet in the image of a mushroom cloud that rose into these skies, we are most starkly reminded of humanity’s core contradiction, how the very spark that marks us as a species — our thoughts, our imagination, our language, our tool-making, our ability to set ourselves apart from nature and bend it to our will — those very things also give us the capacity for unmatched destruction.

How often does material advancement or social innovation blind us to this truth? How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause.

Every great religion promises us a pathway to love and peace and righteousness and yet no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed that their faith is a license to kill. Nations arise telling a story that binds people together in sacrifice and cooperation, allowing for remarkable feats, but those same stories have so often been used to oppress and dehumanize those who are different.

Science allows us to communicate across the seas and fly above the clouds, to cure disease and understand the cosmos, but those same discoveries can be turned into ever-more efficient killing machines.

The wars of the modern age teach us this truth. Hiroshima teaches this truth.

Technological progress without an equivalent progress in human institutions can doom us. The scientific revolution that led to the splitting of an atom requires a moral revolution as well.

That is why we come to this place. We stand here, in the middle of this city and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. We force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they see. We listen to a silent cry.

We remember all the innocents killed across the arc of that terrible war and the wars that came before and the wars that would follow. Mere words cannot give voice to such suffering, but we have a shared responsibility to look into the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again.

Someday the voices of the hibakusha will no longer be with us to bear witness, but the memory of the morning of Aug. 6, 1945, must never fade. That memory allows us to fight complacency. It fuels our moral imagination. It allows us to change. And since that fateful day, we have made choices that give us hope.

The United States and Japan forged not only an alliance but a friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim through war. The nations of Europe built a union that replaced battlefields with bonds of commerce and democracy. Oppressed peoples and nations won liberation. And an international community established institutions and treaties that work to avoid war and inspire to constrict and roll back and ultimately eliminate the existence of nuclear weapons.

Still, every act of aggression between nations — every act of terror and corruption, and cruelty and oppression that we see around the world — shows our work is never done. We may not be able to eliminate man’s capacity to do evil, so nations and the alliances we have formed must possess the means to defend ourselves.

But among the nations, like my own, that hold nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them. We may not realize this goal in my lifetime, but persistent effort can roll back the possibility of catastrophe.

We can chart a course that leads to getting rid of these stockpiles. We can stop the spread to new nations and secure deadly materials from fanatics.

And yet that is not enough. For we see around the world today how even the crudest rifles and barrel bombs can serve up violence on a terrible scale. We must change our mindset about war itself to prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they’ve begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition, to define our nations not by our capacity to destroy but by what we build.

And perhaps above all we must re-imagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this too is what makes our species unique. We’re not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story, one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.

We see these stories in the hibukasha. The woman who forgave the pilot who flew the plane that dropped the atomic bomb because she recognized that what she really hated was war itself. The man who sought out families of Americans killed here because he believed that their loss was equal to his own.

My own nation’s story began with simple words: All men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Realizing that ideal has never been easy, even within our own borders, even among our own citizens. But staying true to that story is worth the effort. It is an ideal to be strived for, an ideal that extends across continents and across oceans, the irreducible worth of every person, the insistence that every life is precious, the radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human family. That is the story that we all must tell.

That is why we come to Hiroshima, so that we might think of people we love, the first smile from our children in the morning, the gentle touch from a spouse over the kitchen table, the comforting embrace of a parent.

We can think of those things and know that those same precious moments took place here 71 years ago.

Those who died, they are like us. Ordinary people understand this, I think. They do not want more war. They would rather that the wonders of science be focused on improving life and not eliminating it.

When the choice is made by nations, when the choice is made by leaders, reflect this simple wisdom, then the lesson of Hiroshima is done.

The world was forever changed here, but today the children of this city will go through their day in peace. What a precious thing that is. It is worth protecting, and then extending to every child.

