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Trump campaign manager Lewandowski charged with assault

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Grabbing her at all is wrong. You don't get physical with a reporter for simply asking questions. Acting like a bodyguard. Dude likes to kiss Trump ass.
 
VenomBoss said:
Stay classy Piers

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Quoting for new page: Fuck off Piers Morgan.
 
I definitely don't see anything in the video (or in the other video CNN showed a while ago), but her immediate reaction (audio) and her bruises make me believe her story. Or maybe she overreacted. Nonetheless, he shouldn't have put his hands on her though.
 
andythinkpad said:
Aren't the Secret Service guys work for US government instead of Trump? their words should carry some weight.
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The problem isn't that their words don't carry weight. It is that days after this incident occurred and Trump was asked about it. Trump himself said, "I'm surrounded by Secret Service agents and they tell me nothing happened." Charges are now pressed and magically within hours of news breaking, NOW Secret Service agents remember something happening involving Fields. Of course not the Corey incident but her touching Trump twice and being warned.

So either Trump was lying back then when he said he spoke with Secret Service and they said nothing happened. Or the Secret Service is now lying covering for Trump. Which is it?
 
Trump Campaign Manager's Defense Lawyer is a Former U.S. Attorney Who Resigned Because People Found Out He Bit a Stripper

According to a statement issued by the Trump campaign, Lewandowski currently has two defense attorneys: Former assistant state’s attorney Scott Richardson and former U.S. Attorney Kendall B. Coffey. Back in 1996, Coffey resigned from his position in the Southern District of Florida after it was revealed that, “despondent” over the loss of a big drug case, he went to a strip club and bit a dancer over a bottle of $900 champagne.

“He bit her, but not like a crazy man,” the woman’s husband told the Sun Sentinel. “But he did break the skin.”
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If this fucking idiot hadn't lied and just apologized to her from the beginning, it wouldn't have become an issue. But he continues to claim he has never touched nor met her, so I have no sympathy for him. Anyone associated with Trump is a fucking asshole to begin with, so this is just concrete proof.
 
He's not going to let someone's live be destroyed without proof.

Funny, because that's exactly what he's doing to anyone that dares open up their mouth against him.
 
commedieu said:
Ah so he bit her and broke the skin like a gentleman.

I can buy that.
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Was it even a bite though?

Some womens skin breaks easier than others.

I know women in real life who get bite marks from washing their face.

We need to know how exactly how thick her skin was before we can actually determine whether the lawyer actually did anything wrong when he sunk his teeth into her flesh.

Obviously if her skin is too weak, its her fault.
 
GrizzleBoy said:
Was it even a bite though?

Some womens skin breaks easier than others.

I know women in real life who get bite marks from washing their face.

We need to know how exactly how thick her skin was before we can actually determine whether the lawyer actually did anything wrong when he sunk his teeth into her flesh.

Obviously if her skin is too weak, its her fault.
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Can't argue with that lol..
 
GrizzleBoy said:
Was it even a bite though?

Some womens skin breaks easier than others.

I know women in real life who get bite marks from washing their face.

We need to know how exactly how thick her skin was before we can actually determine whether the lawyer actually did anything wrong when he sunk his teeth into her flesh.

Obviously if her skin is too weak, its her fault.
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I honestly wouldn't call that a bite -_-
 
quickwhips said:
Video doesn't look like assault. I hate trump but this is pretty tame drama stuff.
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That's exactly what assault is.

People need to learn the definition of what assault is before commenting on what assault is and isn't.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault

1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.
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Hell, the fact that the dude touched her, can even be risen to battery:

1. In criminal law, a physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent.

2. In tort law, the intentional causation of harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent.
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Good day to be a woman and be near the Trump campaign I guess.
Some 15 year old girl got maced at a Janesville Trump rally just now.
 
BronsonLee said:
The moral of these past few days:
Don't touch anybody!
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I mean, yeah, that's been a thing since most of us first started school: "Keep your hands to yourself."

Of course, depending on who you are, rules and laws (unwritten or otherwise) don't always apply to you. I guess we'll see what happens in this case.
 
quickwhips said:
I don't want to drag this out but I have been assault twice and that isn't assault. Offensive touching maybe. Maybe if your a soccer player is that assault.
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Yellow card at best.

EDIT: So, it's technically assault? I mean, the guy was an ass and deserves something coming his way, but criminal charges?
 
Video doesn't help the claim. If she really grabbed Trump beforehand, not sure why the Secret Service didn't bodyslam her into handcuffs like they tend to do. Maybe she didn't appear to be a threat, but that raises several questions about the Secret Service.

One way or another, doubt it would be on the news if not Trump.
 
Phailzon said:
3. The integrity of the Breitbart reporter is demonstrably low. She claims to have been "thrown to the ground," when, even in the supposed "smoking gun" that is the Jupiter video, this is proven untrue. This casts doubt on the supposed bruise that was posted. Unless it was recorded by the police department or other third party it is hard to accept that as firm evidence.

It is very unlikely that Lewandoski will be convicted of anything
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Your analysis shows clear bias. Lewandoski can and should be convicted of simple misdemeanor assault under Florida law.

