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[TheExecutive]

Honestly, his attacks on Warren have been hilarious, her claiming to be Native American was BS and she never proved it when Cherokee groups asked her to prove it

Didn't know that. That is hilarious.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Boggles my mind people are going to bat for a racist, proto-fascist piece of human garbage in this very thread.

I mean does it REALLY? Like deep down you knew there would be people who go to bat for him.

 

[Sibylus]

I mean does it REALLY? Like deep down you knew there would be people who go to bat for him.

Deep down, you're right. "Worse to be called a racist than be a racist" is an epidemic amongst white folks at large. Bump into them everywhere.

 

[Stinkles]

Did she know that she was white? Yes, I'm pretty sure she knew. She is white and everyone in her family is white...She has not presented any evidence that she didn't receive any advantages from claiming that she was.

I can't even

 

[Dai Kaiju]

Is it okay if I think this is actually kind of funny? He's not mocking her heritage, he's mocking her because it's kind of bullshit to call yourself a native American just because your 1/32 Cherokee or whatever she is.

 

[rjinaz]

Is it okay if I think this is actually kind of funny? He's not mocking her heritage, he's mocking her because it's kind of bullshit to call yourself a native American just because your 1/32 Cherokee or whatever she is.

I mean we are talking about the man that may be the next POTUS, and he is calling people names. Either way I can't find it funny.

 

[linsivvi]

SMH. Trump digging up bullshit and failed attacks on Elizabeth Warren from 2011 and some folks here acted like they were legitimate.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Did she know that she was white? Yes, I'm pretty sure she knew. She is white and everyone in her family is white, she doesn't know anyone in her family that is actually American Indian. She has not presented any evidence that she didn't receive any advantages from claiming that she was.

Lmao. You don't prove a negative

 

[Cipherr]

I have no problem with what Trump said. Warren claiming she is a minority when she clearly isn't is more disgusting to me. To the people who say no one has proven she isn't native american....she is the one who claimed she was, the burden of proof is on her. Maybe if your record isn't pristine, don't start commenting about others.

I think what you meant to do is enter the thread, not mention what Trump said at all and skip directly to shitting on Warren for what she did.

What you didn't want to do is say you have no problem with a man calling someone "Pocahontas". That's a direct racial jab, and it doesn't matter if she is part NA or not, it's fucking racist, and saying you don't have a problem with it makes you an asshole.

I live in a state with a large population of native americans (many reservations) and I have never once heard someone use the word "pocahontas" as a racial slur. Ever. I have heard a lot of racist white people say a lot of racist things about native americans, but never once heard them referred to as "pocahontas". I think maybe he was just comparing her to a real actual native american.

Don't even...

edit: nevermind, it's not worth it.

Yeah for real. This isn't some far right conservative bubble where we will ignore context and pretend dog whistling is completely innocent. FOH with that. You know exactly what he is doing and what he is saying. His previous history of offensive tweets towards her provides all the context necessary.

 

[Ettie]

Is it okay if I think this is actually kind of funny? He's not mocking her heritage, he's mocking her because it's kind of bullshit to call yourself a native American just because your 1/32 Cherokee or whatever she is.

I don't care about Warren or the surrounding drama, but this mocking over blood quantum is misplaced. The Cherokee Nation has no blood degree requirement for citizenship at this time. The first principal chief after the tribe started using European government structure was only 1/8, and that was before Removal. In many tribes today, verifiable 1/32 is a lot.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

I'm still chuckling at this Pocahontas remark, Trump, you finally did it... you're getting my vote

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'm still chuckling at this Pocahontas remark, Trump, you finally did it... you're getting my vote

I'm really hoping this is a joke.

It's seriously impossible to tell.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm really hoping this is a joke.

It's seriously impossible to tell.

This person has been going in on Warren this entire thread, so it's pretty safe to say that they're probably dead serious.

