Assuming you meant "OK"
I missed the post where I said that?
Although again, that is the difference.
I do not think Garner was intentionally killed.
Where as, 2 people were in this case.
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Assuming you meant "OK"
I missed the post where I said that?
Although again, that is the difference.
I do not think Garner was intentionally killed.
Where as, 2 people were in this case.
Yeah, he shot himself.
"Well in my humble non-medically-certified opinion, if you can say 'I can't breathe' then you *can* breathe."
#tcot
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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We've seen unions flip out and demand apologies over political cartoons and t-shirts so it doesn't surprise me one bit they would use an incident this dire as leverage.
Real mature.
If there was ever any doubt that the NYPD unions have too much power, this is it.
Mammoth Jones
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That's that "Stand by us right or wrong!" mentality cops have. It's a big part of the problem because it prevents true introspection.
Big Baybee
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I don't understand the logic behind blaming the mayor for this.....
PhoenixDark
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They need to be crushed, and I don't care who does it. Whether it's the feds or the city. Too bad it won't happen anytime soon.
I support unions but this is ridiculous.
The Teachinator
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Because they don't feel supported by their mayor? Too much power? The starting salary for this job is what? $30k a year. How much does DiBlasio make? He can deal with it. These men and women put their lives on the line for NYC everyday. If this is how they show their discontent more power to them. NYC was a shit hole a short time ago. There's a reason it's not anymore.
Yes, it's ridiculous(and childish), but I sure as shit wouldn't want to be a cop having to put up with shit like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8.
What a bunch of fucking babies. Like the mayor has anything to do with this. Fucking buffoons. All the "support" in the world couldn't have prevented this.
SapientWolf
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Exactly. "Burking can kill a person without the chokehold considered at all." They had no idea what they were doing. But now I'm derailing.
The incidents are being linked because the killer posted on instagram before the murders:
This is horrible stuff and my prayers are with their families but those linking the Garner incident are not that out of line imo.
bob_arctor
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It's fascist logic. Submit or you are to blame.
LifEndz
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As sad as events like this make me, I'm almost even more bummed out by some of the disturbing comments in this thread. 2 families lost sons, husbands, etc today. 2 lives are lost. Put aside whatever preconceived notions you have about minorities or police and think about that.
I live in NYC. I'm African American, and I'm scared. This is not the way to "protest." This is not the way to bring about change.
Prayers to the families, and may God have mercy on those two officers.
I live in NYC. I'm African American, and I'm scared. This is not the way to "protest." This is not the way to bring about change.
Prayers to the families, and may God have mercy on those two officers.
It's just some stupid asshole with a shitty life. He tried to kill his girlfriend. He had nothing going for himself. There is no conversation to be had and no lesson to be learned. This wasn't a mode of protest or a commentary on *anything*. Just some angry goober with access to a gun.
They feel the Mayor is against the cops.
Police are angry at the Mayor for ordering mandatory police retraining after the Eric Garner incident and, in their estimation, not fully having their back after the outrage that followed.
They were furious when he said this:
It's disgusting tribalism behavior from police where they refuse to look internally at what's wrong and anybody who critiques them is the enemy.
They're not at war with the public, just us niggas.
Mammoth Jones
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They're mad because they believe the Mayor threw cops under the bus with his statements regarding Eric Garner and his personal concerns about how his son would fare in a police encounter as a young Black male.
Personally I think it's petty and silly that they'd hold it against him.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
This post nails it.
Doesn't mean he didn't die from a chokehold. ok lets get back on topic.
What kind of power does the mayor have to reform the police? I'm realizing I'm not well versed in local governance structures.
They aren't blaming the mayor for this. They were already upset with the mayor before this incident happened, they felt the mayor's office was working against them or was attacking them in order to appease the public/scapegoating/etc etc.
This was probably not the right venue to pull this kind of shit, though. Two officers died and you turned it into a statement of some sort.
This was probably not the right venue to pull this kind of shit, though. Two officers died and you turned it into a statement of some sort.
Hispanics are included. They know that.
Chie Satonaka
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I think it is safe to assume that this guy was just mentally deranged and that he wasn't actually trying to create change. I mean he shot his ex gf this morning also.
He might have posted about garner it but I think he was just going for infamy before killing himself.
Deblasio selected the police chief.
Big Baybee
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yankeeforever2
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Yeah, they do have a right to be pissed off though, the whole force is being blamed for the actions of a couple of officers. He really help fan the flames for the protest too by his comments after the decision too.
I'm sure he isn't the only one blaming the Mayor:
Rob Nelson ‏@RobNelsonABC7
POLICE UNION PRES. PAT LYNCH: "The mayor's hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words, actions and policies" @ABC7NY
Christopher
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No ones at wars with "us niggas" I work in predominantly minority neighborhood and am proud to serve the people here on a daily basis - so much good done here is never reported, on a daily basis we have such positive and great community relations and then it takes one thing to break it. Don't believe the hype, the best part of putting on a uniform is helping people.
|If cops don;t want the blame they should stop protecting murderers just because they happen to also be cops.
Woah. I wasn't fully aware why they were turning their backs on him and such. The fact that officers are blaming him to the point of saying there's "blood in his hands" when he said something so fair and reasonable as "The way we go about policing has to change." is truly scary and says a LOT about where these officers are actually coming from. They're afraid of losing their immunity within the justice system and having to actually face consequences for their actions.
Big Baybee
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Fan the flames? By acknowledging the officer was wrong?
I mean he can have pretty wide ranging impact. He appoints the police commissioner, for example, who literally serves the Mayor. So if the Mayor asserts pressure on the commissioner to get something done, it's usually considered all but a command. There is often internal conflict between the Commissioner and the Chief of the Department, since Officers usually view the Chief as "one of them" since he had to rise through the ranks to get that position. And it follows they view the Commissioner as the "outsider" who is trying to rain on their carefully understood internal politics.
That said, if the Mayor says "you need to enforce retraining" that will be done because Commissioner handles all day-to-day operations of the Police Force.
Dude Abides
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Contract negotiations broke down and are heading to arbitration. The police want more money and easier work rules. That's behind a lot of Lynch's stunts.
I live in the neighborhood where these cops were murdered. Most of us here see the police as a whole as an entity that creates more problems than they solve.
Mammoth Jones
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This. It'd be so much better if they didn't protect fuck ups.
yankeeforever2
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That is true, I don't think anyone is arguing that.
Angelus Errare
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Yea must suck to be judged by the actions of a few.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The whole force is being blamed because the force doesn't do enough to hold the officers that do wrong accountable, the whole institution is fucked and the mayor was entirely justified in calling them out.
I'm curious, what's the overall feeling in NYC over these events? Everyone I've heard from has said that a whole lot of folks aren't exactly torn up over this.
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