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Trump suggests pulling credentials from 'corrupt' media

You get off Twitter and do your job as President of the United States. The idea that this is some alpha chest thumping move against his enemies instead of the rantings of an overgrown baby is a fucking joke.

Do you have anything to suggest he's not doing his job well enough as President? Is the economy bad? Is crime up? How is the employment rate? What is trending downwards enough to make you suggest negligence?

And besides he got there by fighting back against what he and his voters perceive as unfair coverage. Why would he stop now?
 

prag16

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Not a good strategy. I don't disagree with a lot of his fake news claims. But the garbage outlets (and they are legion) have already mostly exposed themselves for what they are. Pulling credentials will just give them more (and better) ammo to shit on him with
 

Mohonky

Member
I wonder who is more hated, Trump or Bush the 2nd?

I remember during Bush's run he was really really hated. The guy was made out to be the devil.

Trump is pretty hated, but it doesn't seem as much as Bush, especially internationally.

I'd have to think Trump. Bush might have been in when they kick started Iraq and Afghanistan, but that was the entire party to blame. Bush was an idiot but he was more like a talking figure head for everything happening behind the scenes going on advice from his advisors.

Trump on the other hand is an egomaniac and control freak, he has shown on multiple occasions he make a call againat his advisors and on a whim so you really dont know just whats coming next, nor does it seem anyone close to him.

The only thing I can say about his ststements with the press is I wish they'd get over shit like 'did the President pay money to sleep with a porn star?' Honestly who gives a fuck, unless he was doing it with tax payers money, I couldnt give a shit if he was gang banging nightly, it's a matter for him and his wife, it doesnt effect anything else.
 

BANGS

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Calling to repeal aspects of the free press is not a normal thing. I refuse to normalize it and I'm not going to let you or people like you attempt to normalize it as well.
LMFAO try and stop us. Also it's not calling to repeal anything so...
 
I thought you were a historian? Shouldn't you know this? Also as someone who is fearful of authority, you don't seem to have a lot of problems with this.

I dislike when I have to reply to ignorance. Especially the passive-aggressive cross-thread kind.
Do you understand what a historian does and what kind of knowledge they have? If not, why answer like that. If so, then tell me why I should understand the way press credentials in the US in 2018 work with certainty.
Had you further read the thread, you'd have seen my suggestion towards something which removes the selective process of press credentials, to make smaller and marginalized outlets have a bigger presence. That's because anti-authoritarianism can attack multiple aspects of an issue.

Then to just stick it to you further, I can add that I'm Norwegian and my field of expertise is focused around prosecution and minority politics in Europe in the 19th and 20th century. Please tell me why I should be knowledgeable about the way press credentials are used in the US in regards to my profession. I'll give you some advice: asking for clarification from others that may have more knowledge on a subject isn't a sign of weakness, but of a tempered and wise person.

It's quite frankly embarrassing that you'd post something so vindictive and to me personally more so in regards to your uncertainty on whether one should question authority or not.
 
This is absolutely a Freedom of Speech issue. I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise.

Trump has "implied" in his tweet he would remove media outlets from the Whitehouse who are deemed "corrupt" for the reason of negative coverage. Can someone explain how any of this isn't an attack of Freedom of the Press/Free Speech?

Maybe the reason Trump has received so much bad press is because he's been involved in scandal after scandal.
 

BANGS

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This is absolutely a Freedom of Speech issue. I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise.

Trump has "implied" in his tweet he would remove media outlets from the Whitehouse who are deemed "corrupt" for the reason of negative coverage. Can someone explain how any of this isn't an attack of Freedom of the Press/Free Speech?
Because inviting reporters into your literal home is a privilege for a press, not a right. Reporters don't have a right to interview you on your property, you have to grant them permission to do that. Is it a freedom of speech issue when celebrities tell paparazzi to fuck off?
 
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Can someone explain how any of this isn't an attack of Freedom of the Press/Free Speech?

Partly because he is removing a privilege the rest of the population lacks from the corporate media. We all can't just go to the White House and ask questions.

Granted, I'd rather he just open the White House further to everyone, but either way is, in terms of equal treatment and respecting the 1st Amendment, fair.
 
