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[GrizzNKev]

Maybe you should help them then.

Lol. Hopefully you know what I meant though. A personal attack like that is only going to gain her more support because now she's a victim too. The people who do that kind of stuff are idiots.

 

[UrbanRats]

i don't think Desillet is a bigot or anything like that, but i think it's this lack of any external factors (like acting ability) that means people working on video games absolutely should recognise when they've written a race/gender/sexuality neutral character and absolutely should take that oppurtunity to take a look at gaming as a whole to see if they can give their character something that would make them stand out.

i understand why straight white male IS a default, it's because most writers are straight white males... but i think its very important for people to realise that they have a default and to scrap it. i don't think we should characterise it as 'natural' or 'organic' to make your main character the same as you. i think we should characterise that as lazy and something that should be avoided unless it breaks your story in some way, or if the balance has shifted so greatly as to see straight white males *underrepresented* in the pantheon of gaming protagonists.

otherwise how do we get to the point where gaming is more inclusive? unless game companies start proactively hiring something other than straight white males, how does that change happen? we can't expect minorities to want to buy more games if they aren't being marketed to, and we can't expect minorities to want to work in an industry that doesn't put out products appealing to them.

so it's up to the straight white males to start the ball rolling. glad to see Cliffy is on board with that. i'm glad to see American McGee and Spicy Horse doing the same thing. it isn't compromising artistic integrity to recognise that you have written a gender/race/sexuality neutral character and to change one of those elements, and defending the status quo just maintains it.

It make sense what you're saying, i guess i find somewhat strange the thought of the industry as something of an ant colony.
So that you change your single product, for broader and long lasting goal (in this case, broadening the user base and the creative one) but again, it makes sense.
What i was trying to say regarding Desillets though, was that i don't think he made that choice in malice, but it was probably the most natural course to him.

I guess gaming is still in its infancy (although it's starting to get old enough, approaching manchildness) phase, building up its structure, so it's more important than ever to force our hand on the matter to try and include more and more point of views in, i just felt that people were being a bit harsh with the AC franchise or even Rayman (though i, too, found that design choice weirdly out of place).
Once gaming will be able to provide products like A Separation, on a somewhat regular basis, and have multiple voices represented, i guess no one will have a real problem with more corny and shallow stuff anymore (after all, in cinema, Swartzy movies have a certain dumb charm that people love), as it should be.

 

[kittens]

I saw the New Statesman article today. So fucking disgusting.

 

[Lancehead]

Lol. Hopefully you know what I meant though. A personal attack like that is only going to gain her more support because now she's a victim too. The people who do that kind of stuff are idiots.

You had lost me at "the better she will look" since this is specifically about deforming her face in images.

 

[Kinyou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI&list=PLA99BA14B8860EE67&index=1&feature=plcp

Too bad that the guy focuses half his time to mock her. Feels like one college student making fun of another because she's going too much "by the book"

Also some arguments are rather weak like "why isn't she satisfied with the classic "bad webcam" youtube look"

 

[way more]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI&list=PLA99BA14B8860EE67&index=1&feature=plcp

"I'm not excited. I'm not angry. You haven't challenged my worldviews, you fit into them."

For a guy who uses that as his motto he sure spends a lot of time personally insulting her.

Edit: Watching more it's clearly the "9/11 Truther" style of vids. Just say 500 things in 20 minutes and hope the viewer agrees with five or them.

 

[charlequin]

Now i generally agree with the other side of the arguments on this topic (the "feminist" side, if you will) but this is something i don't really get, the creation process should be natural and always favor changes that aim to better that core vision, not keeping in mind a checklist.

It's not about following a checklist. An author who can't write a story free from trite, overused sexist cliches without a checklist is not a good author. It's about expanding one's own perspective and writing ability so that the authorship process doesn't have a giant lacuna when it comes to the female gender.