That is a future we can choose, a future in which Hiroshima and Nagasaki are known not as the dawn of atomic warfare, but as the start of our own moral awakening.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Is there video of this yet? I'd like to actually hear the speech in his voice. Man's a great speaker.
 

Coxy100

Banned
Great speech. Will miss Obama - he is such a great man. From that to Trump?! Madness.

On another note...

"The nations of Europe built a union that replaced battlefields with bonds of commerce and democracy"

Stealth Brexit mention - blatantly paid for by Cameron ;)
 

Gaz_RB

Member
I just heard this when I woke up. What a god damn speech. What a god damn president. I don't think the situation could have been handled and better.
 

GorillaJu

Member
"What am I supposed to do here? You want me to apologize? No..no..no...it was your own fault! Ah forget it." *hops on plane*

"I just came in through Haneda airport, beautiful construction in the pillars, some of the best pillars I've ever seen, the Japanese really do know how to build a pillar, but I have to say, I could have done it for even cheaper."
 

Crispy75

Member
Yes, it's an excellent speech. Lovely words. Moving. Eloquent. Obama is the best-spoken US President in a very long time.
 

Foffy

Banned
The speech isn't an apology. It's a call to improve as members of the human race. To hold disdain for war, instead of each-other.

Isn't it odd to hear that from an American? We hold disdain for the "other" and so much of America has become divisive in manners to expand this perception.
 

Jintor

Member
hell of a speech.




i'm still down on bams for drone programs and the like, but he's still far and away the second emperor of america
 
can't imagine Trump doing something like this lol

"Somebody asked me if I liked nuking things and I just had to say, no, no I definitely do not. It's just not a nice thing to do, you know. I bet China is ready to nuke someone right now. They've got big nukes. But I've got even bigger nukes. Great nukes, really."
 

SaganIsGOAT

Junior Member
It really reminded me of some of Sagan's greatest words.

“From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
 
Isn't it odd to hear that from an American? We hold disdain for the "other" and so much of America has become divisive in manners to expand this perception.

President Obama is not just an 'American' and anyone who is making America more divisive sure as hell hasn't been listening to what the man has been saying for the last 8 years.

I had a feeling this would be a great speech and already regret not at least trying to make it down to Hiroshima to see it. No possible way with work the way it was.
 

Foffy

Banned
It really reminded me of some of Sagan's greatest words.

“From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”

I'm sorry, but this needs his voice.
 
In a perfect world, our president would apologize on behalf of the American people for the suffering inflicted on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'd be willing to bet that Obama himself would have no problem doing so if it were completely up to him. But it's not a perfect world, Americans are not united in remorse, and so this is probably the best we could hope for: an acknowledgement of atrocity, implied regret, and a universal call for a more peaceful future. It was a good speech but part of me is weirded out that it was delivered by the leader of the nation who did the deed, on the ground where the bomb fell.
 

GorillaJu

Member
In a perfect world, our president would apologize on behalf of the American people for the suffering inflicted on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'd be willing to bet that Obama himself would have no problem doing so if it were completely up to him. But it's not a perfect world, Americans are not united in remorse, and so this is probably the best we could hope for: an acknowledgement of atrocity, implied regret, and a universal call for a more peaceful future. It was a good speech but part of me is weirded out that it was delivered by the leader of the nation who did the deed, on the ground where the bomb fell.

It would seem weird to apologize for defeating your aggressors in war. The bombs were not unprovoked attacks.
 
I did a minor rewrite:

My own nation’s story began with simple words: All men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Realizing that ideal has never been easy, even within our own borders, even among our own citizens. There was that whole human slavery thing. But staying true to that story is worth the effort. It is an ideal to be strived for, an ideal that extends across continents and across oceans, the irreducible worth of every person, the insistence that every life is precious, the radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human family. That is the story that we all must tell.
 

Chmpocalypse

Blizzard
Just thought I'd share this since I haven't seen a thread for it yet and I think it'll go down as one of the great presidential speeches, at least within recent times.