When you quote someone, you actually have to quote them word-for-word. Where did she say, "thrown to the ground?" Why is the focus on the reporter's possible exaggeration when Lewandoski flat-out lied and called her delusional?
 
JHoNNy1OoO said:
The problem isn't that their words don't carry weight. It is that days after this incident occurred and Trump was asked about it. Trump himself said, "I'm surrounded by Secret Service agents and they tell me nothing happened." Charges are now pressed and magically within hours of news breaking, NOW Secret Service agents remember something happening involving Fields. Of course not the Corey incident but her touching Trump twice and being warned.

So either Trump was lying back then when he said he spoke with Secret Service and they said nothing happened. Or the Secret Service is now lying covering for Trump. Which is it?
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Probably SS guys was laying, or Trump didn't talk to the SS guy who saw it, or the SS guy didn't consider pulling some one over was worthy of reporting as "something happen".

Compare to other shit happened in Trump rallies, this doesn't even rank the top 100 incident.
 
Honestly it looks to me like she grabs Trump's arm first. Were the secret service not doing their jobs or something? It looks to me like Lewandowski viewed her as a potential security threat in which case the response was not only appropriate, but restrained. Even though I admit, it should have been the secret service doing this and not him.
 
cpp_is_king said:
Honestly it looks to me like she grabs Trump's arm first. Were the secret service not doing their jobs or something? It looks to me like Lewandowski viewed her as a potential security threat in which case the response was not only appropriate, but restrained. Even though I admit, it should have been the secret service doing this and not him.
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Please, this asshole just can't keep his hands to himself. It's not the only time. He also proceeded to completely lie about it. (and where was this "security threat" talk before the charges? He wouldn't even acknowledge he knew or touched her)
 
The original story was that he stormed over there like an angry brute and yanked her away so hard that she almost went tumbling to the ground. Based on the video, that appears to have been decently exaggerated, which is probably why some skepticism existed (I know that that was it for me, plus the fact that I am inclined to think that people working for Breitbart probably are lacking in the scruples department), but given the arrest warrant, and the above defining what legally constitutes assault, it appears dude is both guilty and fucked. I wouldn't expect him to get more than a fine, but he really should have just owned up to it and apologized and prevented the whole thing from blowing up this far. Can't have a big tough man looking weak against a little woman, though.
 
This entire thing would be playing out a hell of a lot different if the reporter, and others, didn't instantly take to Twitter and other online sources greatly exaggerating the entire thing. It doesn't make it right, but that wasn't a very good way to approach this entire situation.
 
This is the same asshat who was charged with bringing a gun into the Capitol. He also was an aide to a member of congress charged with fraud as part of the Abramoff scandal
 
The only people who should have been touching her (IF she needed to be touched) were The Secret Service. It's their job to touch people who get within threat distance of their client. And to determine /if/ a person is an actual threat.

This lying asshole decided to do someone else's job and didn't know how to do it.
 
SiegePhalt said:
Saw this on the front page of reddit.

https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/714884879691997189
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1) Trump's campaign is pivoting from "didn't happen" to "she deserved it". This is not an improvement.
2) Lewandowski is not the Secret Service, so that does not make it okay that he grabbed her. If the Secret Service had, this would be a different discussion entirely.
3) Her touching Trump is not in the videos that we've seen, so presumably she did stop, even if that somehow justified her getting grabbed, which it does not.
 
At work I grabbed a lady by the arm and moved her out of the way of a forklift that was about to nail her since both parties weren't paying attention. I'm sure I grabbed hard enough she may have bruised.

Did I assault?
 
diablos991 said:
At work I grabbed a lady by the arm and moved her out of the way of a forklift that was about to nail her since both parties weren't paying attention. I'm sure I grabbed hard enough she may have bruised.

Did I assault?
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So in this similar circumstance Trump is the forklift? Hmmm I don't know... sounds like Lewandowski saved her life.
 
My mastery of visual kinematics is vindicated! We solved the mystery of where Lewandowski's extended arm went - turns out it didn't phase through Fields, so the waveform must have collapsed.

So much for "She's delusional, I never touched her - I never even met her!" How interesting!

post-S said:
ITT people learn that legal definition of many terms are not the same as everyday definition.
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Indeed, the motte and bailey fallacy strikes again!
 
GhaleonEB said:
1) Trump's campaign is pivoting from "didn't happen" to "she deserved it". This is not an improvement.
2) Lewandowski is not the Secret Service, so that does not make it okay that he grabbed her. If the Secret Service had, this would be a different discussion entirely.
3) Her touching Trump is not in the videos that we've seen, so presumably she did stop, even if that somehow justified her getting grabbed, which it does not.
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Not sure if serious. If the reporter posed a threat to Trump, we wouldn't be having this discussion. We would be looking at it under the lenses of the good Samaritan.

Fact is she was overstepping her bounds trying to get a scoop from Trump when she shouldn't have. Just because it's "her job" doesn't mean she's allowed to get as close and pushy as she did. Lewadowski is milking this for all it's worth. A difference in job description doesn't change much in this particular instance. Trump might as well falsify a contract saying his campaign manager was also one of his bodyguards.
 
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