It's certainly true that the holistic creation process for Assassin's Creed led to a male Altair and that just randomly changing the character to a woman would not have been a particularly sensible change. But a creative process that only produces male heroes is creatively impoverished. Inasmuch as female leads are scarce and female supporting characters are so heavily trope-ridden, it's a sign that the collective creative process is failing -- whether due to ouright sexism or simply a shameful inability to imagine a different type of role for women in stories. The most useful purpose of "education" like this is that talented writers who are made aware of these kinds of tropes will do the same thing they did with other hoary old narrative cliches when they were developing their skill -- subconsciously avoid using them and write new and interesting concepts in to replace them.

(I would say that, given their choice to include an Arab Muslim as the hero of AC1, a Native hero in AC3, and a black woman as the hero of the new Vita title, Assassin's Creed -- while obviously not perfect -- wouldn't be super-high on my list of franchises to nitpick on the particular issue of careful thought regarding the protagonist's identity.)

This is just ugly despicable stuff: http://www.destructoid.com/new-game-invites-players-to-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-230831.phtml

Good thing there's no sexism anymore!

That's why I said it looks like the allegory of the cave.

So... you're saying that people who come to have a fuller, subtler, and more complex model of the role of oppressive cultural models and relative privilege as it relates to human society will have difficulty explaining said fuller knowledge to people who haven't had the opportunity to experience it directly? I agree!

Part of the reason I really appreciate the use of the word "trope" in the series title, and the choice to make one video listing multiple examples of each individual trope, is that I've found the TV Tropes method is actually really effective in "pulling back the curtain" for people simply on the level of narrative cliches -- I've talked to more than one person who learned a lot about narratives after reading up on tropes made it impossible to avoid noticing them -- and I hope this approach will be more effective at communicating these ideas than some dry and inaccessible efforts at explaining feminism can be.

 

[plagiarize]

It's not about following a checklist. An author who can't write a story free from trite, overused sexist cliches without a checklist is not a good author. It's about expanding one's own perspective and writing ability so that the authorship process doesn't have a giant lacuna when it comes to the female gender.

It's certainly true that the holistic creation process for Assassin's Creed led to a male Altair and that just randomly changing the character to a woman would not have been a particularly sensible change. But a creative process that only produces male heroes is creatively impoverished. Inasmuch as female leads are scarce and female supporting characters are so heavily trope-ridden, it's a sign that the collective creative process is failing -- whether due to ouright sexism or simply a shameful inability to imagine a different type of role for women in stories. The most useful purpose of "education" like this is that talented writers who are made aware of these kinds of tropes will do the same thing they did with other hoary old narrative cliches when they were developing their skill -- subconsciously avoid using them and write new and interesting concepts in to replace them.

(I would say that, given their choice to include an Arab Muslim as the hero of AC1, a Native hero in AC3, and a black woman as the hero of the new Vita title, Assassin's Creed -- while obviously not perfect -- wouldn't be super-high on my list of franchises to nitpick on the particular issue of careful thought regarding the protagonist's identity.)



Good thing there's no sexism anymore!



So... you're saying that people who come to have a fuller, subtler, and more complex model of the role of oppressive cultural models and relative privilege as it relates to human society will have difficulty explaining said fuller knowledge to people who haven't had the opportunity to experience it directly? I agree!

Part of the reason I really appreciate the use of the word "trope" in the series title, and the choice to make one video listing multiple examples of each individual trope, is that I've found the TV Tropes method is actually really effective in "pulling back the curtain" for people simply on the level of narrative cliches -- I've talked to more than one person who learned a lot about narratives after reading up on tropes made it impossible to avoid noticing them -- and I hope this approach will be more effective at communicating these ideas than some dry and inaccessible efforts at explaining feminism can be.

let me just throw this out there again. Tropes are not inherantly bad. they are story devices. if any given trope is over used, then it becomes cliche, but no story is trope free. i know that doesn't really add anything to this discussion, but if we use trope as a synonym for cliche, there's really no point to the word existing. the problem with gaming is that the tropes used when it comes to female characters are often sexist, but mainly that they're overused. there's nothing wrong with a sexy femme fatale or a damsel in distress if they are part of a wide variety of women in stories. the problem is they aren't.

 

[GrizzNKev]

If something doesn't fit into a trope, will someone make one for it?