Video for those who want to watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uqLrcD57Cc

--

Seventy-one years ago, on a bright cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the world was changed. A flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.

Why do we come to this place? To Hiroshima?

We come to ponder a terrible force unleashed in a not-so-distant past. We come to mourn the dead, including over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children; thousands of Koreans; a dozen Americans held prisoner. Their souls speak to us. They ask us to look inward, to take stock of who we are and what we might become.

It is not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artifacts tell us that violent conflict appeared with the very first man. Our early ancestors, having learned to make blades from flint and spears from wood, used these tools not just for hunting, but against their own kind. On every continent the history of civilization is filled with war, whether driven by scarcity of grain or hunger for gold, compelled by nationalist fervor or religious zeal, empires have risen and fallen, peoples have been subjugated and liberated, and at each juncture, innocents have suffered, a countless toll, their names forgotten by time.

The world war that reached its brutal end in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fought among the wealthiest and most powerful of nations. Their civilizations had given the world great cities and magnificent art, their thinkers had advanced ideas of justice and harmony and truth. And yet, the war grew out of the same base instinct for domination or conquest that had caused conflicts among the simplest tribes. An old pattern amplified by new capabilities and without new constraints. In the span of a few years, some 60 million people would die. Men, women and children, no different than us, shot, beaten, marched, bombed, jailed, starved, gassed to death.

There are many sites around the war that chronicle this war, memorials that tell of stories of courage and heroism, graves in empty camps that echo of unspeakable depravity. Yet in the image of a mushroom cloud that rose into these skies, we are most starkly reminded of humanity’s core contradiction, how the very spark that marks us as a species — our thoughts, our imagination, our language, our tool-making, our ability to set ourselves apart from nature and bend it to our will — those very things also give us the capacity for unmatched destruction.

How often does material advancement or social innovation blind us to this truth? How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause.

Every great religion promises us a pathway to love and peace and righteousness and yet no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed that their faith is a license to kill. Nations arise telling a story that binds people together in sacrifice and cooperation, allowing for remarkable feats, but those same stories have so often been used to oppress and dehumanize those who are different.

Science allows us to communicate across the seas and fly above the clouds, to cure disease and understand the cosmos, but those same discoveries can be turned into ever-more efficient killing machines.

The wars of the modern age teach us this truth. Hiroshima teaches this truth.

Technological progress without an equivalent progress in human institutions can doom us. The scientific revolution that led to the splitting of an atom requires a moral revolution as well.

That is why we come to this place. We stand here, in the middle of this city and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. We force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they see. We listen to a silent cry.

We remember all the innocents killed across the arc of that terrible war and the wars that came before and the wars that would follow. Mere words cannot give voice to such suffering, but we have a shared responsibility to look into the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again.

Someday the voices of the hibakusha will no longer be with us to bear witness, but the memory of the morning of Aug. 6, 1945, must never fade. That memory allows us to fight complacency. It fuels our moral imagination. It allows us to change. And since that fateful day, we have made choices that give us hope.

The United States and Japan forged not only an alliance but a friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim through war. The nations of Europe built a union that replaced battlefields with bonds of commerce and democracy. Oppressed peoples and nations won liberation. And an international community established institutions and treaties that work to avoid war and inspire to constrict and roll back and ultimately eliminate the existence of nuclear weapons.

Still, every act of aggression between nations — every act of terror and corruption, and cruelty and oppression that we see around the world — shows our work is never done. We may not be able to eliminate man’s capacity to do evil, so nations and the alliances we have formed must possess the means to defend ourselves.

But among the nations, like my own, that hold nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them. We may not realize this goal in my lifetime, but persistent effort can roll back the possibility of catastrophe.

We can chart a course that leads to getting rid of these stockpiles. We can stop the spread to new nations and secure deadly materials from fanatics.

And yet that is not enough. For we see around the world today how even the crudest rifles and barrel bombs can serve up violence on a terrible scale. We must change our mindset about war itself to prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they’ve begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition, to define our nations not by our capacity to destroy but by what we build.

