In defense of Turn 10 - I doubt it was their decision. They probably were volun-told to find a way to incorporate this into their game.
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Turn 10 announce Forza Motorsport 7 VIP changes after negative fan feedback
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In defense of Turn 10 - I doubt it was their decision. They probably were volun-told to find a way to incorporate this into their game.
Maybe but they did it for forza 5 as well. So I dont think they deserve any benefit of the doubt.
Look at MS first party output this gen.......Forza isn't the outlier in regards to this practice.
I wouldn't be surprised if Turn 10 eployees went to Microsoft like "See? See? We warned you about this!".
Goodacre0081
Member
is the answer to loot boxes $70-$80 games? i would be fine with it but i dont trust publishers to keep it as simple as that
Even if games cost $120 there would still be lootboxes. It's a thing that consumers have said they are fine with time and time again, so devs and publishers are taking advantage of it whenever possible, and if it's not possible without affecting the game progression/systems, they sure as heck will try to make it possible in the sequel, which is what we're now getting with Forza 7 and what folks have been getting with NBA2k for a few years now.
aspiegamer
Member
Technically, in the case of the VIP rewards, it's $80 and then loot boxes on top of that, just that you earn the loot boxes faster now.
A game could be any price and stuff would still get thrown in for extra cash. The only way to actually fight back against these practices is to not buy the games.
That alone is not sufficient, really. That plus being vocal about why on platforms the devs, pubs, and others will see is better.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
One thing I found interesting is that on GAF I hear a really vocal distaste for loot crates. Not just GAF, obviously - various enthusiast communities (Im not a big fan either - the random rewards in FH are about as happy as I can be with RNG rewards).
Forza Motorsports inclusion of them wasnt even remotely subtle - they have images of boxes to be opened. They were absolutely convinced this was something they wanted in the game and wanted people to know about.
So this leads me to wonder whether the larger, casual market actually enjoys this RNG reward mechanism, and thats why they put it in there so obviously.
Forza Motorsports inclusion of them wasnt even remotely subtle - they have images of boxes to be opened. They were absolutely convinced this was something they wanted in the game and wanted people to know about.
So this leads me to wonder whether the larger, casual market actually enjoys this RNG reward mechanism, and thats why they put it in there so obviously.
We have been over this countless times. It's a psychological trick that taps into the same parts of your brain as gambling does. Lots if people are susceptible to it. I know I would, be so I just try to avoid it.
JackAubrey
Member
It really isn't.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Wrecked Forza 5's economy, no doubt it'll have a large impact on FM7's.
Well done everybody.
Well done everybody.
matrix-cat
Member
Of course it is. Why else does the Tier system exist if not to force you to buy more cars so you always need more credits? Why do you now have to use purchasable consumable items to earn more credits when it used to just be a menu option toggle? Why would anyone ever buy a loot box if the game wasn't designed to make them desirable?
xrnzaaas
Member
I'm not a VIP and I don't mind. I'm actually happy that other people will finally get what they thought they were paying for.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Games already cost as much here in Europe. I can't imagine raising a price on them anymore. They would end up more than $100 with taxes. Fuck that.
If bet a lazy $50 that this isn't just in response to the outrage but also a drop in sales. This will be the first forza game I'm passing on. Not just because of this loot crate my BS but that's a big part of it.
Put the focus back on being a great racer and take it off leveling and progress bars shitting up the joint.
It's good they are changing it but the fact that they didn't see this coming is just sad.
Put the focus back on being a great racer and take it off leveling and progress bars shitting up the joint.
It's good they are changing it but the fact that they didn't see this coming is just sad.
JackAubrey
Member
Played the game much have you?
GHG
Member
How many loot boxes have you opened?
Droopaloop
Banned
As a fan of Forza and a fan of racing games in general, I can only speak broadly as I don't use a wheel. Anyway, long story short for me is I'm not buying the game. It may be a masterpiece. Maybe the corporate overlords turned it into a slot machine nightmare. Who know's. All I know is that I am not buying it on principle.
BigEmil
Junior Member
No because the game is locked behind UWP on PC
Jezbollah
Member
UWP is supposed to make it very difficult to mod games - so unless someone gets around that, I dont think you'll see that.