 

[Eidan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI&list=PLA99BA14B8860EE67&index=1&feature=plcp

Someone took the time to go through and read her Master's thesis?

Jesus, the woman is just making YouTube videos about video game characters. With the amount of vetting she is going through you'd think she was running for public office.

 

[Devolution]

This is just ugly despicable stuff: http://www.destructoid.com/new-game-invites-players-to-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-230831.phtml

Something something only 4chan something something.

 

[cutmeamango]

So... you're saying that people who come to have a fuller, subtler, and more complex model of the role of oppressive cultural models and relative privilege as it relates to human society will have difficulty explaining said fuller knowledge to people who haven't had the opportunity to experience it directly? I agree!

Part of the reason I really appreciate the use of the word "trope" in the series title, and the choice to make one video listing multiple examples of each individual trope, is that I've found the TV Tropes method is actually really effective in "pulling back the curtain" for people simply on the level of narrative cliches -- I've talked to more than one person who learned a lot about narratives after reading up on tropes made it impossible to avoid noticing them -- and I hope this approach will be more effective at communicating these ideas than some dry and inaccessible efforts at explaining feminism can be.

For the first part yes, but those who have a broader knowledge can only demonstrate it in basic ways that actually 'omit' it, hence shadow puppets.
It is like living in a 2d world, and when you actually see a sphere, the only way you can tell is by drawing a circle again, and asking "can't you see?!".
And 'tropes' are (their use as self-contained/sufficient arguments, actually) one slice of this problem. Any mechanism of presentation can become a trope. And a trope excluded from its context does nothing to show if it is actually negative or not, it is just a note of something that occurs with a 'to be determined' frequency.

Someone took the time to go through and read her Master's thesis?

Jesus, the woman is just making YouTube videos about video game characters. With the amount of vetting she is going through you'd think she was running for public office.

I read a good part of her master, it is like 75 pages with text 12 and huge space. With pictures and spreadsheets.

 

[Duffyside]

Ok, I don't know if I've ever seen Space Jam, so forgive me, but how is Lola bunny "sexualized?" It's something to do with the way she behaves, I hope? Because eye shadow and a skirt don't really mean "sexualized," to me, even if I do think both are stupid.

 

[Tomat]

I don't get it, don't the people who made the shit like that game realize it proves her point?

Or maybe that is the point!

</tinfoil>

 

[GrizzNKev]

Something something only 4chan something something.

something something we already explained this to you but you only show up to reinforce Anita as a victim something something

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

Someone took the time to go through and read her Master's thesis?

Jesus, the woman is just making YouTube videos about video game characters. With the amount of vetting she is going through you'd think she was running for public office.

It really just demonstrates how unstable and psychopath-like modern media have made people, in my opinion. Everything is a threat, but the really big ones - like presidential candidates- must be purged, despite breaking every expectation of reasonable behavior one could think of.

Putting said messages on a visual medium only makes things worse. One could threaten anyone with their lives, and people would still watch as 'entertainment'. In fact, plenty of people has watched beheadings on youtube and other sources as well...

I feel that if you claimed having watched such a video anywhere near a direct relative, and that relative would beat the living crap out of you as a direct result of that, it would be hard to convict the relative of having done something inherently wrong.

But are those video's removed? No.
Entertainment is quite horrible, when you consider it without context. Think trolling, but culture-wide.

 

[Eidan]

I read a good part of her master, it is like 75 pages with text 12 and huge space. With pictures and spreadsheets.

Why?

 

[Devolution]

something something we already explained this to you but you only show up to reinforce Anita as a victim something something

Something something you sure have a lot of stuff vested in not seeing your hobby get critiqued for how it shits on women something something.

 

[Tomat]

]It really just demonstrates how unstable and psychopath-like modern media have made people, in my opinion.[/B] Everything is a threat, but the really big ones - like presidential candidates- must be purged, despite breaking every expectation of reasonable behavior one could think of.

Putting said messages on a visual medium only makes things worse. One could threaten anyone with their lives, and people would still watch as 'entertainment'. In fact, plenty of people has watched beheadings on youtube and other sources as well...

