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[Ragingnight]

Because a large percentage of the people who supported her are likely culprits of the very things she attempts to criticize. Droves of men rushed to throw money at her and lift her on their shoulders because she's a female talking about video games. The negativity toward her only made the donations flow in faster: the more money we give her, the more she'll be protected from those nasty naysayers!

Interesting.

I don't know much about this girl outside the whole women vs tropes but god she can't even regurgitate information about a game she is critiquing correctly. She couldn't even open a webpage and just read the plot synopsis. I mean she has a decent argument for the marketing part but everything before that is just "why?"

 

[LightofRohan]

Did this documentary ever come out?

Also. Are there a LOT of feminists on the internet or am I just reading too much into things?

 

[Wolves Evolve]

Everytime I read this thread, I wish I could donate more money to her.

I don't even plan to watch them!

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Also. Are there a LOT of feminists on the internet or am I just reading too much into things?

There are extremists everywhere.

You're reading.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

Seriously?

That's what the entire video series is about.

They're not even out yet you dope! What is so hard to comprehend here? When you research a topic you have to categorize things by their level of relevance. A good portion of those characters are probably meant to be used as positive or neutral examples to exemplify just how bad the bad ones are.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

They're not even out yet you dope!

You make it so easy for me to write you off. It's adorable.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

You make it so easy for me to write you off. It's adorable.

AHAHAHAHAHA

 

[polyh3dron]

The most ironic thing about this is how Anita seemingly has no qualms over actually being portrayed herself as a Damsel In Distress like in that Global TV piece.

 

[GrizzNKev]

You make it so easy for me to write you off. It's adorable.

AHAHAHAHAHA

It really is.

The most ironic thing about this is how Anita seemingly has no qualms over actually portraying herself as a Damsel In Distress.

That's what I've been getting at for about a month.

 

[TaroYamada]

... I just watched her bayonetta video and holy shit was that bad. Why did people pay this girl to do "research" when her past record shows that she can't even "research" the game she played for fun?

Desperate politically correct people attempting to overblow something? That was how I felt when this whole thing was going on, and the results thus far have only cemented my position. I once watched a video she made about sexist Christmas songs that I found in this thread and it was woefully misinformed. That was also made before the Kickstarter as far as I know. Besides that, I think many of the supporters didn't understand what third wave feminism was associated with, and they associate feminism with more widely accepted first and second wave ideals. I personally stop supporting feminism somewhere in the neighborhood of second wave (as in I support some of the views associated with second wave but not all).

 

[Wrestlemania]

Incredible that people don't think she could possibly be citing some of those games as varying examples of those trope - good, bad possibly subverting the trope. "It's on the whiteboard, she must think it's offensive!"

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

The most ironic thing about this is how Anita seemingly has no qualms over actually portraying herself as a Damsel In Distress.

It would be ironic if she was asking a man to save her. I know children who can argue better than this.

 

[Kinyou]

... I just watched her bayonetta video and holy shit was that bad. Why did people pay this girl to do "research" when her past record shows that she can't even "research" the game she played for fun?

I'm not even so sure if she played it for fun(or at all). Felt more like she got upset about the marketing campaign and then worked her way backwards.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'm not even so sure if she played it for fun. Felt more like she got upset about the marketing campaign and then worked her way backwards.

It's very hard to see how anyone could play Bayonetta and come to the conclusions that she did. The actual comments about the game in that video are extremely bizarre.

 

[GrizzNKev]

It's very hard to see how anyone could play Bayonetta and come to the conclusions that she did. The actual comments about the game in that video are extremely bizarre.

Not to mention her criticisms of the character Bayonetta are factually incorrect. Meaning she didn't play past 2/3 of the game, if at all.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I know children who can argue better than this.

Okay. Serious question time here.

Why do you think it's so noble and, I don't know, productive to be insulting people like this?

You bring up some good points, but nobody takes you seriously if you're calling them fucktard like you're six and the goal is to make the other kid cry.

 

[Trey]

Uh... no they're not. Its just a list of different videogame characters organized by a common trope. Pretty hard to comprehend, right? Maybe you should wait until she says they're sexist examples before arguing it.

Given the theme of her interviews and the general discussion around the project, it would appear that many (myself included) thought the whole point of this undertaking was to bring to light all the negative reinforcement gaming provides against women. Being on a whiteboard outlining a trope against women seems like it is being called out for sexism.