Edit:

Which makes their username pretty shitty, to be honest.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This person has been going in on Warren this entire thread, so it's pretty safe to say that they're probably dead serious.

Sad

 

[Interfectum]

I'm still chuckling at this Pocahontas remark, Trump, you finally did it... you're getting my vote

Cool zingers is what we look for in a president.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

I'm really hoping this is a joke.

It's seriously impossible to tell.

I'm joking obviously

 

[massoluk]

I just can't get over how his insult vocabularies are worse than those overheard in elementary schoolyard.

 

[uncelestial]

Yeah, Trump is really going to give her a run for her money with all his outreach to hispanic, black, asian and lgbt communities.

The GOP and the white vote are basically synonymous. 2/3rds of white males voted for Romney last election. And old white people vote in droves. Democrats are very different; we try to cobble together a coalition of young, poor, and minority voters, and that is difficult without broad appeal. Obama/Biden was a great ticket for the modern center/left-voting public.

If I were Clinton, Cory Booker would be on my shortlist, not Elizabeth Warren.

 

[BanGy.nz]

If I were Clinton, Cory Booker would be on my shortlist, not Elizabeth Warren.

God no she already has enough problems from her left flank. Picking someone with as many ties to Wall Street money as Cory would be a disaster.

 

[MrToughPants]

Go approach some of those native americans you know about and call them "pocahontas". I'm sure it'd go over well with them.

Native girls loved being called pocahontas in Thompson and Winnipeg... My buddies called their girlfriends pocahontas, it's used as an endearing term like saying Native princess.

 

[uncelestial]

God no she already has enough problems from her left flank. Picking someone with as many ties to Wall Street money as Cory would be a disaster.

I'm not saying I personally like Cory, but if you think Clinton is about to include some kind of firebrand leftist on the ticket, you're dreaming. Cory is a textbook "Clinton Democrat" as well as a black man with a ton of charisma and social media savvy. He would bring a ton to the ticket.

 

[Emarv]

I'm not saying I personally like Cory, but if you think Clinton is about to include some kind of firebrand leftist on the ticket, you're dreaming. Cory is a textbook "Clinton Democrat" as well as a black man with a ton of charisma and social media savvy. He would bring a ton to the ticket.

Sherrod Brown and Tom Perez are both progressives who have endorsed her and have good relationships with her. It's totally possible she picks a progressive.

 

[MC Safety]

If your parents tell you something, you believe it. She didn't make it up - her brothers believed the same thing:

Her brothers defended her, stating that they "grew up listening to our mother and grandmother and other relatives talk about our family's Cherokee and Delaware heritage""

So the whole family is a bunch of lying liars. That's not any sort of defense.

 

[BanGy.nz]

I'm not saying I personally like Cory, but if you think Clinton is about to include some kind of firebrand leftist on the ticket, you're dreaming. Cory is a textbook "Clinton Democrat" as well as a black man with a ton of charisma and social media savvy. He would bring a ton to the ticket.

Clinton would play into a well established narrative that she's corrupted by Wall Street money

Spoiler

(Thanks Bernie)

by picking someone like Booker. I think in the end his ties to Wall Street money will exclude from being the final pick.

#NeverTimKaine

 

[Moosichu]

So the whole family is a bunch of lying liars. That's not any sort of defense.

Being lied to and repeating it without knowing != lying

 

[Cerium]

She has not presented any evidence that she didn't receive any advantages from claiming that she was.

You're asking her to prove a negative. That's really dumb.

You haven't presented any evidence that you're not a terrorist.

 

[siddx]

She grew up believing she had Native heritage. I grew up believing my grandfather was a Russian Jew. Because that was the story passed down by elder relatives who wanted to frame a specific image of our pure Jewish lineage. Once we actually paid some money to investigate our family history, it turns out he was Irish and because the matriarch didn't approve of him he was scrubbed from family oral history and replaced with a fake person. Blaming me for telling people otherwise up till then would be ridiculous, as is giving Warren grief for believing she had Native American heritage.