I feel that if you claimed having watched such a video anywhere near a direct relative, and that relative would beat the living crap out of you as a direct result of that, it would be hard to convict the relative of having done something inherently wrong.

But are those video's removed? No.
Entertainment is quite horrible, when you consider it without context. Think trolling, but culture-wide.

Not really certain I agree with that. She's making a big splash with an arguably controversial kickstarter with the amount of funding she has been given. I'm not against her doing the project, but I'm not sure why she wouldn't be open to criticism either.

 

[cutmeamango]

Why?

It was posted a few pages ago in this topic. It is an academic paper on (female) character analysis, so it fits the topic of discussion.
Since her video series has a more lax language given the medium and intent, the paper seemed like a good way to understand how she approaches the subject.

 

[UrbanRats]

It's not about following a checklist. An author who can't write a story free from trite, overused sexist cliches without a checklist is not a good author. It's about expanding one's own perspective and writing ability so that the authorship process doesn't have a giant lacuna when it comes to the female gender.

It's certainly true that the holistic creation process for Assassin's Creed led to a male Altair and that just randomly changing the character to a woman would not have been a particularly sensible change. But a creative process that only produces male heroes is creatively impoverished. Inasmuch as female leads are scarce and female supporting characters are so heavily trope-ridden, it's a sign that the collective creative process is failing -- whether due to ouright sexism or simply a shameful inability to imagine a different type of role for women in stories. The most useful purpose of "education" like this is that talented writers who are made aware of these kinds of tropes will do the same thing they did with other hoary old narrative cliches when they were developing their skill -- subconsciously avoid using them and write new and interesting concepts in to replace them.

I agree when you say there should be more care in the writing of female characters (and not only them, of course) and a better representation of the gender, but on the tropes thing, take for example Avatar (the kid's show): so the first one has this trope of "walking the earth", the second series, Legend of Korra, has gone in a completely different direction, setting the show all in one city, though there's a trope for that, too.
As soon as a storytelling method is used more than twice, a trope is born, but in the end there are just so many ways you can spin a story, using as little "tropes" as possible, and while tropes add to the predictability (which is generally bad) i think no one should get too caught up in them as to lose the point they were initially trying to make.
In a similar fashion less central characters will probably end up in some trope definition (especially when it comes to stories that are less focused on the characters themselves, like action/adventures ones, as opposed to dramas) simply because there just so many ways you can broadly define a character that has to serve a simple purpose in the story (and not all character deserve a central spot, of course).

Again, not to say there isn't a problem, i agree with that, i just want to understand your position on this "tropes" business.
And sorry if i missed a passage, it's really late here and i'm kinda tired.

let me just throw this out there again. Tropes are not inherantly bad. they are story devices. if any given trope is over used, then it becomes cliche, but no story is trope free. i know that doesn't really add anything to this discussion, but if we use trope as a synonym for cliche, there's really no point to the word existing. the problem with gaming is that the tropes used when it comes to female characters are often sexist, but mainly that they're overused. there's nothing wrong with a sexy femme fatale or a damsel in distress if they are part of a wide variety of women in stories. the problem is they aren't.

I guess, if Charlequin's position is like yours, then i think i agree with both of you.
A trope itself isn't too bad, as long as there's not an over-saturation of it?

As long as it doesn't disparage a certain demographic, I'd reckon.

I don't know if you're being snarky or serious, but a trope can become detrimental to a certain demographic through saturation, while being inoffensive in and out of itself.
I mean i think it's the issue we're having here, is that there are a few tropes that are the only ones being presented for the female gender.

 

[Trey]

A trope itself isn't too bad, as long as there's not an over-saturation of it?

As long as it doesn't disparage a certain demographic, I'd reckon.

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

I just hope. I mean seriously hope and pray. That if, and only "if" ( I am speaking hypothetically ) Anita releases her videos, and they prove to be narrow minded, poorly thought out, deceptive, skewed, ( for e.g her Straw Feminist Power-Puff video, which was taken entirely out of context and she flat out lied about and twisted ) to suit her dogmatic agenda that the "journalists" are as quick to throw her under the bus as hastily as they were to throw each and every single gamer headfirst.

