Rocket Punch
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Tumblr Banning Pro-Anorexia, Self-harm Blogs.
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you do know that nearly all academically checked (and therefore valid) articles are published in this manner?
If you've ever been to a university you can log in and look at the article, but the abstract (which is on the page I linked) describes the article.
I think a lot of public libraries will give you log-ins too.
I totally ate like 5 whoppers for lunch today. yay!
CornBurrito
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I disagree that jogging and green tea are harmful forms of dealing with an issue.
I mean, if someone pops a can of green tea whenever they get upset, then yes that is a problem. But jogging every now and then (and physical activity in general) helps people with depression.
Well then they are fucked up and hypocritical.
teruterubozu
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There always seems to be a study that legitimizes every vice in the world, if you look hard enough.
I'm not one to pull the pedo argument but it works here.
Sounds pretty bad to me. Why do you want people to promote this kind of crap?
freenudemacusers
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I can be your feeder baby.
Oh what i meant that they should suppliments to getting better but not the only way to get better. I am just against people who take coping to the extreme (running for 5 hours without rest/constant cleanses herbal remedies).
Slurpy2k20
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CHEEZMO™;35410395 said:
You probably just described 99% of the human population, and I'm with them. Yes, self-harm is 'garbage' and it has no place in rational debate other than to say it's wrong and the person doing it needs to seek psychiatric help. And yes, it is sick.
CHEEZMO™
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It depends on what one considers "promotion".
If the Tumblr contained guides on how and where to cut safely, what tools to use, how to clean both tools and wound(s) etc. would that be seen as "encouraging" self-harm behaviour?
I think I'm making a similar point to what Meadows said earlier about clinics giving out clean heroin and needles and letting addicts administer it somewere safe. I know it's not a perfect comparison, but it's decent enough.
Of course, the above is just speculation - I haven't seen the Tumblrs in question.
An ever-effective tactic that always solves problems.
Self harm isn't something a normal healthy individual would do.
If you think about doing so and/or actually do it, you should get psychiatric help like Paradoxal said.
Promoting it and telling others to go for it is complete bullshit. It's not normal and shouldn't be supported. It should be prevented and combated.
If you think about doing so and/or actually do it, you should get psychiatric help like Paradoxal said.
Promoting it and telling others to go for it is complete bullshit. It's not normal and shouldn't be supported. It should be prevented and combated.
I haven't seen any Tumblrs either but I'm guessing it's not a 'good' promotion.CHEEZMO™;35410780 said:
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Escape Goat
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People usually don't harm themselves for the heck of it. Theres some psychological issue at play that should be addressed. Its all part of behaving like an emotionally balanced human being.
Why is it bad?
Why would a normal person want to hurt themselves?
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First of all your view of normal is personal and subjective.
Second of all most ways of escapism are harmful.
I will say that if possible, cutting as a tool to deal with issues should be avoided, there are less stigmatised and more subconsciously healthy ways of dealing with issues, but for many, cutting provides relief that would otherwise be provided with either hard drug addiction or suicide.
One big issue with self-harm is the scars that are left behind. Despite how careful you are in doing it, it does leave faint scar tissue. If you tend to do it multiple times there are tracks of skin that cannot be simply explained by saying you cut yourself. Now imagine you are doing better, but those physical scars will always be there to remind you. Furthermore, when you do get intimate with people they will see it, causing further shame. It makes it harder for people to reach out when you have actual problems. Coupled with the fact that most people equate cutting as sucidal behaviour, you can see why this is not a good means of coping with problems.
I do recognize it is one coping method, but what people need to realize is that there is so much more out there that can help them.
Which is....what makes them bad, the harm part.
Cutting and self harming comes from an imbalance, be it mental of physiological in the individual. Self harming is not a sustainable means of balancing that. That's not even mentioning the risk involved with injuries, however careful you might be, repeated injuries even superficials are not a good thing.
Well, i don't necessarily think self-harm is a good thing, simply because i am not personally involved in it (so i'm not arguing for or against it, as a method to cope with problems).
My point is that (as i said earlier) you can't force people to be happy and solve their shit, UNLESS they are harming others (like child predators DO) and, finding a position disgusting, is not enough to prevent such people to express it, in my opinion.