And perhaps above all we must re-imagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this too is what makes our species unique. We’re not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story, one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.

We see these stories in the hibukasha. The woman who forgave the pilot who flew the plane that dropped the atomic bomb because she recognized that what she really hated was war itself. The man who sought out families of Americans killed here because he believed that their loss was equal to his own.

My own nation’s story began with simple words: All men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Realizing that ideal has never been easy, even within our own borders, even among our own citizens. But staying true to that story is worth the effort. It is an ideal to be strived for, an ideal that extends across continents and across oceans, the irreducible worth of every person, the insistence that every life is precious, the radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human family. That is the story that we all must tell.

That is why we come to Hiroshima, so that we might think of people we love, the first smile from our children in the morning, the gentle touch from a spouse over the kitchen table, the comforting embrace of a parent.

We can think of those things and know that those same precious moments took place here 71 years ago.

Those who died, they are like us. Ordinary people understand this, I think. They do not want more war. They would rather that the wonders of science be focused on improving life and not eliminating it.

When the choice is made by nations, when the choice is made by leaders, reflect this simple wisdom, then the lesson of Hiroshima is done.

The world was forever changed here, but today the children of this city will go through their day in peace. What a precious thing that is. It is worth protecting, and then extending to every child.

That is a future we can choose, a future in which Hiroshima and Nagasaki are known not as the dawn of atomic warfare, but as the start of our own moral awakening.

Damn. That's pretty eloquent, and quite moving. Thanks, Obama.
 

Tagyhag

Member
In a perfect world, our president would apologize on behalf of the American people for the suffering inflicted on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'd be willing to bet that Obama himself would have no problem doing so if it were completely up to him. But it's not a perfect world, Americans are not united in remorse, and so this is probably the best we could hope for: an acknowledgement of atrocity, implied regret, and a universal call for a more peaceful future. It was a good speech but part of me is weirded out that it was delivered by the leader of the nation who did the deed, on the ground where the bomb fell.

Even if we were universally remorseful, apologizing wouldn't have been correct. Especially to a country that not only will not apologize but completely denies what they have done.
 
It would seem weird to apologize for defeating your aggressors in war. The bombs were not unprovoked attacks.

I'm not going to try to litigate the military necessity of dropping the bomb. I've heard arguments from both sides and it never goes anywhere. I think you can apologize for the death and suffering of civilians while still maintaining that it was a justifiable act. Not that I believe that myself necessarily but I'm not the POTUS.

Even if we were universally remorseful, apologizing wouldn't have been correct. Especially to a country that not only will not apologize but completely denies what they have done.

Two wrongs don't make a right. In a perfect world Japan would definitely apologize for the fucked up shit it's done. And Turkey would apologize for the Armenian genocide, and so on and so on.
 

Cub3h

Banned
European here - can you guys find a loophole in the constitution to make Obama a benevolent dictator for life? Pretty please?
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I'm not going to try to litigate the military necessity of dropping the bomb. I've heard arguments from both sides and it never goes anywhere. I think you can apologize for the death and suffering of civilians while still maintaining that it was a justifiable act. Not that I believe that myself necessarily but I'm not the POTUS.



Two wrongs don't make a right. In a perfect world Japan would definitely apologize for the fucked up shit it's done. And Turkey would apologize for the Armenian genocide, and so on and so on.

I think he's trying to reach beyond just a simplistic apology. He's trying to touch upon things that are greater than the dropping of the Atomic bombs and still very much relevant in this day and age. At least that's how I'm seeing it. This isn't about apologizing for the bombing but using the dropping of the A bombs as a spring board to touch on much more universal issues that face everyone today, not just the US and Japan.
 
The leader of the most belic country in the earth talking about peace is quite a sight.
I wonder if he also forgot the obscene amount of money (1 trillion) used to upgrade U.S nuclear weapons.

But yeah, overall nice speech,
 
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