 

[anaron]

The bullying reaction from all the inbred sewer mutants is some of the most digusting shit I've ever seen.

 

[Eidan]

I just hope. I mean seriously hope and pray. That if, and only "if" ( I am speaking hypothetically ) Anita releases her videos, and they prove to be narrow minded, poorly thought out, deceptive, skewed, ( for e.g her Straw Feminist Power-Puff video, which was taken entirely out of context and she flat out lied about and twisted ) to suit her dogmatic agenda that the "journalists" are as quick to throw her under the bus as hastily as they were to throw each and every single gamer headfirst.

Gamers. Always the real victim.

 

[UrbanRats]

I just hope. I mean seriously hope and pray. That if, and only "if" ( I am speaking hypothetically ) Anita releases her videos, and they prove to be narrow minded, poorly thought out, deceptive, skewed, ( for e.g her Straw Feminist Power-Puff video, which was taken entirely out of context and she flat out lied about and twisted ) to suit her dogmatic agenda that the "journalists" are as quick to throw her under the bus as hastily as they were to throw each and every single gamer headfirst.

I don't even follow her nor care about her videos, yet:

1) Her videos being or not shit do not make the general discussion pointless or not worth having. It's not about her.

2) The idiotic comments (those that are idiotic, not the ligitimate critiques) are idiotic regardless of the quality of the videos.

 

[Campster]

I just hope. I mean seriously hope and pray. That if, and only "if" ( I am speaking hypothetically ) Anita releases her videos, and they prove to be narrow minded, poorly thought out, deceptive, skewed, ( for e.g her Straw Feminist Power-Puff video, which was taken entirely out of context and she flat out lied about and twisted ) to suit her dogmatic agenda that the "journalists" are as quick to throw her under the bus as hastily as they were to throw each and every single gamer headfirst.

Yes, because "poorly thought out" internet videos are tantamount to harassment and threats.

 

[plagiarize]

As long as it doesn't disparage a certain demographic, I'd reckon.

damsel in distress isn't disparaging. what's disparaging is the massive over representation of damsels in distress amongst the female characters in gaming.

 

[Johann]

I'd agree with you, but I think that plot point was largely motivated by not wanting to

Spoiler

pay Kristen Bell money anymore

than any sort of gender politics.

I'm surprised that Ubisoft took so long. She's had a bad habit of breaking NDA for the AC games and revealing important pieces of plot and gameplay well before the development team and marketing are willing to discuss it, such as revealing that characters "jack into the matrix" for the first game and some story spoilers for the sequel. They also couldn't just replace

Spoiler

her voice actor. Similar to Desmond being based on Francisco Randez, the Lucy character design is based on Kristen Bell. They might still have to pay royalties for using her likeness. Any contract or scheduling dispute probably made the decision easier.

Someone took the time to go through and read her Master's thesis?

Jesus, the woman is just making YouTube videos about video game characters. With the amount of vetting she is going through you'd think she was running for public office.

Her thesis paper (and subsequent video series) is what made her a divisive figure within the youtube feminist community. She demonizes sexuality and what see describes as postive male exclusive traits. If anything, a lot of her opponents find her views to be in line with female Fox News anchors (patriarchy without a penis, if you will).

As for her thesis paper, it's a hodgepodge of different ideas with some cited sources outright contradicting each other or the specific idea they are supposed to support. Much of the analysis itself is limited to certain types of sci-fi or fantasy tv shows and fitting them into broad archetypes as opposed to delving deeper into the work itself. On a more technical level, her thesis paper has everything your teacher told you not to do; it rans the gamut from hit and run sentences to block quote padding.

What kills me is that the the concept of tropes she bases her work on had gone on to become a breeding ground for misogynists, rape apologists, and child porn archivists.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

I really love how this is developing. We're really seeing just how fucking deranged games culture is. Bring on the in-app purchases, the DLC, bring on the Sims vs. Angry Birds, bring it all on. All the critics were right. Jack Thompson was right.