But sure, you're right. She hasn't made the video yet. The time will come for criticism and discussion. Until then, her prior and less funded videos are being critically analyzed and looked at as a preview of where those kick starter funds went.

 

[zkylon]

Seriously?

That's what the entire video series is about.

She mentioned she would name a couple of positive female characters (Positive Female Characters! - Video #11, as part of one of her set of stretch goals), so, you know. She could also just put in them in the board, play the game, and change her mind.

Nothing's set in stone yet, I don't know why do a 180 on her based on a clearly WIP white board.

I'll agree it doesn't inspire confidence, that's for sure, but again, sounds too rushed a change of mind.

but nobody takes you seriously if you're calling them f*** like you're six and the goal is to make the other kid cry.

You should probably censor that. Just to be on the safe side.

 

[polyh3dron]

It would be ironic if she was asking a man to save her. I know children who can argue better than this.

And I know civilized people who can argue without using personal attacks insulting someone's intelligence and maturity.

Also, how much of that Kickstarter money do you think came from women?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

She mentioned she would name a couple of positive female characters (Positive Female Characters! - Video #11, as part of one of her set of stretch goals), so, you know. She could also just put in them in the board, play the game, and change her mind.

Nothing's set in stone yet, I don't know why do a 180 on her based on a clearly WIP white board.

I'll agree it doesn't inspire confidence, that's for sure, but again, sounds too rushed a change of mind.

See, I respect zkylon because:

a) they clearly express their opinion in a manner respectful of the other person's position

b) they have a history of making intelligent posts based on critical thinking before posting

Notch, you have neither.

No wonder nobody is responding well to you.

No wonder.

Also, how much of that Kickstarter money do you think came from women?

Not relevant enough.

 

[LightofRohan]

So there is a bayonetta video? Where?

The series she was kickstarted for isnt even out yet? What the fuck.

 

[Nert]

Show me who is mad as hell that it is being discussed at all.

Quote me the posts.

I apologize if my post wasn't clear; that particular sentence pertained to the reaction to the GiantBomb articles (where many people were telling Patrick that that type of story had no place on the website blah blah. There are dozens of examples, but I don't want to wade through 3,200+ comments again across those two articles right before I go to sleep).

When I said that this topic "sort of reminded me of the intense hostility Patrick faced on GiantBomb," I was drawing a rough comparison to people lining up to criticize anything Anita related as it trickles out before her actual videos are out (example: GrizzNKev's implications that she's focused on making herself look like a victim more than anything else because she decided to participate in various interviews). The central point being that there's something about this topic that riles people up more than usual.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

Okay. Serious question time here.

Why do you think it's so noble and, I don't know, productive to be insulting people like this?

You bring up some good points, but nobody takes you seriously if you're calling them faggot like you're six and the goal is to make the other kid cry.

I called you stupid because you wrote stupid shit. If you actually show that you're capable of discussing the subject matter without righteously stroking your own ego by projecting ridiculous arguments onto your opponent like an adult then I'll start talking to you like one.

And I know civilized people who can argue without using personal attacks insulting someone's intelligence and maturity.

Also, how much of that Kickstarter money do you think came from women?

O_O... Uh, what on Earth are you saying here?

 

[Ragingnight]

So there is a bayonetta video? Where?

The series she was kickstarted for isnt even out yet? What the fuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

apparently she deleted on her page because she got proven how wrong she was in terms of the actual game.

 

[zkylon]

See, I respect zkylon because:

a) they clearly express their opinion in a manner respectful of the other person's position

b) they have a history of making intelligent posts based on critical thinking before posting

Notch, you have neither.

No wonder nobody is responding well to you.

No wonder.



Not relevant enough.

Thanks but why am I a "they" lol.

 

[TaroYamada]

So there is a bayonetta video? Where?

The series she was kickstarted for isnt even out yet? What the fuck.

Pretty sure this is the original. She later edited and claimed the inaccuracies were "jokes". Edit: Beaten

 

[GrizzNKev]

So there is a bayonetta video? Where?

The series she was kickstarted for isnt even out yet? What the fuck.

Bayonetta vid.

She removed it from her channel once people started calling her out for getting the plot of the game wrong. It was obvious she made the video for inflammatory purposes. It has since been rehosted by other people.

I called you stupid because you wrote stupid shit. If you actually show that you're capable of discussing the subject matter without righteously stroking your own ego by inferring ridiculous argument onto your opponent like an adult then I'll start talking to you like one.

