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[ghstwrld]

+1 TTGL

 

[-COOLIO-]

I have weighed in. I am both a Marvel fan and anime afficionado, and hold no biases toward either of these characters. I am approaching this from a purely logical state.

The ultimate nullifier has shown sheer destructive power greater than anything, even Super TTGL, has shown. If the nullifier is allowed to fire, it would surely be able to obliterate and otherwise erase STTGL from existence. While the TTGL crew has obviously shown the ability to evolve without limit, it takes time to do so, and the nullifier would wipe them out immediately.

The question here is whether or not the nullifier is allowed to fire. The greatest asset that the TTGL group has shown is probability manipulation, other known as a controllable deus ex machina, which if used, could easily render the nullifier completely useless with a 0% chance of working correctly. Sheer, brute force has no effect on this ability.

Here I'd be tempted to give TTGL the victory, but there is another factor to consider. If both combatants were placed in front of each other, weapons at the ready, how fast could these powers be used? It's been a bit since I've seen the anime, but I do not believe TTGL would possess the ability to retroactively use its probability altering powers after destruction, which means that its speed of use is limited by the reaction time of its human pilots.

Galactus, presumably, has far-beyond-mortal speed of cognition and reaction. Very simply, if he uses the ultimate nullifier immediately and the weapon takes effect instantaneously, TTGL will be obliterated from existence with no opportunity to use its abilities in reaction. It all sort of depends on the exact scenario in which these two meet. Are they told about this battle beforehand? Do they have knowledge of the others' abilities before the conflict?

I wanted TTGL to win, but under the above deduction and without further information, GALACTUS +1. The speed of the nullifier is just too great.

if speed is the issue than garran lagann is already capable of moving way faster than the speed of light

galactus exists through all time or whatever

but the bottom line is gl wins

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I'm at work. what did you post?

if speed is the issue than garran lagann is already capable of moving way faster than the speed of light

galactus exists through all time or whatever

but the bottom line is gl wins

brilliant logic, he wins just because isn't a power. Galactus can move at light too.

 

[survivor]

I'm at work. what did you post?

Kamina with Green Lantern powers.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Kamina with Green Lantern powers.

did he beat the embodiment of death?

 

[thetechkid]

But thats the Blue Lattern, unless I'm going color blind...

 

[-COOLIO-]

did he beat the embodiment of death?

in a sense he has

 

[Feep]

if speed is the issue than garran lagann is already capable of moving way faster than the speed of light

galactus exists through all time or whatever

but the bottom line is gl wins

*Speed* is not the issue. The speed at which their powers can used is the issue. The TTGL has human pilots, who would require at least some milliseconds to use an ability. Galactus could move much faster.

 

[survivor]

But thats the Blue Lattern, unless I'm going color blind...

There is a Blue Lantern now?

 

[Timedog]

My strength to change who wins this battle is directly proportional to the amount that TTGL fans overpower TTGL and make awesomely ridiculous statements.

 

[cutmeamango]

*Speed* is not the issue. The speed at which their powers can used is the issue. The TTGL has human pilots, who would require at least some milliseconds to use an ability. Galactus could move much faster.

They have the speed of awareness. The fastest thing in all relativity and non-relativity.
The fact alone that they thought about the possible outcomes of an encounter is enough to it act faster than Galactus.

 

[-COOLIO-]

*Speed* is not the issue. The speed at which their powers can used is the issue. The TTGL has human pilots, who would require at least some milliseconds to use an ability. Galactus could move much faster.

through some kind of trickery the pilots are clearly able to execute attacks rapidly that each of which should take eons to complete so they must (in a sense) be moving faster than the speed of light themselves

 

[thetechkid]

There is a Blue Lantern now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_spectrum

Theres a ton of em.

 

[Draft]

Here are the facts:

Galactus always loses. Always. He's tried to eat Earth how many times? And what happens each time? Beaten by Reed Richards, or Iron Man, or Squirrel Girl or Speedball or who knows.