Fess
Member
Yup. Sorry for not complaining about this but thanks to all you who did. I'll do better next time.
And thanks to Turn10 for the cars! Please improve the AI too, I'm currently having a Destruction Derby flashback every time I enter the first turn and the AI cars smash me up.
Wow... I may have even heard about this UWP limitation at some point but just forgot it. So it's basically a weird form of online DRM for software and games? That's a total bummer, especially for single player games. When I get a PC version of a game in the back of my mind I know that when I beat it, I then have the joy of modding or breaking the game in anyway I see fit.
Audioboxer
Member
Cross posting my thoughts
People on the internet shouldn't complain about monetization because devs are only doing it to cover the cost of making the game. Anyone still want to float that?
There's still no need to have loot boxes in this game, and VIP costs above and beyond the $60 to give you an advantage over "peasant" buyers of the game. This is probably the best result you'll get out of Forza 7 though. Watch lots of people praise Turn 10 now calling them a dev that listens. In reality, welcome to PR risk management. This won't have been done because they care, but because the internet is igniting and reviews on Metacritic are starting to suffer a little. It's the same result as Blizzard removing the Diablo 3 AH or Bethesdas first removal of paid for mods.
They all want to do it again, and just find ways to reintroduce things with less gamer anger.
People on the internet shouldn't complain about monetization because devs are only doing it to cover the cost of making the game. Anyone still want to float that?
There's still no need to have loot boxes in this game, and VIP costs above and beyond the $60 to give you an advantage over "peasant" buyers of the game. This is probably the best result you'll get out of Forza 7 though. Watch lots of people praise Turn 10 now calling them a dev that listens. In reality, welcome to PR risk management. This won't have been done because they care, but because the internet is igniting and reviews on Metacritic are starting to suffer a little. It's the same result as Blizzard removing the Diablo 3 AH or Bethesdas first removal of paid for mods.
They all want to do it again, and just find ways to reintroduce things with less gamer anger.
This is true in Japan as well, most 'full-price' retail games are more than $60 USD in both local equivalents and conversion.
Curious Puppy
Banned
I wouldn't have believed a year ago we'd be seeing single player games like Shadow of War integrating loot boxes into the campaign experience. I have no idea how much worse it can get from here.
Crack scenes have been trying for a while to crack UWP and haven't made any progress, and likely never will since I think its hooked into the OS with lots of server side stuff.
When you have reviews saying shit like this:
Outlook not so good.
I thought the only way I'd stop gaming is if all games went digital only or always online. This is a much bigger and more imminent threat.
toythatkills
Member
This is always the way with videogames, "see how far you can push 'em before they push back." Then give some ground back and be celebrated for listening to feedback.
It's why games have DLC instead of content on disk, why they have expensive season passes instead of DLC, why they're full of microtransactions and expensive random drops, and why it'll just keep getting worse. They'll try this again with Forza 8 and by then the landscape will have changed enough that they'll get away with it. Consumers in this market are way too easy to manipulate.
It's why games have DLC instead of content on disk, why they have expensive season passes instead of DLC, why they're full of microtransactions and expensive random drops, and why it'll just keep getting worse. They'll try this again with Forza 8 and by then the landscape will have changed enough that they'll get away with it. Consumers in this market are way too easy to manipulate.
Angelus Errare
Banned
They'd still add loot boxes.
Capitalism, your product can never make too much money.
They fixed the main issue that VIP owners had, not all the problems.
doughEATER
Member
Let's go back a bit. Why there is a $20 cheat code named VIP pass in the first place and why are people praising them for a little boost to it's "value" lol?
This industry is in freefall to the black hole of greed.
This industry is in freefall to the black hole of greed.
I almost wonder if they included the two shit things (loot boxes and shitty VIP changes) just so they can go back on one of them (ie. the VIP) and say "look, we do listen!" while completely leaving the loot box system untouched.
Needing extra value etc. could possibly be considered as valid reasoning if they were making a new game from the ground-up but you just know that 80% of the cars are reused assets from FM6/FH3.
Needing extra value etc. could possibly be considered as valid reasoning if they were making a new game from the ground-up but you just know that 80% of the cars are reused assets from FM6/FH3.