TheGreatMightyPoo
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Or the game's ground textures.
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Twilight Princess HD Comparison Thread (Wii U Versus GameCube/Wii/Dolphin)
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Or the game's ground textures.
Spyder_Monkey
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Anybody who thinks this is a lazy effort or it doesn't look as good as on Dolphin is crazy. Like holy shit Tantalus did a really good job cleaning this game up.
wumster3000
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For some reason, this is making me laugh a lot. Oh man this gif is funny.
RomanceDawn
Member
I'm sold again! Looks great! Now it's crystal clear and I can see things! I always wanted to have a 2nd play through of this. Now I will.
BlazeHedgehog
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The problem with Twilight Princess's bloom is the fact that it isn't actually bloom. Not in the traditional sense.
Traditional lightbloom works sort of like this:
You have a base image, which is dumped to the frame buffer
The framebuffer image of the screen is blurred
And then added to the base image
Twilight Princess (and other games of that era) aren't doing that. Instead, they create an exact copy of the screenand make it transparent, like this:
By placing multiple transparent copies of the screen very close together, you "fake" the blur effect. So they create four or eight or however many copies of the screen, grouped tightly together:
On a sufficiently low enough resolution screen with typical CRT fuzziness, the effect is indistinguishable from "real" lightbloom, but for (presumably) less rendering cost. By cranking up the resolution, the space between each copy of the screen becomes more obvious because the effect was never intended to be seen in 720p.
There is no way to "fix" this in Dolphin short of writing a custom hack to implement a blur effect that Twilight Princess is trying to cheat around. Obviously for TPHD, they wrote a more modern implementation.
DecoReturns
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Is the CD still GameStop exclusive?
wow what the hell? that looks fantastic! Hate Link's hair in TP though.
Yes.
Thank you
I think so. I completely forgot about it. I'll call GameStop tomorrow about it. I preordered the game today. I can't wait to play it.
balgajo
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Artwork or the actual model? I like the hairstyle a lot though model hair is pretty ugly.
I really wanted a model update plus shadows. Other than that the game looks great.
This. Xenoblade had the same limitations as far as textures go but still brought out gorgeous locations from scope, impact and wild life. (Granted, it wasn't having to work with indoor rooms so much, and had less locations in general)
TP had unbearably low-poly meshes and my tummy aches that more budget couldn't have been spent to re-do them entirely.
artwork hair is fine, model hair is pretty ugly as you say.
TheMoon
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Yeah, the rest is okay but Wolf Link is...well...
More like reptile Link.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Link should turn into a Komodo Dragon in Zelda Wii U.
TheMoon
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DoLonko
TanookiTom
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I felt really skeptical back when Wind Waker HD was announced with all the bloom and bland looking graphics. In the end I loved the game and all the small (and not so small) improvements.
With this game however... I can't feel but help that it looks horrible. Hope I will get positively surprised once again. But then again Twilight Princess is the Zelda game that I felt the most "meh" about and it left absolutely no lasting impression with me.
I think Nintendo kind of overdid it with all the Zelda releases. When you only had a mainline installment ever other two years or so (on handheld and the home console) it somehow made the series feel more special to me.
Let's hope the WiiU Zelda is going to deliver.
With this game however... I can't feel but help that it looks horrible. Hope I will get positively surprised once again. But then again Twilight Princess is the Zelda game that I felt the most "meh" about and it left absolutely no lasting impression with me.
I think Nintendo kind of overdid it with all the Zelda releases. When you only had a mainline installment ever other two years or so (on handheld and the home console) it somehow made the series feel more special to me.
Let's hope the WiiU Zelda is going to deliver.
The most important screenshot.
Was Malo's picture always back there?
TheMoon
Member
Thanks for the info. I wonder if there's an option to disable bloom, not sure if it would really make it look better though.
Now, these are some good screenshots.
TheMoon
Member
There isn't. There will be zero graphics options.
Ok this explain everything!The problem with Twilight Princess's bloom is the fact that it isn't actually bloom. Not in the traditional sense.
