ChosenPredator
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that is why twitch needs competition because without it they can run a muck and not worry about anything
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Twitch vs Speedrun Community Drama (update: Twitch officially responds)
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Bring back Own3d.TV!
Nah, just kidding, they made Twitch look like professional, mature adults that know exactly what they're doing by comparison.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Not safe for life
Gay cat and wolf rubbing dicks together, wolf has a glowing blue dick and glowing blue tongue, cat then shoves his dick inside the wolf's foreskin fucking it while looking into the wolfs eyes posionately, which afterwards the wolf then eats the cat whole while jacking off to completion
Dr. Hoofington
Neo Member
Cyghfer is a well loved and extremely skilled streamer who came out of a short retirement recently and, along with breaking the Mega Man 2 world record, recently got partner and subscriptions. He worked hard on designing the right emotes, hyped them on his stream for a week or so, and when they were finally released people loved them. Because they made use of copyrighted material he received a takedown message from Horror which he published on his Twitter.
Cyghfer responded to the takedown with courtesy and professionalism. He suggested fans who subscribed specifically in order to use his emotes should unsubscribe and let Twitch know they were unsubscribing because of the lost emotes. He seemed to be in good spirits but tweeted that he would not to resubmit emotes because of the ordeal. Though Cyghfer's response was measured, a bunch of his fans and friends pointed out the double standards of Twitch's emote policy. For example, some much larger streamers had emotes with copyrighted material while a much smaller streamer Leo, Horror's boyfriend, had a global emote: NightLight.
The content of NightLight (Leo's furry avatar) was used to sensationalize the inconsistent policies around emoticons in general and Horror's favoritism specifically. When Duke_Bilgewater derisive joked about the issue Horror banned his account. I'm not all together clear on what Werster did, but it began with a tweet asking Twitch to unban Duke and ended with a faceoff when Horror joined Werster's chat. Werster's chat escalated the situation and took up the "REMOVE HORROR" spam (and much worse). Peaches_ followed suit, adding the "REMOVE HORROR" to his stream title and was subsequently (and suddenly) banned for harassment even after taking the title down. Many others have followed, testing the limits of Twitch's ban policy as their mods are basically making up the rules as they go.
Here's Duke's response to the whole matter: http://pastebin.com/tMiRbE3i
And here's the /r/speedrun timeline of all the bans: http://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/1r2f1k/rip_in_peace_werster/cdj10be
FunkyMunkey
Banned
There is absolutely nothing that makes Twitch special other than the sheer amount of people that go to and use the site.
There is no reason that another (better) streaming service can't rise in competition if the higher-ups at Twitch persist in acting this stupid.
Sounds like some censorship is exactly what the place needs honestly if even half of what "el_chupacupcake" said is true.
AlimNassor
Banned
They can't. Reddit's admins and mods are no different from the suits screwing you in Washington. They're against SOPA, they're against everything that infringes upon free speech and privacy, but, only if it goes against what they say or harms them in any way.
Again, pretty sure reddit administrators and subreddit moderators are not the same thing.
Youtube will be even worse. Google's lack of communication and having no way of even contacting their support is worse than the unprofessionalism of the Twitch staff. What we need is another startup, but it seems very unlikely at this point.
Passive Assassin
Member
what .... the ... what ... how ... the fuck internet?
Damn, I had to google stuff to even slightly understand the hell is up.
So do I have to feel bad for using this:
emote / should I abandon it for the future? I thought it looked cute and well it seemed to be a cat, and during streams there some times appear cats, you know ... FrankerZ is always spammed if a dog is barking and so on.
Also yeah, good thing Microsoft and Sony have deals with Twitch, I never thought they were super professional but sure..
So do I have to feel bad for using this:
Also yeah, good thing Microsoft and Sony have deals with Twitch, I never thought they were super professional but sure..
theprodigy
Member
why did you expect anything different
FunkyMunkey
Banned
There's a huge, huge story behind all of that. A primary PC gaming subreddit was shut down because a few members decided to spam r/gaming. It was labeled "starting a war." Afterwards, a couple members were involved in a "witch hunt" against a mod in which cause the witch hunt was actually fabricated by the "victim" and blown way out of proportion.
It'd be like banning GAF when someone decides to research another member and dig up their personal info. But here, we mostly have sensible mods who realize that kind of shit on the internet is unavoidable, and they ban the people responsible instead of enacting a scorched-earth policy and nuking the whole place.
Dr. Hoofington
Neo Member
Again, I think the content associated with the NightLight emote is a bit of a red herring. The furry porn is basically being used to demonize Horror and sensationalize the drama but gets away from the real issues which have to do with the powers of individual Twitch admin and the policies around who gets emotes and what kinds of emotes are allowed.
Just to clarify for those not understanding how subreddit moderators "get away with this"
The rules in question, none of which are being broken.
tl;dr: It's shit, but subreddit mods are allowed to do this. Subreddit moderators are not necessarily representative of reddit as a whole.