Wow.

 

[QaaQer]

I definitely wouldn't have phrased it the way he did (with personal insults and the like), but... yeah, a lot of this thread has the feeling of people reaching for things to pick apart before she's even released anything. People are piecing together stray tweets, interviews with other interested media outlets and screenshots of white boards and saying things "the cracks in the wall just keep growing."

I don't even feel like I'm defending her, here, because she hasn't made anything for me to defend yet. I might even disagree with her final analysis, who knows! It just seems silly to try to take it down before it's out.

It sort of reminds me of the intense hostility that Patrick Klepek faced on GiantBomb this week for simply bringing up the subject of sexism in the games industry. It's one thing to disagree with the premise "there is sexism in the games industry," but it's another thing to be aggravated by the topic being discussed at all.

I find this thread aggravating, present company excepted. The sad attempts to rip apart something that doesn't even exist yet seems...idk, desperate?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I called you stupid because you wrote stupid shit. If you actually show that you're capable of discussing the subject matter without righteously stroking your own ego by projecting ridiculous arguments onto your opponent like an adult then I'll start talking to you like one.

And yet you are the one insulting people's IQ and making posts where all you do is go 'LOL' as if it is supposed to mean something.

... okay.

We're done here.

 

[polyh3dron]

So there is a bayonetta video? Where?

The series she was kickstarted for isnt even out yet? What the fuck.

Anita Sarkeesian's Bayonetta Video

I had already posted the link earlier on this page.

 

[slightconfuse]

There are 2 videos probably posted in this thread criticism her methods. Basically she restates tv tropes with out doing any research and people get ma at her.

I hope she does a good job but her track record speaks otherwise

 

[Trey]

Thanks but why am I a "they" lol.

HP didn't want to append a gender onto you.

That kind of hesitation tends to come up in threads such as these.

 

[IHaveCandy]

If I were here and on TED, I wouldn't have wasted time talking about the online harassment she got. It didn't really give any real insight. She could have used it to just show some of her work.

 

[Rubius]

You know, if you really have a problem with those, you should try push back against them the same way feminists try to push back against objectified female characters.

A character, by definition, is an object. Its there to convey an emotion or a feeling, or be use by the plot for some reason. I doubt anybody can find a non objectified character. I cannot find one personally.

 

[zkylon]

HP didn't want to append a gender onto you.

That kind of hesitation tends to come up in threads such as these.

Oh, well, I like to think my english's pretty decent but these things tend to pop up

I'm a boy btw

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

HP didn't want to append a gender onto you.

That kind of hesitation tends to come up in threads such as these.

You're more aware of the tendency to place male gender on to faceless internet posts, yeah.

(Plus I mistook JaseC and PlasticPassion for girls already - well, because I got PP confused with another GAF from an LA GAF Meet)

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

If I were here and on TED, I wouldn't have wasted time talking about the online harassment she got. It didn't really give any real insight. She could have used it to just show some of her work.

Wasted time? You act like she's talking to the people who harassed her. Her speech culminated with the audience clapping at how much money she raised. Or are you talking about her youtube series?

And yet you are the one insulting people's IQ and making posts where all you do is go 'LOL' as if it is supposed to mean something.

... okay.

We're done here.

It means you're not very smart, as illustrated here.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I'm a boy btw

Lame.

 

[LightofRohan]

Pretty sure this is the original. She later edited and claimed the inaccuracies were "jokes". Edit: Beaten

Oh god, this is embarrassing. I thought she was doing this to intelligently discuss how woman are portrayed in games, this just seems like immature ramblings and hating on straight men.

This whole thing just baffles my mind...

 

[QaaQer]

Anita Sarkeesian's Bayonetta Video

I had already posted the link earlier on this page.

She kinda looks like Bayonetta.

The vid, I think, was making the point that actual sexual harassment on Japanese trains happens, and here is this hyper sexualized ad for a hyper sexualized game which asks men to undress her. I thought it was interesting.

Don't know what the fuss is about. Is it because she said Bayonetta was a single mom?

 

[GrizzNKev]

She kinda looks like Bayonetta.

The vid, I think, was making the point that actual sexual harassment on Japanese trains happens, and here is this hyper sexualized ad for a hyper sexualized game which asks men to undress her. I thought it was interesting.

Don't know what the fuss is about. Is it because she said Bayonetta was a single mom?