Besides, this kind of juvenile school yard name calling is not what we want from a leader.

 

[Ban Puncher]

Got my vote.

 

[HK-47]

I'm not saying I personally like Cory, but if you think Clinton is about to include some kind of firebrand leftist on the ticket, you're dreaming. Cory is a textbook "Clinton Democrat" as well as a black man with a ton of charisma and social media savvy. He would bring a ton to the ticket.

Fucker runs away from Obama and tries to act like him. Wish we had better senators here.

 

[Arkeband]

Clinton would play into a well established narrative that she's corrupted by Wall Street money

Spoiler

(Thanks Bernie)

by picking someone like Booker. I think in the end his ties to Wall Street money will exclude from being the final pick.

#NeverTimKaine

lol "thanks Bernie"

Does it mean nothing to you that Clinton stood on stage during the debates and said that they offered her such enormous sums of money for speeches because "that's what they offered" but we know that is a lie?

Does it mean nothing to you that there's an actual real-life example of Clinton changing her vote following large donations of money by the financial industry, a vote which she later commented on whether she regretted the way she voted, “Sure, I do,” adding, “I was happy that it never became law.”?

Does Bernie have anything to do with these factual, troubling examples of Hillary being evasive about her ties to an institution that single-handedly caused an enormous recession?

Get real, please. This narrative would exist with or without Bernie, and it's entirely Clinton's fault that instead of tackling it head-on, she chooses to twist and obfuscate the truth in hopes that us rubes will simply move on.

@OP/ON-TOPIC:

Native girls loved being called pocahontas in Thompson and Winnipeg... My buddies called their girlfriends pocahontas, it's used as an endearing term like saying Native princess.

An old white man with a history of fighting Native Americans on their right to own casinos (to the point that the FBI had to issue a statement debunking Trump's claim that no, they are not involved with the Italian Mafia) and who defends the Washington Redskins use of their degrading team name, using the word "Pocahontas" to refer to someone, Native American or not, is not the same as Native Americans using the word amongst themselves. Obviously.

 

[TelemachusD]

...using the word "Pocahontas" to refer to someone, Native American or not, is not the same as Native Americans using the word amongst themselves. Obviously.

Not on Trump's side in the slightest, but if Pocahontas is a racial slur only allowed to be used inside Native American circles, maybe somebody should have told Disney.

Trump's using a historical person's name which most people are familiar with to call attention to and mock what he perceives as one of Warren's foibles: her unsubstantiated native heritage. Obviously Trump's a blowhard asshole but I feel like there's a bit of crying wolf which plays to the other side when you attempt to call racism, sexism, etc. for every word out of his mouth. He's sarcastically comparing someone to a historical figure they don't measure up to. He's not insulting anyone but Warren. He's not insulting her race. He's insulting her claims.

If your friend once pretended to be French to meet girls and you mock him for this by nicknaming him Napoleon, is Napoleon now a racial slur?

If Rachel Dolezal is sarcastically referred to as Rosa Parks in a joke, is Rosa Parks now a racial slur?

Trump actually being racist against Native Americans in 1993: "They don't look like Indians to me," Trump said to a congressional subcommittee inquiring about organized crime and policing in Native American casinos. "They don't look like Indians to Indians."...Asked what an Indian looks like, Trump said, "You know … you know."

 

[jmdajr]

Ok. I'm caught up now.

Fucking Troll Trump always goes for that weak spot.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Deep down, you're right. "Worse to be called a racist than be a racist" is an epidemic amongst white folks at large. Bump into them everywhere.

Well yeah. If other white people are upset with you that might be a problem. But if it is just minorities that don't like you that usually isn't as bad because they don't have the social power to mess up your life. Take Trump for example; he's going to lose the election because of how he acts but his business ventures probably won't suffer. It's a numbers game.

