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Trump on Andrew Jackson and "why was there the civil war?"

Apathy said:
The reporter responds to him like he's a child. Take off the kid gloves and speak to him like he's the fucking president. Journalist today are such a disservice to their field

Also yes, he's a god damn moron
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The immediate followup should have been, "why was there the civil war Mr. President?" "How would you have resolved it?"

It lets him think he's about to show off, but in reality it exposes his ignorance.
 
The Albatross said:
While Trump's argument that Jackson would have averted Civil War is plainly wrong and he shows a disturbing lack of comprehension of history, there had been indications of a looming civil war as early as 1820, which would likely be fought between industrialized, free states and agrarian slave states. This was the pretext of the Missouri Compromise.

The eventuality of a civil war seemed likely by the time Jackson was president, and much like Whigs and Democrats had been doing for 20 years prior, he tried to maintain the status quo of slave and free states. During Jackson's presidency, South Carolina would seek to nullify a congressional tax act within its own state, and Jackson would use the US Army to enforce a rewritten act in the state, claiming its treasonous. This was considered a pretext for an establishment of a southern confederacy, and referred to as 'The Nullification Crisis.' In May, 1833, Jackson is quoted in saying -- "...the tariff was only the pretext, and disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery question."

So, while Trump has no command of history, Jackson -- as well as every major American politician from at least 1820 and on -- were well aware of a looming civil war. It was the basis of the Democratic and Whig Parties, and their inability to contain tensions around the issue of slavery is ultimately what led to the rise of Lincoln and the anti-slavery Republican party.
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You know very well that Trump knows absolutely none of this, however. It's very likely he doesn't even know what years the civil war took place between.
 
Toxi said:
I assume you meant to say "workers".

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What the fuck is wrong with this country?
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I'm 90% sure that was pre-edit, I don't teach 8th grade US but I'm fairly sure. The stuff that are in our TEKS in Texas is pretty crazy.
 
Wish Trump would have been around as president during the civil war. With his great negotiating skills there would have been no need for fighting. Would have given the country to the slaves and native americans and had everyone else sail back to Europe.
 
Apathy said:
The reporter responds to him like he's a child. Take off the kid gloves and speak to him like he's the fucking president. Journalist today are such a disservice to their field

Also yes, he's a god damn moron
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He is a petulant child and deserves to be treated as such.
 
I think now's a good time to ask whether or not there's a Simpsons gif of Apu answering the final question to his naturalization exam. This is it, man.
 
AndyD said:
The immediate followup should have been, "why was there the civil war Mr. President?" "How would you have resolved it?"
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"I would have made a good deal, a very good deal to avert all that. Why not? There was no reason they couldn't have made a deal in regards to the Civil War. I would make a tremendous deal that that everyone would say is very good and everyone would have been happy with, and there wouldn't have been any Civil War, believe me. I am the best negotiator you will ever see, no one knows more about making deals than me. What was the Civil War even about? No one knows."
 
Ithil said:
You know very well that Trump knows absolutely none of this, however. It's very likely he doesn't even know what years the civil war took place between.
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...I'll hate myself for suggesting this, but someone should ask him to answer that, without looking at his phone.
 
Reporter: Who's your favourite person from the Civil War era? Who do you think really made an important impact?
Trump: I love Iron Man. He'd so rich and so powerful he reminds me of myself.
 
Arrogant Bastard said:
I'm 90% sure that was pre-edit, I don't teach 8th grade US but I'm fairly sure. The stuff that are in our TEKS in Texas is pretty crazy.
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The publisher shipped corrected copies out as replacements after this was pointed out, but it's still a good illustration of how fucked up our textbooks can be.
 
The Albatross said:
While Trump's argument that Jackson would have averted Civil War is plainly wrong and he shows a disturbing lack of comprehension of history, there had been indications of a looming civil war as early as 1820, which would likely be fought between industrialized, free states and agrarian slave states. This was the pretext of the Missouri Compromise.

The eventuality of a civil war seemed likely by the time Jackson was president, and much like Whigs and Democrats had been doing for 20 years prior, he tried to maintain the status quo of slave and free states. During Jackson's presidency, South Carolina would seek to nullify a congressional tax act within its own state, and Jackson would use the US Army to enforce a rewritten act in the state, claiming its treasonous. This was considered a pretext for an establishment of a southern confederacy, and referred to as 'The Nullification Crisis.' In May, 1833, Jackson is quoted in saying -- "...the tariff was only the pretext, and disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery question."

So, while Trump has no command of history, Jackson -- as well as every major American politician from at least 1820 and on -- were well aware of a looming civil war. It was the basis of the Democratic and Whig Parties, and their inability to contain tensions around the issue of slavery is ultimately what led to the rise of Lincoln and the anti-slavery Republican party.
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Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
 
I'm not an idiot, but I wouldn't describe myself as exceptional either. It's a sad indictment on this country that I would run circles around our president intellectually.