Stormfront is a pretty shameful and disgusting place, you'd agree, but as long as they don't actively harm others (or actively organize to do so) they should have the right to have a space to express their opinion, however horrible.
The reason i believe this, is because i think there should be just enough policing around to prevent people to harm others, and if we start policing what we simply find disgusting(but has not effective harm for 3rd parties) it is a slippery slope.
I personally am not involved in self-harm, so this thing may not touch me personally (and i could easily don't give a shit) but i can also emphasize with it, thinking about a hypothetical parallel enforcing healthy food (EPIC meal time glorifies unhealthy foods, we could argue) or the like.
Again, we cannot force happiness, only guarantee that your unhappyness is not going to harm others (as much as possible, ofcourse).
Then, i'm all for giving as much help as we can to people, that's a given.
That's my point of view, maybe i'm missing something of the big picture.
EDIT: Missed a "not" there.
CHEEZMO™
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Not all self-harm leaves scars. I, for example, have none.
Or they could be seen as a part of your past that you have triumphed over - reminding you that you have conquered the self-destructive behaviour you were once engaged in. A reminder that you can always pull through.
Just my perspective, of course.
Omegasquash
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This isn't about normal or not. Some of these blogs advocate for harmful behavior. While that's protected by the first amendment, you waive that right when agreeing to the terms and conditions set forth by the provider.
I'm with them 100% here.
I'm with them 100% here.
Everyone has an imbalance and everyone needs escape.
Me? I play CoD for a bit too long, that has an affect on my relationship and I need to balance it with my GF.
For some? They cut themselves a little bit while listening to music, that has an affect on their relationship with society, they need to balance it to avoid stigma.
Everything has an upside or a downside. Cutting isn't the best form of escapism but it's better than many, many others that Tumblr continues to promote, hence my disappointment.
CHEEZMO™;35411199 said:
That is absolutely something that comes up a lot in literature surrounding self-mutilation.
It's a very interesting practice, and although I'd advise you as a friend on NeoGAF to try other, less potentially dangerous forms of escapism, such as weaving hemp in the Himalayas or becoming a fundamentalist evangelical Christian, I appreciate your input.
(that last bit was a joke btw)
Normal as in no mental issues.
I can definitely see your point.
Self harm is NOT good and for that reason I'm happy to see anything promoting it get shut down.
Why not promote trying to get some help instead? Self harm doesn't fix your problems.
Weemanply109
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I'm glad to see this is happening, the self-harm blogs were disgusting.
freenudemacusers
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You can't associate pleasures by design, with relief from harm. The reason self harm is used as a coping mechanism is because the body and mind provide relief from the harm, and individuals piggy back it to an unrelated problem.
Playing CoD too long and the result being a shitty relationship is different from playing CoD because your relationship is shitty.
I have not read the thread, just the title and OP.
Good, I had a niece who went through this nightmare about 3-5 years ago. This crap almost helped kill her, she almost died and I just barely saved her life just in time. I despise this type of movement, so much. One of the worst things our family has ever been through. I know all about this sort of mess.
Good, I had a niece who went through this nightmare about 3-5 years ago. This crap almost helped kill her, she almost died and I just barely saved her life just in time. I despise this type of movement, so much. One of the worst things our family has ever been through. I know all about this sort of mess.
I'm cool with them taking this stuff down, but the rhetoric in this thread is a little weird to me. I have seen entire threads on GAF based around what some people would deem self-destructive behavior, and no-one is upset about those. I think it's important to at least acknowledge that society deems some self-destructive behavior "worse" or "better" than others due to social norms and familiarity.
I don't know anything about these sites beyond the broad strokes (I don't spend a lot of time looking at things that make me angry) but I CAN restrain myself from talking to another gaffer like their stupid just because they choose to take the cold and logical stance on the subject rather than the one informed by our culture and morals.
I mean, do we lecture people for talking about the best food that is clearly terrible for them or discussing the best ways to get the most fucked up in the shortest amount of time? ...because that shit harms more people than self-mutilation, anorexia, child rape and murder combined.
I don't personally equate all of these things as equal, because centuries of history have programmed my culture to view "drinking fermented grape juice in order to suffer from it's toxic effect for fun" as a part of standard social procedure... but it's not like someone is completely fucking insane if they basically equate that to cutting yourself in a safe and controlled manner. I don't agree, but it doesn't warrant condescension either.