TTGL always wins. No matter how desperate the situation, how large the foe, how impossible the odds, TTGL's will to win conquers all.

This fight is over before it begins.

 

[Haly]

I still think it's ridiculous that all the violet lanterns are scantily clad female humanoids.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Here are the facts:

Galactus always loses. Always. He's tried to eat Earth how many times? And what happens each time? Beaten by Reed Richards, or Iron Man, or Squirrel Girl or Speedball or who knows.

TTGL always wins. No matter how desperate the situation, how large the foe, how impossible the odds, TTGL's will to win conquers all.

This fight is over before it begins.

BOOM SHAKALAKA

 

[Ellis Kim]

+1 TTGL

 

[karasu]

Here are the facts:

Galactus always loses. Always. He's tried to eat Earth how many times? And what happens each time? Beaten by Reed Richards, or Iron Man, or Squirrel Girl or Speedball or who knows.

TTGL always wins. No matter how desperate the situation, how large the foe, how impossible the odds, TTGL's will to win conquers all.

This fight is over before it begins.

That means fuck all. If Galactus "eats" Earth, Marvel can't sell anymore books.

 

[Wiseblade]

I still think it's ridiculous that all the violet lanterns are scantily clad female humanoids.

Sound like bad fanfiction.

 

[Big One]

So... weaker than what I just said.

No, not even close. You're greatly exagerrating what GL can do, just like everyone in this thread.

I have yet to see any justifiable reasons to why GL would be able to use his power to prevent pure non-existence. As I said in another post, Galactus can still will him out of existence at any time. That is a pure, unadulterated fact that you simply cannot avoid when it comes to a versus discussion, and puts Galactus over a ridiculous amount of powerhouse characters out there. GL has not shown at any point in the series, at all, to be able to use spiral to will him back to existence, so saying otherwise is just getting to fanfiction territory.

Various comments in this thread like someone saying that Galactus is only the size of a planet, makes me realize that no one in this thread really knows about Galactus in the first place. I'm not surprised by this, however.

GL will win but I'm still right.

 

[Draft]

That means fuck all. If Galactus "eats" Earth, Marvel can't sell anymore books.

TT more, fanboy. He fails. Every. Fucking. Time. Oh no, it's Galactus! How scary! Everyone... wait, everyone do nothing. He's just going to float around for a bit until Xfactor tricks him into absorbing a poisonous thing, or some other stupid shit.

He's a fail villian. Total fail. A joke. A clown.

The only villainous thing he's ever succeeded at is causing me to choose the anime option in a poll. Ugh, feels so dirty.

 

[-PXG-]

+1 Gurren Lagannn

What a coincidence, my girl and I finished watching TTGL (my third time).

Yeah, Dai Gurrendan would fuck Galactus up. Hell, in Lagann Hen, they form Super TTGL, which dwarfs Tengen Toppa.

Lordegenome's quantum breakdown and the will to evolve gives TTGL near limitless power. If only they had the Anti-Spiral's Infinity Big Bang Storm...holy shit.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

No, not even close. You're greatly exagerrating what GL can do, just like everyone in this thread.

I have yet to see any justifiable reasons to why GL would be able to use his power to prevent pure non-existence. As I said in another post, Galactus can still will him out of existence at any time. That is a pure, unadulterated fact that you simply cannot avoid when it comes to a versus discussion, and puts Galactus over a ridiculous amount of powerhouse characters out there. GL has not shown at any point in the series, at all, to be able to use spiral to will him back to existence, so saying otherwise is just getting to fanfiction territory.

Various comments in this thread like someone saying that Galactus is only the size of a planet, makes me realize that no one in this thread really knows about Galactus in the first place. I'm not surprised by this, however.

GL will win but I'm still right.

Genome survives being reduced to the lowest form of existence possible, and he has far less Spiral Power than adult Simon has. Simon declines to bring people back from the dead who have pretty much been completely destroyed on a material level, and then the universe they died in was removed from existence, and it's only out of respect for their sacrifice and not by any limitations of his power.