Partly because he is removing a privilege the rest of the population lacks from the corporate media. We all can't just go to the White House and ask questions.

Granted, I'd rather he just open the White House further to everyone, but either way is, in terms of equal treatment and respecting the 1st Amendment, fair.

I can understand that, but the reason he would be removing them makes it absolutely an abuse on Freedom of the Press/Speech.
 

Shiki_

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Because inviting reporters into your literal home is a privilege for a press, not a right. Reporters don't have a right to interview you on your property, you have to grant them permission to do that. Is it a freedom of speech issue when celebrities tell paparazzi to fuck off?

A public office servant have the obligation to answer to the people and be accountable in a proper channel.. which's why exist press conferences. It's right, the tradition to invite reporters to the White House is was something that evolved over time, but Trump here is talking to take away cretentials to those who are negative to him and his administration. Fuck that. He's just a spinless idiot who want praise and can't tolerate negative news about him.
 

BANGS

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A public office servant have the obligation to answer to the people and be accountable in a proper channel.. which's why exist press conferences. It's right, the tradition to invite reporters to the White House is was something that evolved over time, but Trump here is talking to take away cretentials to those who are negative to him and his administration. Fuck that. He's just a spinless idiot who want praise and can't tolerate negative news about him.
I agree with all of that, but that doesn't change the fact that he's not doing anything to harm the first amendment here. He's just being an egomaniac, but he's not breaking any rules. If these news outlets want to be invited back, they can concentrate on reporting the news and not just producing biased hit pieces. It's amazing how all these other news outlets report on what he's doing but don't spin it with a negative agenda and he has no problem with those outlets. It's almost like he's not trying to hide what he's doing, but he's trying to prevent giving ammo to those who would gladly shoot him with it...
 
I agree with all of that, but that doesn't change the fact that he's not doing anything to harm the first amendment here. He's just being an egomaniac, but he's not breaking any rules. If these news outlets want to be invited back, they can concentrate on reporting the news and not just producing biased hit pieces. It's amazing how all these other news outlets report on what he's doing but don't spin it with a negative agenda and he has no problem with those outlets. It's almost like he's not trying to hide what he's doing, but he's trying to prevent giving ammo to those who would gladly shoot him with it...

How about another example that might help.

Game reviewers these days make money off of clicks. Either in articles or videos. Getting games or information in advance of others would be a great advantage to push you ahead. No one is entitled to this information, but getting it would give you a advantage over others.

1 or 2 years ago it came out that Ubisoft aren't going to send out review copies to Reviewers they didn't like. As a Reviewer your only response to this is to either take the hit to your income by losing out on a review copy, or start writing reviews that praise ubisoft games more.

Ubisoft doesn't have to send out review copies. It's a privilege that Game Reviewers can enjoy, but it's one with a real economic incentive. The withholding of that economic incentive can be seen and pretty much is censorship.

Can you see why this is problematic? That the only criteria he lists as a deciding factor, is how much negative coverage a news media has on him? This is a form of cencorship.
 
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JDB

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Apparently whining on Twitter like a toddler is "growing a spine" these days.
NO OBSTRUCTION
 
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BANGS

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How about another example that might help.

Game reviewers these days make money off of clicks. Either in articles or videos. Getting games or information in advance of others would be a great advantage to push you ahead. No one is entitled to this information, but getting it would give you a advantage over others.

1 or 2 years ago it came out that Ubisoft aren't going to send out review copies to Reviewers they didn't like. As a Reviewer your only response to this is to either take the hit to your income by losing out on a review copy, or start writing reviews that praise ubisoft games more.

Ubisoft doesn't have to send out review copies. It's a privilege that Game Reviewers can enjoy, but it's one with a real economic incentive. That economic incentive can be used essentially as censorship.

Can you see why this is problematic? That the only criteria he lists as a deciding factor, is how much negative coverage a news media has on him? This is a form of cencorship.
Again, I agree, but it's not a 1st amedment issue and we can't pretend it is. I also wouldn't call it censorship. It's more of a business issue at that point, choosing who gets first say on a piece of info. It's not like the other review sites and/or news outlets don't get the info eventually...
 