 

[Emitan]

I really love how this is developing. We're really seeing just how fucking deranged games culture is. Bring on the in-app purchases, the DLC, bring on the Sims vs. Angry Birds, bring it all on. All the critics were right. Jack Thompson was right.

I'll... just read books.

 

[UrbanRats]

I really love how this is developing. We're really seeing just how fucking deranged games culture is. Bring on the in-app purchases, the DLC, bring on the Sims vs. Angry Birds, bring it all on. All the critics were right. Jack Thompson was right.

It's not something specific to the games culture, i'm afraid.

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

Her thesis paper and the analysis she has given so far with her videos and writings, as I have said before, point to that either she is a Cultural Marxist with obvious radical feminism as her educational foundation and key to her psychological makeup and broken reasoning. Or she is a high functioning psychopath. Infact, she might be both.

However, I 100% denounce the violence and torrent of hate these clowns have undertaken, they are actually giving her ammunition without realising it. They are hurting us all with their vile display.

 

[Duffyside]

Her thesis paper and the analysis she has given so far with her videos and writings, as I have said before, point to that either she is a Cultural Marxist with obvious radical feminism as her educational foundation and key to her psychological makeup and broken reasoning. Or she is a high functioning psychopath. Infact, she might be both.

However, I 100% denounce the violence and torrent of hate these clowns have undertaken, they are actually giving her ammunition without realising it. They are hurting us all with their vile display.

This was a great job at eloquently calling her names. Care to back any of it up with some examples and reasoning?

 

[Devolution]

I really love how this is developing. We're really seeing just how fucking deranged games culture is. Bring on the in-app purchases, the DLC, bring on the Sims vs. Angry Birds, bring it all on. All the critics were right. Jack Thompson was right.

It's just more shit to expect from a large group of people who refuse to see their hobby critiqued in any sort of fashion. In terms of portrayals and basic treatment of women, this goes even beyond gaming though the focus is directly on it. I would consider gaming and a couple of other subcultures as the quintessential last "boys clubs." So many are rallying against more inclusion and better treatment of women since they've been allowed to wallow in sexism/misogyny without too much backlash and criticism. Now times are a changing and they're digging in deep.

 

[Riposte]

Someone took the time to go through and read her Master's thesis?

Jesus, the woman is just making YouTube videos about video game characters. With the amount of vetting she is going through you'd think she was running for public office.

So you think legitimate criticism is unreasonable because it is too legitimate? He's attacking her analytical ability so naturally that would mean he would reference her most important work in the past. The atmosphere around her where she uses death threats, 4chan comics, etc to represent an invisible campaign against her invites a more challenging approach from those who see through that common trick (if only to prove it wrong). Shouldn't we be thankful someone is actually tackling this in a manner which is above the usual youtube comment. That's ultimately what people are asking here, right?

 

[way more]

Her thesis paper and the analysis she has given so far with her videos and writings, as I have said before, point to that either she is a Cultural Marxist with obvious radical feminism as her educational foundation and key to her psychological makeup and broken reasoning. Or she is a high functioning psychopath. Infact, she might be both.

However, I 100% denounce the violence and torrent of hate these clowns have undertaken, they are actually giving her ammunition without realising it. They are hurting us all with their vile display.

How does Cultural Marxism relate to Psychopathy? I might have one of those words defined wrong in my brain.

 

[Eidan]

So you think legitimate criticism is unreasonable because it is too legitimate? He's attacking her analytical ability so naturally that would mean he would reference her most important work in the past. The atmosphere around her where she uses death threats, 4chan comics, etc to represent an invisible campaign against her invites a more challenging approach from those who see through that common trick (if only to prove it wrong). Shouldn't we be thankful someone is actually tackling this in a manner which is above the usual youtube comment. That's ultimately what people are asking here, right?

I guess I'm just impressed at the lengths people will go to show that someone isn't qualified to handle the difficult task of explaining that Princess Peach is a damsel in distress, and that that is a commonly seen trope in gaming. Keep fighting the good fight.

I could also read her thesis. But I would rather just wait until she makes a video before I start criticizing the videos.

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

This was a great job at eloquently calling her names. Care to back any of it up with some examples and reasoning?