 

[Big One]

Genome survives being reduced to the lowest form of existence possible, and he has far less Spiral Power than adult Simon has. Simon declines to bring people back from the dead who have pretty much been completely destroyed on a material level, and then the universe they died in was removed from existence, and it's only out of respect for their sacrifice and not by any limitations of his power.

? That says nothing on GL being able to break out of non-existence.

 

[Feep]

They have the speed of awareness. The fastest thing in all relativity and non-relativity.
The fact alone that they thought about the possible outcomes of an encounter is enough to it act faster than Galactus.

through some kind of trickery the pilots are clearly able to execute attacks rapidly that each of which should take eons to complete so they must (in a sense) be moving faster than the speed of light themselves

I have no idea what either of you are talking about. The pilots are HUMAN. They CANNOT REACT FASTER THAN A HUMAN CAN, regardless of how fast their mech can move through space.

 

[-COOLIO-]

No, not even close. You're greatly exagerrating what GL can do, just like everyone in this thread.

I have yet to see any justifiable reasons to why GL would be able to use his power to prevent pure non-existence. As I said in another post, Galactus can still will him out of existence at any time. That is a pure, unadulterated fact that you simply cannot avoid when it comes to a versus discussion, and puts Galactus over a ridiculous amount of powerhouse characters out there. GL has not shown at any point in the series, at all, to be able to use spiral to will him back to existence, so saying otherwise is just getting to fanfiction territory.

Various comments in this thread like someone saying that Galactus is only the size of a planet, makes me realize that no one in this thread really knows about Galactus in the first place. I'm not surprised by this, however.

GL will win but I'm still right.

even if galactus can travel through time he has to react, gl can move faster than light, thus galactus has no time to react

 

[Dresden]

I have no idea what either of you are talking about. The pilots are HUMAN. They CANNOT REACT FASTER THAN A HUMAN CAN, regardless of how fast their mech can move through space.

Time is probably localized within the mech itself to accommodate the slowness of human reflexes. Not a problem.

 

[Timedog]

Time is probably localized within the mech itself to accommodate the slowness of human reflexes. Not a problem.

Is this speculation or canon?

 

[zero_suit]

Is this speculation or canon?

Like most of the TTGL arguments, most likely speculation.

 

[Vice]

Galactus.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Time is probably localized within the mech itself to accommodate the slowness of human reflexes. Not a problem.

thats what it think too,

it stands to reason that if you're operating something going faster than the speed of light that you are moving faster than the speed of light yourself.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

TT more, fanboy. He fails. Every. Fucking. Time. Oh no, it's Galactus! How scary! Everyone... wait, everyone do nothing. He's just going to float around for a bit until Xfactor tricks him into absorbing a poisonous thing, or some other stupid shit.

He's a fail villian. Total fail. A joke. A clown.

The only villainous thing he's ever succeeded at is causing me to choose the anime option in a poll. Ugh, feels so dirty.

he's not a villain and he only tried to eat earth once.

Time is probably localized within the mech itself to accommodate the slowness of human reflexes. Not a problem.

I speculate that Galactus, like a predator must be able to cover large, universal size distances to feed. like you're speculating.

 

[Pandaman]

so you guys are saying its improbably for the pilots to react in time?

:>

 

[Furret]

even if galactus can travel through time he has to react, gl can move faster than light, thus galactus has no time to react

You don't seem to be listening to what the other side is saying. This same point has been stated and restated at least three times now.

They can both move faster than light, but one is human and the other is not. Galactus can react infinitely faster than the human pilots.

 

[-COOLIO-]

You don't seem to be listening to what the other side is saying. This same point has been stated and restated at least three times now.