Traditional lightbloom works sort of like this:
You have a base image, which is dumped to the frame buffer
The framebuffer image of the screen is blurred
And then added to the base image
Twilight Princess (and other games of that era) aren't doing that. Instead, they create an exact copy of the screenand make it transparent, like this:
By placing multiple transparent copies of the screen very close together, you "fake" the blur effect. So they create four or eight or however many copies of the screen, grouped tightly together:
On a sufficiently low enough resolution screen with typical CRT fuzziness, the effect is indistinguishable from "real" lightbloom, but for (presumably) less rendering cost. By cranking up the resolution, the space between each copy of the screen becomes more obvious because the effect was never intended to be seen in 720p.
There is no way to "fix" this in Dolphin short of writing a custom hack to implement a blur effect that Twilight Princess is trying to cheat around. Obviously for TPHD, they wrote a more modern implementation.
Bloom to the extent TP used it was too costly for anything close to GC in term of power (I don't know if Wii would be capable enough but I guess you could hack it in maybe like HVS did for the Conduit games).
This pretty much close the debate though, there's nothing Dolphin can do to be closer to render TP the way it was meant to look.
If you can't approximate what TP is doing to look like bloom you're already pretty far from the original product.
NOLA_Gaffer
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The "This is a Lazy Effort" posts become more and more hilarious as more images and videos of TPHD get released.
Solid SOAP
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I thought it was at first too, but the final product is really starting to look great. I think I'll buy this upon release if/when I get my Wii U!
TheMoon
Member
We go through this with almost every single Nintendo game during its pre-release cycle. It might qualify for its own meme at this point.
Nintendo could really use Ubisoft's trailers team.
Nah. I've learned a lot in this thread about image mapping and bloom. If we have to suffer the usual suspects jumping to their usual conclusions, I'll take it if I can keep learning stuff.
higgsboson1997
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Yeah, it's getting a little tiring at this point - how can one fall for the same thing over and over? People should at least wait until closer to release to make judgements on things such as the visuals, which, from what I have heard, are usually the last things that are brushed up.
pinkurocket
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The most important screenshot.
This is a thing of beauty.
spookyfish
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Some of these screenshots are ... wow.
I was actually going to play this again right before they announced this version.
I'm both happy to and can't wait.
I was actually going to play this again right before they announced this version.
I'm both happy to and can't wait.
TheMoon
Member
Nah. I've learned a lot in this thread about image mapping and bloom. If we have to suffer the usual suspects jumping to their usual conclusions, I'll take it if I can keep learning stuff.
Yea, that's the one neat side effect of this kneejerkpalooza.
To be honest, I felt as it was 'lacking' at first due to playing Dolphin at the time rather than it actually being a lazy effort. Seemed to me like they could have gone the extra mile but the more recent shots show a decent approach to many parts needing attention. Still planned to pick it up regardless for the gameplay tweaks and controls and to show support for more Zelda.
I think it's a fair price for the game, it's slightly less compared to the top Nintendo games on Wii U (Xenoblade) but the game has the quality to make up for the price. I can understand that you want a lower pricepoint for a remake especially if you already played the game, but the length of this game and the quality of the dungeons are worth the price. Seems to me that Nintendo doesn't want to devaluate Zelda titles too.
Yeah, it's gotten pretty tiresome.
That being said, Nintendo's PR people seem to cut crappy reveal trailers showing the worst parts of a particular game.
TheMoon
Member
WWHD was the same price and did not come with an amiibo that would also find use in the other Zelda game every Wii U owner is going to be buying this year anyway. Something to consider.
WWHD didn't come with any amiibo b/c they weren't even introduced yet. Amiibo's were introduced in 2014. WWHD came out in 2013.
As for the Wolf Link, I hope they have a good use for it in the new Zelda Wii U game. I only have the adult Link amiibo & I have used that for Hyrule Warriors.
EDIT: Having the limited edition including the wolf link amiibo is a + to me. Back then I bought that Zelda console too. Which also came with a digital copy of WWHD. I still got myself a physical copy which is still unopened.
TheMoon
Member
GC wins on this one, the greyer skin for the shadows is kinda lame here.
I'm sure you can imagine that I am well aware of that.
I would have been happier to get toon link amiibo back then with the WWHD.
TheMoon
Member
That would've been cool, yea.
Or a cool Alph, Brittany, Captain or Rock Pikmin amiibo with Pikmin 3. Or a Wonder Red amiibo with TW101 or a Cat Mario amiibo ... well, at least Lego City Undercover came with a Chase McCain Lego figurine
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