Calling someone a Cultural Marxist is not a name, its aligning her with an ideology that she has presently asserted herself into, by herself, throughout her sociological reasoning as presented to us.

How does Cultural Marxism relate to Psychopathy? I might have one of those words defined wrong in my brain.

The two are both different terms, but they can be intertwined into the same individual, by her cunning, pathological lying, subversion or redirection of the truth of a subject and manipulation.

 

[way more]

The two are both different terms, but they can be intertwined into the same individual, by her cunning, pathological lying, subversion or redirection of the truth of a subject and manipulation.

Sounds like good ol' fashioned academic writing to me.

 

[plagiarize]

Calling someone a Cultural Marxist is not a name, its aligning her with an ideology that she has presently asserted herself into, by herself, throughout her sociological reasoning as presented to us.



The two are both different terms, but they can be intertwined into the same individual, by her cunning, pathological lying, subversion or redirection of the truth of a subject and manipulation.

you need to be more apathetic. or you need to change your name.

according to wiki... Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, lacking guilt, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, nonplanfulness, impulsivity, and antisocial behaviors such as parasitic lifestyle and criminality.

i bolded the ones that i could accuse you of with just as much foundation as your own accusations. i'm not going to accuse you of any though. nor am i going to say you might be a psychopath, because i think i can argue with the substance of your points, rather than trying to paint you with mental illnesses like being a pathological liar or a psychopath. you're better than such accusations, so please put some effort into your arguments. the debate is worth it.

 

[stupei]

A pathological liar, a Cultural Marxist, a radical feminist, and a high functioning psychopath.

Thank god we're not resorting to calling her names, I can't imagine what that would involve.

 

[Duffyside]

Calling someone a Cultural Marxist is not a name, its aligning her with an ideology that she has presently asserted herself into, by herself, throughout her sociological reasoning as presented to us.

Still no examples though?

Also, don't expect the term "Marxist" to be taken as a negative by GAF. Unfortunately.

 

[Eidan]

A pathological liar, a Cultural Marxist, a radical feminist, and a high functioning psychopath.

Thank god we're not resorting to calling her names, I can't imagine what that would involve.

Such venom, and all from daring to discuss video game characters. Imagine if she decided to start talking about equal pay! Mygodmygod.

 

[plagiarize]

A pathological liar, a Cultural Marxist, a radical feminist, and a high functioning psychopath.

Thank god we're not resorting to calling her names, I can't imagine what that would involve.

hey, he's not calling her names. he's just diagnosing her with mental illnesses.

i personally find that much more distasteful.

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

But Plagiarize; she has blatantly lied, and or completely reversed the content in her videos in the past, numerous times, the videos are there to see. You could apply those terms to me if you so wish, but they wouldn't apply.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

hey, he's not calling her names. he's just diagnosing her with mental illnesses.

Two completely different things.

(the sad part is that there are those out there that would actually say this in earnest)

But Plagiarize; she has blatantly lied, and or completely reversed the content in her videos in the past, numerous times, the videos are there to see. You could apply those terms to me if you so wish, but they wouldn't apply.

... I don't see how you can connect re-edited videos to being a communist.

 

[UrbanRats]

Also, don't expect the term "Marxist" to be taken as a negative by GAF. Unfortunately.

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[Riposte]

Such venom, and all from daring to discuss video game characters. Imagine if she decided to start talking about equal pay! Mygodmygod.

I imagine people would take her more seriously. You don't seem to at all.


EDIT: Are we calling her a psychopath? That's absurd. If anything she just lacks perspective and comes off as a naive student who reads more than she thinks/lives (maybe why she aims for such a minute battle: videogame's storylines and characters). Also a Joss Whedon fan.

 

[plagiarize]

But Plagiarize; she has blatantly lied, and or completely reversed the content in her videos in the past, numerous times, the videos are there to see. You could apply those terms to me if you so wish, but they wouldn't apply.

to call someone a pathological liar is to diagnose them with a mental illness. proving that someone lied, does not come close to proving they have a mental illness.

not remotely.

if you do not know this, maybe you should learn what those big words mean before you start tossing them around.