They can both move faster than light, but one is human and the other is not. Galactus can react infinitely faster than the human pilots.

in that case id argue that gurran lagann can probably move waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster

its millions of light years tall and does dragonball z level punches at that size. ttgl could probably traverse the universe in a relative minute

 

[Furret]

in that case id argue that gurran lagann can probably move waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster

its millions of light years tall and does dragonball z level punches at that size. ttgl could probably traverse the universe in a relative minute

Are anime fans known for being dense?

OK, try this a fourth time: we are not talking about how fast they move. We are talking about how fast they think.

 

[Lostconfused]

Like most of the TTGL arguments, most likely speculation.

Isn't that the whole point of this thread? Besides the popularity contest bit.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Are anime fans known for being dense?

OK, try this a fourth time: we are not talking about how fast they move. We are talking about how fast they think.

we're talking about some seriously rediculous shit here, try not taking things so personally.

i figure if they move faster than light, theyd have to think faster than light

 

[Furret]

we're talking about some seriously rediculous shit here, try not taking things so personally.

i figure if they move faster than light, theyd have to think faster than light

When you fly in a jet plane can you start doing crosswords faster?

 

[Dresden]

Some people just take it too seriously.

Isn't that the whole point of this thread? Besides the popularity contest bit.

Not to mention that comic book shit is so convoluted and overlapping that you have a mass of contradictory data that's constantly retconned and hand-waved.

In the end:

TTGL > Reality

Galactus got owned by a dude with a flaming skull on a bike.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

we're talking about some seriously rediculous shit here, try not taking things so personally.

i figure if they move faster than light, theyd have to think faster than light

no, tehir mechs do. but they don't. it's like a car. a car is going at 100 but it doesn't mean that you yuorself could move at that speed.

 

[Parallax]

Galactus got owned by a dude with a flaming skull on a bike.

he would own simon too. he has to count up his sins as well

 

[-COOLIO-]

When you fly in a jet plane can you start doing crosswords faster?

yes

heres something i just remembered though. the people on the ground observed this faster than light battle which means that the people in the gurrenverse do react faster than light so HA

 

[Lostconfused]

Huh, apparently some one bothered to write up a TTGL specific trope http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeyondTheImpossible

 

[Furret]

yes

heres something i just remembered though. the people on the ground observed this faster than light battle which means that the people in the gurrenverse do react faster than light so HA

So they're not human?

The only other possibility could be that the writers are idiots, but certainly nothing we've heard in this thread so far could possibly suggest that...

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

? That says nothing on GL being able to break out of non-existence.

No need to break up out of non-existence.

Probability manipulation, baby!!

I think people it's missing the point of that.It's basically God tier ability. It's not about winning the lottery.It's basicalliy manipulating a 5th dimension.

 

[-COOLIO-]

So they're not human?

The only other possibility could be that the writers are idiots, but certainly nothing we've heard in this thread so far could possibly suggest that...

you havnt seen gurren lagann? youre missing out bro

back to the fighter jet thing though, if youre in a craft moving at the speed of light, im fairly certain that no human on board should even be aware of its movement, it should feel like teleportation. they were conciously aware somehow though

 

[thetechkid]

no, tehir mechs do. but they don't. it's like a car. a car is going at 100 but it doesn't mean that you yuorself could move at that speed.

In a car you're going straight most of the time, requiring very few actions to control. I doubt a mech can be piloted in a fight as easily as pressing the gas and turning a wheel.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

you havnt seen gurren lagann? youre missing out bro

back to the fighter jet thing though, if youre in a craft moving at the speed of light, im fairly certain that no human on board should even be aware of its movement, it should feel like teleportation. they were conciously aware somehow though

then they were exagerating?

yes

heres something i just remembered though. the people on the ground observed this faster than light battle which means that the people in the gurrenverse do react faster than light so HA

unless they are metahumans, then I guess they werent fighting at light speed. not even close.

 

[-COOLIO-]

then they were exagerating?



unless they are metahumans, then I guess they werent fighting at light speed. not even close.

clearly they are metahumans


cleeeaarly galactus loses