Yeah. Nobody is complaining about the sexual harassment in Japan part, but that's not related to video games so much.

Half of the video was dedicated to bashing Bayonetta, which she proved she hadn't even completed, or perhaps played at all, by demonstrating she was entirely unfamiliar with the plot or characters.

 

[LightofRohan]

I find it odd even bringing up about other countries and their groping rates when discussing games... Seems a little grasping.

And if she's bringing up other countries female problems then shouldn't she focus this video about how in some countries woman aren't even allowed to show skin at all in public? Kind of trivializes wanting more fully dressed, strong female game characters in games.

Yeah. Nobody is complaining about the sexual harassment in Japan part, but that's not related to video games so much.

Half of the video was dedicated to bashing Bayonetta, which she proved she hadn't even completed, or perhaps played at all, by demonstrating she was entirely unfamiliar with the plot or characters.

Yea, it was kind of like, "Princess Peach is a horrible depiction of woman, she gets beaten by Italian men! Also, woman rape rates in Italy are up by 5%!". What? Let's stay on topic here...

 

[rCIZZLE]

If I were here and on TED, I wouldn't have wasted time talking about the online harassment she got. It didn't really give any real insight. She could have used it to just show some of her work.

Pretty much. I don't get what her point was to make the whole talk about harassment/trolling from a very small group within the community. I'd rather have heard about time she's spent talking to people within the industry or something of that nature.

 

[QaaQer]

Yeah. Nobody is complaining about the sexual harassment in Japan part, but that's not related to video games so much.

Half of the video was dedicated to bashing Bayonetta, which she proved she hadn't even completed, or perhaps played at all, by demonstrating she was entirely unfamiliar with the plot or characters.

No, the point was here is this hyper sexulaized ad in a subway which asks men to undress bayonetta in a city where there have to be women-only subway cars because of rampant sexual assault on trains.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Wasted time? You act like she's talking to the people who harassed her. Her speech culminated with the audience clapping at how much money she raised. Or are you talking about her youtube series?



It means you're not very smart, as illustrated here.

She was on a big platform to talk about her actual work. She spent it talking about how she was harassed. Getting a standing ovation doesn't prove that it wasn't a waste of time. What did her speech do? Prove that there are a lot of jerks and idiots out there? I think we all knew that already. Why not make a special presentation of tropes in games for TED?

 

[QaaQer]

I find it odd even bringing up about other countries and their groping rates when discussing games... Seems a little grasping.

lol. was that intentional?

 

[LightofRohan]

lol. was that intentional?

Haha no... now it is!

No, the point was here is this hyper sexulaized ad in a subway which asks men to undress bayonetta in a city where there have to be women-only subway cars because of rampant sexual assault on trains.

Yea but what does that have to do w/ Bayonetta and games? That seems like a cultural problem over there that has a bigger foundation then their entertainment. While it is definitely tasteless, it seems odd pairing it up w/ another evil to demonize games. It's just as bad as those reporters on school shootings, "He killed 50 students and was a violent individual. He also enjoyed playing Assassins Creed..."

 

[GrizzNKev]

No, the point was here is this hyper sexulaized ad in a subway which asks men to undress bayonetta in a city where there have to be women-only subway cars because of rampant sexual assault on trains.

Distracting men by asking them to reveal a fictional woman rather than groping real ones - a genius marketing decision!

Really though, there was no room for her to actually complain about the content of the game, which is what people were mostly upset by.

 

[Trey]

No, the point was here is this hyper sexulaized ad in a subway which asks men to undress bayonetta in a city where there have to be women-only subway cars because of rampant sexual assault on trains.

Yeah, that's morally questionable marketing.

But they sure know their demos.

 

[polyh3dron]

She kinda looks like Bayonetta.

The vid, I think, was making the point that actual sexual harassment on Japanese trains happens, and here is this hyper sexualized ad for a hyper sexualized game which asks men to undress her. I thought it was interesting.

Don't know what the fuss is about. Is it because she said Bayonetta was a single mom?

Since you apparently didn't catch the part in the video I was referring to where she says that the subway ad encourages sexual assault, I went to the trouble of creating a YouTube link that will go directly to the time where she says it, and I even transcribed it in case that helps:

While there's action being taken to try and curb this behavior such as the women only passenger cars and the public service announcements, right next door is this Bayonetta ad that is encouraging this predatory behavior.

I think the ad is pretty trashy and retarded myself, but encouraging sexual assault?