He probably doesn't, but Republicans will. And if they set up recording of the phone call ahead of time it'll look like all they cared about was catching Trump out.
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Trump to widow of dead Sargent: 'He knew what he signed up for'
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He probably doesn't, but Republicans will. And if they set up recording of the phone call ahead of time it'll look like all they cared about was catching Trump out.
Triggerhappytel
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I can't find the comment now, but I read on here someone saying he can't lie his way out of this one because there will be transcripts. Is that not true then?
obijkenobi
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Hoe do you think ita going to play out with POTUs doeant produce anything and a pregnant widow and the Sgt's mom back up a Congresswoman?
I'm sure every phone call the president makes from the White House has a transcript but they'll never release it.
ElectricBlanketFire
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This is going to get worse because trump refuses to ever acknowledge he made a mistake. He also doesn't have the skill or awareness to address this properly. I fully expect him to just outright attack this widow by the end of the day.
This all is stuff trump would say. That's how he speaks. He doesn't prepare for anything. He's not at all empathic. He's never shown to be. He could maybe fake it for a few minutes in person but this is over a phone.
This all is stuff trump would say. That's how he speaks. He doesn't prepare for anything. He's not at all empathic. He's never shown to be. He could maybe fake it for a few minutes in person but this is over a phone.
Yes. Unfortunately, I sense an imminent attack on yet another gold star family. The man is a fucking disgrace.
The entire white house team is probably sitting there.
"No, he wouldn't attack a widow of di..... Some get his phone quick!"
Saint Gregory
Member
As much as people hate the Kardashians they're the heroes we'd need in a situation like this. Kim would let Trump dig himself into a hole made of lies for the entire day and then drop the transcript, phone recording and video of the call at 5pm.
Unfortunately since they're black, Fox News viewers think that they're lying by default. Also since the soldier was black those deplorable assholes don't care about his sacrifice or his family. All that matters is what furher Trump has to say about it.
as if fox news viewers care about proof or the truth. how many are still birthers?
holygeesus
Banned
God knows, I loathe Trump as much as the next guy, but the quote from the Washington Post makes it sound like Wilson is paraphrasing or taking insinuations rather than having Trump directly come out with the quote in the title
IMO there is a pretty big damn difference between him actually saying it and implying it.
IMO there is a pretty big damn difference between him actually saying it and implying it.
Both sides are exaggerating or misquoted what happened and don't want to get countered by the evidence of the other side.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
The soldier's mother SAID it was accurate!
We shouldn't need a damn sworn statement to believe someone over Trump.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I don't understand why this keeps happening in every thread like this.
"I hate Trump but....I can't stand him but....He's a moron but...."
I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. Is it some kind of coping mechanism because people still can't believe someone this callous and devoid of morals is their leader?
KenzinFive
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Of course, he criticized Wilson on Twitter just like we all expected. Like clockwork, this guy.
Her hats are weird, but an odd sense of style doesn't matter when she actually gives a shit about her constituents, her district, and her fellow human beings. I'm definitely glad she's my Congresswoman. Hold this embarrassment of a president accountable for the awful shit he says, Congresswoman. You're making us proud.
And now we have the widow backing up the statement as well. Go ahead, Trump. Please try running a war widow through the mud. See how that works out for you.
Her hats are weird, but an odd sense of style doesn't matter when she actually gives a shit about her constituents, her district, and her fellow human beings. I'm definitely glad she's my Congresswoman. Hold this embarrassment of a president accountable for the awful shit he says, Congresswoman. You're making us proud.
And now we have the widow backing up the statement as well. Go ahead, Trump. Please try running a war widow through the mud. See how that works out for you.
holygeesus
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I don't believe Trump. He is a serial liar. It was more a comment on how the WP phrased the conversation.
If you want to hurt your brain, watch a few Fox News primetime shows. It's three-four hours of straight Trump ball-licking. It's truly a fact-free universe.
Even if he didn't say that exactly, which the mother corroborates, does it even matter? The wife came away feeling disrespected with the impression that he didn't know the dead soldier's name. There's no value in focusing on the minutiae of what was said rather than recognizing the fact that the president of the United States disrespected a dead soldier in a call to his next-of-kin, right on the backs of berating NFL players for disrespecting veterans in their protests and blatantly lying that previous presidents did not do these calls.
Trump just is a horrible human being. I'm sorry but things like this should really be grounds for impeachment. Not because of any laws being broken, but just because of how horrible it makes the country look. This is our leader? This is who represents us to the world? This is who the rest of the country should look up, to emulate, to aspire to be? Who would want this man as their friend? Their neighbor? Their Dad?
He needs to go.
He needs to go.
ElectricBlanketFire
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He got elected after insulting a gold star family. So apparently insulting dead soldiers and their families is grounds for being president.
Dubbedinenglish
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People still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt.
He gets the benefit of doubt over a couple of black women....
Pretty muchPeople still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt.