Sure, there are better forms of coping and people should seek them, it's impossible to argue with that, but I doubt many of us on GAF are completely in tune with ourselves and don't self-medicate in unhealthy ways. Even if the ways we are subtle and take time to show their effects.
I don't know anything about these sites beyond the broad strokes (I don't spend a lot of time looking at things that make me angry) but I CAN restrain myself from talking to another gaffer like their stupid just because they choose to take the cold and logical stance on the subject rather than the one informed by our culture and morals.
I mean, do we lecture people for talking about the best food that is clearly terrible for them or discussing the best ways to get the most fucked up in the shortest amount of time? ...because that shit harms more people than self-mutilation, anorexia, child rape and murder combined.
I don't personally equate all of these things as equal, because centuries of history have programmed my culture to view "drinking fermented grape juice in order to suffer from it's toxic effect for fun" as a part of standard social procedure... but it's not like someone is completely fucking insane if they basically equate that to cutting yourself in a safe and controlled manner. I don't agree, but it doesn't warrant condescension either.
Sure, there are better forms of coping and people should seek them, it's impossible to argue with that, but I doubt many of us on GAF are completely in tune with ourselves and don't self-medicate in unhealthy ways. Even if the ways we are subtle and take time to show their effects.
sixteen-bit
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Quote the source, not me. Thanks.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I can only hope that "body modification" falls under "self-harm" because it damn well should.
I just put you on my ignore list, where's your freedom of speech now?
I'd never put you on my ignore list :3
All pictures containing piercings, tattoos and scars removed? Not likely. They're definitely going to keep anything considered "normal" in western culture.
Slurpy2k20
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Right, the 'everything is subjective' bullshit.
If you want to pretend that there's some debate to be had as to whether self-mutilation is inherently good or bad, go right ahead. I'm sure there's some specialized places on the internet for that. Just don't expect most people to join you in that 'subjective' discussion. The response from anyone who isn't mentality sick is: It's bad, seek help. Encouraging it as a way to 'deal' with things is pretty despicable.
Just like to point out that I have a good relationship with my GF, I like to play CoD to escape from other problems in my life (essays and such) but the side effect is that it sometimes pisses off my GF
Yeah sure, for example, on a discussion board, like...say...NeoGAF OT?
06nbarnhill
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lol self harm defense force.
Never change GAF.
(I actually disagree with their decision but the people on here rationalizing about how self harm needs to be de-stigmatized, how it a legitimate coping mechanism, and how its "not that bad" blow my mind.)
Never change GAF.
(I actually disagree with their decision but the people on here rationalizing about how self harm needs to be de-stigmatized, how it a legitimate coping mechanism, and how its "not that bad" blow my mind.)
Why don't you copypaste the relevant parts (and cite them properly) so people here are properly educated?
If you feel that strongly on the matter, 4 minutes of your time and effort should be nothing.
ClassyPenguin
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yeah, lets not support public funding of mental health services, lets support these blogs who help people further their mental illness. As long as it's safe right? Self-harm by definition is not safe and is a sign of something wrong that with psychological and medical help can be righted.
And people talk about Orwellian? This isn't the US government censoring this(which, also would be their right as a health issue), it's a private company!
And people talk about Orwellian? This isn't the US government censoring this(which, also would be their right as a health issue), it's a private company!
jediyoshi
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It's okay, you meant well.
LOL at the armchair psychologists and psychiatrists in this thread.
Free speech should only be acceptable provided it does not cause harm to others.
People who self-harm and forgo eating aren't people who should be reading blogs which justifies their crusade. They need professional help, and the internet is certainly not going to give that.
These are the exact kind of blogs which ruin lives and families. But in GAF, there is a defence force for literally everything. It amazes me how some of you cease to use your brain.
'BU-BU-BU FREE SPEECH'.
Free speech should only be acceptable provided it does not cause harm to others.
People who self-harm and forgo eating aren't people who should be reading blogs which justifies their crusade. They need professional help, and the internet is certainly not going to give that.
These are the exact kind of blogs which ruin lives and families. But in GAF, there is a defence force for literally everything. It amazes me how some of you cease to use your brain.
'BU-BU-BU FREE SPEECH'.
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