 

[thepotatoman]

Weird to see people treat this like a Trumpism when Scott Brown basically focused his entire campaign on this issue.

Anyhow, I can totally understanding thinking you were 1/32 cherokee when you're really 0/32. Ancestry is very easy to mess up.

I can't understand calling yourself a minority when you're only 1/32 cherokee, but there's no proof Warren is the one at fault for being classified as that, and all available documents show Warren specifically did not try to pass herself off as a minority.

 

[boiled goose]

Holy shit Trump and holy shit this thread.

The alleged accusations against warren suddenly make outright racist remarks ok?

Wtf??

 

[DOWN]

Uh I like Hillary and not Trump. I like Warren. But the Narive American thing is quite an embarrassing blunder and I don't think Warren would be a good VP choice

 

[Quixzlizx]

Not on Trump's side in the slightest, but if Pocahontas is a racial slur only allowed to be used inside Native American circles, maybe somebody should have told Disney.

Trump's using a historical person's name which most people are familiar with to call attention to and mock what he perceives as one of Warren's foibles: her unsubstantiated native heritage. Obviously Trump's a blowhard asshole but I feel like there's a bit of crying wolf which plays to the other side when you attempt to call racism, sexism, etc. for every word out of his mouth. He's sarcastically comparing someone to a historical figure they don't measure up to. He's not insulting anyone but Warren. He's not insulting her race. He's insulting her claims.

If your friend once pretended to be French to meet girls and you mock him for this by nicknaming him Napoleon, is Napoleon now a racial slur?

If Rachel Dolezal is sarcastically referred to as Rosa Parks in a joke, is Rosa Parks now a racial slur?

Trump actually being racist against Native Americans in 1993: "They don't look like Indians to me," Trump said to a congressional subcommittee inquiring about organized crime and policing in Native American casinos. "They don't look like Indians to Indians."...Asked what an Indian looks like, Trump said, "You know … you know."

I pretty much agree with this post. It would be a racist insult if he had used to it refer to an actual Native American, instead of sarcastically mocking someone who isn't Native American but claimed to be.

Not that it matters, since Trump is fine with being openly racist anyway, but this is essentially #CancelColbert, only targeted toward someone who justifiably has no benefit of the doubt.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

This guy is hilarious.

 

[crowphoenix]

Yeah, Trump is an ass. I'm not surprised he'd start being a bit racist when he has the chance.

It's also interesting to see so many people angry at Warren when it wasn't long ago that America ran on the "One Drop Rule" of racial purity.

 

[BamfMeat]

Like I said, I actually am mixed, I have black cousins, black grandparents and a black aunt. I would never claim to be black. Being 1/32 is bullshit. And since she made the claim in the first place the burden of proof is on her not anyone else and at this point she has provided none.

I would just like to point out that you're full of shit.

Per the Cherokee nation, all you have to do is prove that you had a family member on the Dawes record to become a full fledged Cherokee.

To be eligible for a federal Certificate Degree of Indian Blood and Cherokee Nation tribal citizenship, you must be able to provide documents that connect you to a direct ancestor listed on the Dawes Final Rolls of Citizens of the Cherokee Nation with a blood degree.

http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/Citizenship.aspx

With things like Ancestory.com, this shit isn't hard to do anymore. I've traced my heritage back to the late 1400s just with documents and shit I've found on there.

Just because you don't "accept" 1/32 doesn't mean that it's not authentic.

I'm not arguing Warrens' point, I don't know what her heritage is, my point is only that you don't get to dictate what does and doesn't count.

Edit - as an aside - this article is quite interesting about her heritage - http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/05/14/elizabeth-warrens-genealogical-challenge-113019

Basically, it won't be able to be proven either way because of the way they did records back in 1850, on.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I'm still chuckling at this Pocahontas remark, Trump, you finally did it... you're getting my vote

Congrats on the white supremacacy!