The guy who insulted John McCain's war record, who dodged the draft 5 times, who insulted and attacked Gold Star families, who falsely claimed other presidents didn't comfort family's of the fallen, all of this on record...
He's a pathological liar, and that's not hyperbole. He's been caught up in these lies time and time and time again.
He doesn't get the "benefit of the doubt". People KNOW he lies. His supporters CHOOSE to ignore the ugly truth, because burying your head in the sand is easier than accepting or admitting culpability that by electing him, they may have backed the wrong horse.
ElectricBlanketFire
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So...proof any time now...
Perfect summary. Dead on.
Didn't matter because they were not white. That's the mindset of Trump supporters.
Actually, i'm not even sure if they were, it would have actually change something.
Saint Gregory
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His supporters aren't ignoring anything. The vast majority of them know just as well as you do what Trump is but will pretend that they don't because the pain he causes decent people is entertaining to them. This is just a nation wide expansion of "The Apprentice".
jimmypython
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some people just like to counter argue for the sake of counter arguing.
Of course they're telling the truth.
But Trump can't be caught in the lie unless there is direct evidence... It will, again, be a he said/she said and it can't be pinned to him.
SuperPac
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Whenever he makes off the cuff comments I feel like he just says a bunch of phrases, and if he's called on any of it later, he'll pick and choose which one he actually meant and disavow any knowledge of ever saying the other thing as if it never happened. Or he'll word-spew things about the person/group/media outlet trying to call him on it, or say that he has proof even when he does not.
Or he'll couch them with "I heard" or "people are saying" - where he doesn't have to prove anything. And if the media presses him (because who else would?), it's "fake news" and "you media are constantly attacking me / they're allowed to print whatever they want" and soon forgotten - because there is no comeback.
It's been the cycle since his campaign began and it's maybe the saddest part of this whole thing. Can we go back to when political careers were ended if a candidate let out a triumphant "yeaaaah!!"?
Or he'll couch them with "I heard" or "people are saying" - where he doesn't have to prove anything. And if the media presses him (because who else would?), it's "fake news" and "you media are constantly attacking me / they're allowed to print whatever they want" and soon forgotten - because there is no comeback.
It's been the cycle since his campaign began and it's maybe the saddest part of this whole thing. Can we go back to when political careers were ended if a candidate let out a triumphant "yeaaaah!!"?
Fancyarcher
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I hate this man, hate, hate, hate him!!! He is so awful, as we all know. Anyone who's still defending him at this point is a horrible person in my book.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
He gets caught in lies with proof all the time. Crowd size? It wasn't raining during his speech.
Bloody hell.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
Right after he shows his tax returns right?
ebullientprism
Member
Its not his monumental fuck ups that are astonishing to me, its when he fucks up something routine that blows my mind.
Comforting grieving parents or a bereaved loved one isnt rocket science. Almost every adult has had to do this at some point or the other. Even if you dont want to take responsibility as a leader of armed men, you can still feel your way through this conversation and do fine.
But not him. How do fuck up a basic human interaction? Its not even about competence or professionalism when that happens. You failed as a human being when you do that.
Comforting grieving parents or a bereaved loved one isnt rocket science. Almost every adult has had to do this at some point or the other. Even if you dont want to take responsibility as a leader of armed men, you can still feel your way through this conversation and do fine.
But not him. How do fuck up a basic human interaction? Its not even about competence or professionalism when that happens. You failed as a human being when you do that.
This is actually a great explanation of how Trump works in general.
Don't know if your reply is out of frustration or aimed at me directly, but no shit he lies all the fucking time.
His supporters believe he's telling the truth. His enabling party won't fight back because there if there is no tape of the conversation, they can simply say it's impossible to know. You want this to stick to Trump? You're going to need evidence.
This happens multiple times per week for the last year.
He isnt some kind of a nimble escape artist, he just smears more bullshit to cover up the previous bullshit.
ElectricBlanketFire
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His supporters don't care, evidence or not.
Harder to squirm out of it if there's literally a tape of him saying this.
And it again muddies the water while he's trying to get his party to rally for his tax reform push.
He's a malignant narcissist with zero empathy. You can tell his brain just picks words and phrases that he thinks will make him sound like he cares. He doesn't feel anything (except for himself) and can't relate to anyone who does.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You were just given an example of a case with evidence. I'll give you another, the Access Hollywood tape.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Is this Trump fishing for sympathy? At least he knew what he signed up for....
But hey, at least hes calling them unlike everyone other president...
But hey, at least hes calling them unlike everyone other president...
Different scenarios.
You can't defend this comment as locker room talk. Plus, it's insulting to military families, which is a sacred cow of the GOP.
Saint Gregory
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Yeah, try asking a Trump supporter if they think he's a sexual predator for example. Like besides even the Access Hollywood tape there are hours of Howard Stern interviews where he proudly describes himself as one but good luck getting an admittal out of them.
He already openly harassed a Gold Star family and the GOP didn't do shit.