Again, I agree, but it's not a 1st amedment issue and we can't pretend it is. I also wouldn't call it censorship. It's more of a business issue at that point, choosing who gets first say on a piece of info. It's not like the other review sites and/or news outlets don't get the info eventually...

Sure but you can see how you doing so is essentially the carrot and stick method to the press. You're creating an environment that can only encourage one particular view point for fear of losing out on monetary gain.

The news will still get to other news sites, but it'd diluted by whatever twist or bias the original author and editor put on it. It's why it's important to get different view points.
 

BANGS

Banned
Sure but you can see how you doing so is essentially the carrot and stick method to the press. You're creating an environment that can only encourage one particular view point for fear of losing out on monetary gain.

The news will still get to other news sites, but it'd diluted by whatever twist or bias the original author and editor put on it. It's why it's important to get different view points.
Honestly I can't care about that. It's not about a viewpoint, it's about bias. News is to report, not to spin. I don't really give a shit if a news outlet is having trouble spinning stories, I can't really feel sorry for them...
 
How about another example that might help.

Game reviewers these days make money off of clicks. Either in articles or videos. Getting games or information in advance of others would be a great advantage to push you ahead. No one is entitled to this information, but getting it would give you a advantage over others.

1 or 2 years ago it came out that Ubisoft aren't going to send out review copies to Reviewers they didn't like. As a Reviewer your only response to this is to either take the hit to your income by losing out on a review copy, or start writing reviews that praise ubisoft games more.

Ubisoft doesn't have to send out review copies. It's a privilege that Game Reviewers can enjoy, but it's one with a real economic incentive. The withholding of that economic incentive can be seen and pretty much is censorship.

Can you see why this is problematic? That the only criteria he lists as a deciding factor, is how much negative coverage a news media has on him? This is a form of cencorship.

Why should the government favor corporate media with this economic incentive? That's unfair to all of us out here without multibillion dollar news outlets.

Even if Trump's motivations are flawed, I don't think the media should have special access that anyone else can not get. We should either all have the same privilege or none of us have it.
 
Why should the government favor corporate media with this economic incentive? That's unfair to all of us out here without multibillion dollar news outlets.

Even if Trump's motivations are flawed, I don't think the media should have special access that anyone else can not get. We should either all have the same privilege or none of us have it.

I'm all for it. Though if you ever see the press conferences, the new agencies are jammed in there. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to pay for a seat. I'm not sure how you get in to a press conference, but it probably feels more like the lack of space/security reasons, make it more practical to only include the biggest news networks.

Back in the 1800s the White House used to be open. Anyone could go in or out. They wanted to the government to be transparent, so the public could just wander it and meet the President. I'm not sure when it stopped, but I think it was for the same reason.
 

JP

Member
It sounds like he's really wanting to turn America into exactly the sort of place that America will probably end up invading at some point. Still, looking at the bright side, I know he's only doing it to protect the freedom and liberty of the 327 million people that he works for.
 
I'm all for it. Though if you ever see the press conferences, the new agencies are jammed in there. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to pay for a seat. I'm not sure how you get in to a press conference, but it probably feels more like the lack of space/security reasons, make it more practical to only include the biggest news networks.

Back in the 1800s the White House used to be open. Anyone could go in or out. They wanted to the government to be transparent, so the public could just wander it and meet the President. I'm not sure when it stopped, but I think it was for the same reason.

That's why I think you'd need to do an online press conference, a lottery to attend a physical conference that anyone can enter, or a combination of the two.
 

zumphry

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lol at him blatantly stating that he thinks negative news is fake news. his supporters won't give a shit though. just another day for ol' smoothbrains.
 
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Ke0

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Because inviting reporters into your literal home is a privilege for a press, not a right. Reporters don't have a right to interview you on your property, you have to grant them permission to do that. Is it a freedom of speech issue when celebrities tell paparazzi to fuck off?

Trump doesn't own the White House, it's not his property lol.
 