From the Reddit Help FAQs said:
The rules in question, none of which are being broken.
tl;dr: It's shit, but subreddit mods are allowed to do this. Subreddit moderators are not necessarily representative of reddit as a whole.
stump sock
Member
Precisely why I nabbed it while I still could
For the record, I think all of this is incredibly stupid, but I start to get defensive when people go after my beloved speedrunners.
theprodigy
Member
check the previous page, I swear every single post quoted it
Garou
Member
Why are Twitch-mods using Nicknames? If they are a respectable company collaborating with Sony and all, shouldn't they be professional enough to use proper names?
And if they used their real names I would guess some of those mods would be a little bit more serious about their job and customers.
And if they used their real names I would guess some of those mods would be a little bit more serious about their job and customers.
Ah alright. Sounds like this is all an issue with moderators being too incompetent to do their jobs at twitch/reddit then.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
The content associated with it is directly related to the bolded part of what you said.
It's like if someone made a twitch emote with a pornstar. It goes against the site's ToS. The site in general is supposed to be "mostly" family friendly, with the exception of channels that have the 18+ warning before viewing them and they have their limits as well. Having something like that SITEWIDE with the fucking code being LightStick is just plain stupid. That's insanely easy to trace back for anyone.
Ah. It's only quoted once, though.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
Amazing, just what I figured. R/gaming has gone to absolute worthless shit and now it appears Twitch will be taking a fat dump on top of the heap.
And there's the rub.
It was almost good for a while ;__;... almost.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
To be honest, I barely look at reddit except when is mentioned on GAF....now I know why. Is like allowing kids create their forums and run them like idiots, because they just can.
I know next to nothing about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't practically everything there a subreddit?
theprodigy
Member
ah never mind, it was somewhere in this thread though xD
Jeez, seriously? I could understand nuking the thread given his comment, which was somewhat reasonable, but then deleting their own comment and banning you at the same time? While I don't approve, I'm beginning to understand the hate that can motivate communities to target individuals/groups/sites, and that's a pretty terrible thing to start feeling any kind of sympathy for.
When was it good?
I know who Cyghfer is. I know what happened and who got banned and who's being censored and all that. I understand the entire situation. However, going from "this person's subscriber emotes were removed for alleged copyright violations" to "this other completely different emote is crass" feels like grasping at straws to make a complaint. (The complaint about more popular streamers having copyrighted emotes carries more water, though.)
Also, I don't think Cyghfer is as torn up about the emotes as you apparently think he is. I'm sure he's disappointed, but I'm sure he realizes that it's not worth declaring war over.
I didn't expect the imbecile to waltz into my thread, give faulty reasoning why he was censoring then delete it all when his argument collapsed. Then shadowban me.
Yep. Every link/discussion you see on reddit's homepage has been posted in a subreddit (which is basically a sub-forum with it's own threads, like GAF's Gaming, Gaming Community, Off-Topic, and Off-Topic Community).
HarryDemeanor
Member
Well this all sounds pretty damn insane.
Hopefully Jared makes it out alive from all this.
Hopefully Jared makes it out alive from all this.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Good lord Twitch.
Adam's so British it's funny. And more mature than pretty much anybody involved with this fiasco.
Ah man. AdamAk is mad chill.
How many other people left?
Isn't the point that one set of emotes was rejected over what was presumably tos violations while another set, also presumably in violation in the tos, was not only allowed but fast tracked and made global simply because of its association with an admin? It doesn't really matter which part of the tos they each violate; the issue is that double standards are being shown.
Exactly!
theprodigy
Member
It centers more on Horror being an admin and approving/taking this stuff away himself. The grounds for what happened to Cyghfer are shoddy at best, then he did his own sweeping emote knowing the source.
His comment wasn't reasonable, there is no excusing collusion and censorship. He responded again right before he deleted every comment he made, I wasn't able to snag a copy of it because I didn't realize it was going to get wiped. Essentially the new comment was "It's too hard, reddit has hurt people, censorship is the only way, blah blah blah"
APZonerunner
Member
Adam's so British it's funny. And more mature than pretty much anybody involved with this fiasco.
So British he's Polish! (I think. He's not in or from the UK, though. He is definitely one of the most mature of the SRL community, though.)
Dr. Hoofington
Neo Member
I agree with you, but I don't think NightLight is as cut and dry as, for example, a Metal Slime emote which would be an obvious copyright infringement. The vore associated with NightLight (as far as I understand) is not the source material for the cartoon face itself, but a personal commission by Horror and Leo long after the character was established (am I getting that right?). I think NightLight is more like (old) BrainSlug in that its connotations changed over time.
Basically, it's more complicated than, let's say, a penis emote because the face itself is not pornographic though it might have a newly associated pornographic context.
Eternal Gamer
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BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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