Why does our culture celebrate rich idiots like Trump? And what can we do to change it?
 
Oh my god!!..... I just went down the rabbit hole and might have discovered a New World Order, Templars, Mason's conspriacy Theory..

Andrew Jackson adopted his wife's nephew Andrew Jackson Donelson...Who eventually became the Vice Presidential Candidate for the..I kid you not... "Know Nothing Party" in 1856, a anti immigrant party that lasted a couple of years then faded, most voting Republican after.

Is Trump the result of all their secret behind the scene machinations??! Their annoited Know Nothing King??! :P :O

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson_Donelson

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
 
Toxi said:
The publisher shipped corrected copies out as replacements after this was pointed out, but it's still a good illustration of how fucked up our textbooks can be.
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Oh I fully agree, but the reason why the publisher did that is because that is what Texas ordered via their standards. It was only adjusted after massive public outcry. If I remember correctly some of the corrected versions were simply stickers over the text.

commish said:
Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
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I think the more offensive suggestion is that he is probably trying to couch this as States' rights and not slavery. I wonder what he is gonna say, cause this is going to get some traction.
 
commish said:
Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
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I would say his alleged belief that Jackson was alive during the Civil War is less controversial than Trump's assertion that there would be no Civil War if he had been president later (and I assume he means at or around the time when the Civil War actually took place), because it's hard to understand how that would have happened without the perpetuation of slavery.
 
Veritigo_X said:
"He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War."
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I see no flaws here.

Trump is being haunted by the ghost of Andrew Jackson. And let me tell you, Ghost of Andrew Jackson has been pissed these last eight years. For some reason. It was probably ectoplasmic anxiety.
 
What the FUCK

This fuckwit is serious with this shit?

Fucking East coast of the US should be shaking their heads at this
 
commish said:
Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
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He attributes a quote to him about the Civil War, if I read it correctly.
 
commish said:
Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
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'When he saw what was happening,'

How do he see something if he's fucking dead. He didn't say he saw was happening building up to the Civil War. Christ man, this isn't even some ambiguous statement, what is wrong with some of you guys?
 
commish said:
Yeah, I was thinking the furor over his statements seem a bit blown out of proportion. I'm ready to pounce on trump for sneezing wrong as much as anyone else, but I didn't think he was trying to say that Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
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That's not why people are upset with Trump here, because he was wrong about when Jackson died...
 
android said:
Oh my god!!..... I just went down the rabbit hole and might have discovered a New World Order, Templars, Mason's conspriacy Theory..

Andrew Jackson adopted his wife's nephew Andrew Jackson Donelson...Who eventually became the Vice Presidential Candidate for the..I kid you not... "Know Nothing Party" in 1856, a anti immigrant party that lasted a couple of years then faded, most voting Republican after.

Is Trump the result of all their secret behind the scene machinations??! Their annoited Know Nothing King??! :P :O

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson_Donelson

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
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Fun fact about the Know-Nothing party: They were an instrumental element in a recent edition of a UK gameshow managing to pull off this gag:

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Trump always catering to his low intelligence nazi light base.

"Yeah why was there a civil war? If Andrew Jackson was president, who was a great person by the way, very pro slavery. We could have avoided civil war. Because he was pro slavery. Because I don't think slavery was worth going to war for"

ALL implied but not directly said. Neo nazis are drooling that an actual president is saying these things
 
Waylon Drums said:
He attributes a quote to him about the Civil War, if I read it correctly.
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Lord Frieza said:
'When he saw what was happening,'

How do he see something if he's fucking dead. He didn't say he saw was happening building up to the Civil War. Christ man, this isn't even some ambiguous statement, what is wrong with some of you guys?
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The buildup to a crisis of some kind around the Slavery Question had been evident since the construction of the Constitution. It was always going to come to a head at some point, and as The Albatross noted, this was noted as something of an inevitability by the time of the Missouri Compromise.

I mean, I shook my head in disbelief through this whole interview, but let's not make *this* the argument.

Edit: It should be noted that the guy at this time who was known as the deal maker and the architect of the compromise was Henry Clay, who was basically Jackson's political mortal enemy at the time. If you wanted to make the case that one political figure transported 30 years in the future could have avoided the civil war, it would have been Clay, not Jackson. And it's likely that it would have been another Missouri Compromise, too, just kicking the can down the road for another decade or two.
 
FrontalMonk said:
The buildup to a crisis of some kind around the Slavery Question had been evident since the construction of the Constitution. It was always going to come to a head at some point, and as The Albatross noted, this was noted as something of an inevitability by the time of the Missouri Compromise.