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NickFire

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He should grown a spine. He's the President of United States for god sake.
I think it's readily apparent he has a very stiff "spine" (in the figurative sense that you used the phrase). He basically says and does whatever he wants without giving a darn who gets mad. Come to think of it, aren't the press people who say this really saying he needs to stop doing / saying what he wants and take his lumps without crying about it? Seems more like they're saying he needs to get rid of his "spine".
 
Honestly I can't care about that. It's not about a viewpoint, it's about bias. News is to report, not to spin. I don't really give a shit if a news outlet is having trouble spinning stories, I can't really feel sorry for them...

The problem is we are all bias. Whether we intend to or not. That's why you try to get as many view points as possible. What Trump is claiming is a malicious bias, that certain pundits are going out of their way to only criticize him. Which is impossible to prove, unless you have someone actually stating they are only doing this because they don't like Trump.

Would you be ok if a Dem President did it? He banned Fox or any other right leaning News pundits because they were critical of him/her.
 

BANGS

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Trump doesn't own the White House, it's not his property lol.
He lives there. There is no difference. If you lived in an apartment complex you can still tell reporters to fuck off if they decide they want access to your living room, or even the shared laundry room. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, you didn't actually think I was suggesting each president is handed the deed to the white house during inauguration did you?

The problem is we are all bias. Whether we intend to or not. That's why you try to get as many view points as possible.
I actually have no interest in people's viewpoints when absorbing news. Viewpoints are for discussion like in this forum, not for the news. I really don't care about what random bitch #1 thinks about a situation he/she has nothing to do with...

What Trump is claiming is a malicious bias, that certain pundits are going out of their way to only criticize him. Which is impossible to prove, unless you have someone actually stating they are only doing this because they don't like Trump.
It is impossible to prove because people can just deny it, but common sense says it's true. Most of the big media outlets that are obviously biased and they cater to viewers who are obviously biased. It's all pure drivel...

Would you be ok if a Dem President did it? He banned Fox or any other right leaning News pundits because they were critical of him/her.
Of course I would, how would that change anything? Fox is hot garbage, they don't deserve the privilege that only quality journalists should receive IMO...
 
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I actually have no interest in people's viewpoints when absorbing news. Viewpoints are for discussion like in this forum, not for the news. I really don't care about what random bitch #1 thinks about a situation he/she has nothing to do with...

I agree, but it's impossible to get unbiased news. Everything from a camera angle, to the context given can totally change how people digest media.

It is impossible to prove because people can just deny it, but common sense says it's true. Most of the big media outlets that are obviously biased and they cater to viewers who are obviously biased. It's all pure drivel...

I agree that most are biased to the viewers/readers which is another good reason to multiple view points. While I think the current standard of news reporting is very lax, I would not trust myself to decide which I think are malicious biased on a subject and which aren't. I'm all for regulating the market, but the media is one of the ones I don't think we can afford to. It's because of what you just said that I can't. Common Sense is subjective and who's to say the next person down the line decides all but one media source are too biased. Who's to say that isn't a state funded media source? Trump did try to setup his own new media source last year, I think.

Of course I would, how would that change anything? Fox is hot garbage, they don't deserve the privilege that only quality journalists should receive IMO...

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think any form of government censorship of the news media is bad. I think that you disagree and that in some instances you would be ok with that (correct me if I'm wrong.).
 

BANGS

Banned
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think any form of government censorship of the news media is bad. I think that you disagree and that in some instances you would be ok with that (correct me if I'm wrong.).
My stance is also that government censorship of the news media is very, very bad. But I don't see this as censorship. We're talking about access here. The government is not telling them what they can and can't write about, they are just not providing information. There is nothing wrong with that IMO.
 

NickFire

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My stance is also that government censorship of the news media is very, very bad. But I don't see this as censorship. We're talking about access here. The government is not telling them what they can and can't write about, they are just not providing information. There is nothing wrong with that IMO.
I wouldn't even go that far. I see it as not allowing the opposition party to use the WH press room to fling wild and often false / misleading accusations in the form of questions. Acosta is a perfect example. Every time I see him get called he preaches for 20-30 seconds before asking questions like "have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

In other words, he's not threatening to stop letting them report the news. He's saying he's had enough of them making themselves the news.
 
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