I mean, I shook my head in disbelief through this whole interview, but let's not make *this* the argument.
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I mean, I guess we're all sorry we can read. It's pretty obvious what he's saying, and it's sad some of you guys are jumping through hoops to defend this guy's obvious stupidity.
 
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quite apparent he was referring to linconln's superb VP, andrew johnson who unfortunately was elevated to president after linconln's assassination. who also btw is generally regarded as one of this country's best VP's. that's neither here nor there however. but trump has a lot going on his plate, big issues, and a mess of inhertiance so we shouldn't begrudge the dude because he confused last names. besides he took the time to visit the grave, how many of us criticizing have done that?
 
FrontalMonk said:
The buildup to a crisis of some kind around the Slavery Question had been evident since the construction of the Constitution. It was always going to come to a head at some point, and as The Albatross noted, this was noted as something of an inevitability by the time of the Missouri Compromise.

I mean, I shook my head in disbelief through this whole interview, but let's not make *this* the argument.

Edit: It should be noted that the guy at this time who was known as the deal maker and the architect of the compromise was Henry Clay, who was basically Jackson's political mortal enemy at the time. If you wanted to make the case that one political figure transported 30 years in the future could have avoided the civil war, it would have been Clay, not Jackson. And it's likely that it would have been another Missouri Compromise, too, just kicking the can down the road for another decade or two.
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In this framing, it could make a lick of sense, but everyone absolutely knows this is not what Trump met.
 
Incognito said:
quite apparent he was referring to linconln's superb VP, andrew johnson who unfortunately was elevated to president after linconln's assassination. who also btw is generally regarded as one of this country's best VP's. that's neither here nor there however. but trump has a lot going on his plate, big issues, and a mess of inhertiance so we shouldn't begrudge the dude because he confused last names. besides he took the time to visit the grave, how many of us criticizing have done that?
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Bravo.
 
android said:
Oh my god!!..... I just went down the rabbit hole and might have discovered a New World Order, Templars, Mason's conspriacy Theory..

Andrew Jackson adopted his wife's nephew Andrew Jackson Donelson...Who eventually became the Vice Presidential Candidate for the..I kid you not... "Know Nothing Party" in 1856, a anti immigrant party that lasted a couple of years then faded, most voting Republican after.

Is Trump the result of all their secret behind the scene machinations??! Their annoited Know Nothing King??! :P :O

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson_Donelson

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
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No. The Know-Nothing party split between the issue of slavery and disintegrated. Though Trump's idiotic policy is comparable to these old loons, supporting the idea that an ancient long dead political party is controlling politics behind the scenes is straight conspiracy nonsense. Perhaps the ideals of this group lives on in our current president, but any power this group had vanished a long long time ago.
 
Lord Frieza said:
'When he saw what was happening,'

How do he see something if he's fucking dead. He didn't say he saw was happening building up to the Civil War. Christ man, this isn't even some ambiguous statement, what is wrong with some of you guys?
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I assume he meant when he saw the division between the states forming, like someone else pointed out, which happened before the first shot was fired. It's not like things were great and then all of a sudden, war broke out. Seems like some folks in this thread are the ones who need the history lesson!
 
Lord Frieza said:
I mean, I guess we're all sorry we can read. It's pretty obvious what he's saying, and it's sad some of you guys are jumping through hoops to defend this guy's obvious stupidity.
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Mariolee said:
In this framing, it could make a lick of sense, but everyone absolutely knows this is not what Trump met.
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All I'm saying is that it's not outlandish to suggest that a civil war was brewing during Jackson's time and that he could have commented on *that*, and that there are a lot of other problematic parts of what Trump had to say that would be far more indefensible than just taking the low hanging fruit of "but he was dead, how could he comment on it".
 
_mail said:
No. The Know-Nothing party split between the issue of slavery and disintegrated. Though Trump's idiotic policy is comparable to these old loons, supporting the idea that an ancient long dead political party is controlling politics behind the scenes is straight conspiracy nonsense. Perhaps the ideals of this group lives on in our current president, but any power this group had vanished a long long time ago.
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It was a joke.....Jesus Christ..
 
Incognito said:
quite apparent he was referring to linconln's superb VP, andrew johnson who unfortunately was elevated to president after linconln's assassination. who also btw is generally regarded as one of this country's best VP's. that's neither here nor there however. but trump has a lot going on his plate, big issues, and a mess of inhertiance so we shouldn't begrudge the dude because he confused last names. besides he took the time to visit the grave, how many of us criticizing have done that?
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Andrew Johnson is one of the worst VPs and Presidents in US History. The guy did everything he could to undo Lincoln's legacy and party, and allowed the leaders of the Confederacy take control of the southern states and made life miserable for black people. He was a Trojan horse for the Confederacy made President of the US.
 
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