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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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Miles Quaritch

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Embarrassing, but at the same time I can't wait to see how hard Brexiteers try to rationalise why their new god king Davis is bending the knee to Brussels.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Paul Mason apparently told the Progress conference yesterday to go form their own party.

They should do! My party would love to have some centrist buddies to
immediately propose Alliance Mk2 with
work closely with.
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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Huw_Dawson said:
Paul Mason apparently told the Progress conference yesterday to go form their own party.

They should do! My party would love to have some centrist buddies to
immediately propose Alliance Mk2 with
work closely with.
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He's a complete fucking twat, is Paul Mason. Went entirely off the deep end. The progress lot will not be going anywhere.
 
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TomWaitsForNoMan

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Huw_Dawson said:
Paul Mason apparently told the Progress conference yesterday to go form their own party.

They should do! My party would love to have some centrist buddies to
immediately propose Alliance Mk2 with
work closely with.
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Actually what he said was that they're welcome to stay, but if they want a pro-war, pro-privatisation party they should probably look elsewhere.

Their reaction was hilarious

EDIT: I mean, Mason is a pro-nuke, anti-immigrant piece of shit, but the rise he gets out of people is tremendous

Billy_Pilgrim said:
He's a complete fucking twat, is Paul Mason. Went entirely off the deep end. The progress lot will not be going anywhere.
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Probably not, but I hope they're made to feel as miserable as possible while they stay
 
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JonnyDBrit

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Xando said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...pean-court-of-justice-influence-a7807076.html

Don't call it ECJ though
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This is turning into a fucking Futurama skit.

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Huw_Dawson

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I actually got up to watch Peston this morning. Last one until after the summer. The final interview was between an old-school pro-EU Conservative peer who was talking about how unusual and chaotic the current situation is.
 
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EmiPrime

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Speaking of David Davis:

Only that woman from the DUP can save us from Brexit now

David Davis, the Mayonnaise Ewok, who once so bravely lunged at Diane Abbott in the House of Commons bar and heroically pushed his squashed face into Leanne Wood’s personal space on Question Time, melts before the Eurocrats like the frozen Alaskan pipeline that he is, wilting at the negotiators’ pesky figures and facts.

Twelve years ago, the Mayonnaise Ewok paraded his Tory leadership ambition with the support of a brace of young women, wearing tight T-shirts with the words “It’s DD for me” emblazoned across their breasts. I am no expert in brassiere sizing, despite many years of patient study, but I have scrutinised the pictures of Davis’s T-shirted females at length on the internet, and some of them appear to have been exaggerating their qualifications. Is there no end to the Mayonnaise Ewok’s lies?
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Mayonnaise Ewok!
 
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jelly

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Huw_Dawson said:
I actually got up to watch Peston this morning. Last one until after the summer. The final interview was between an old-school pro-EU Conservative peer who was talking about how unusual and chaotic the current situation is.
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Caught a bit of that. He was pretty good. Lord something or other. He has his head screwed on.
 
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Lego Boss

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I have just told my wife l'm going to stick a fiver on UK staying in EU.

She's Polish and infinitely more sceptical than me, but l'm in for a fiver on this.

Everyone is reversing quicker than a German carmaker failing emissions tests.
 
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jelly

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Xando said:
https://twitter.com/BBC_Joe_Lynam/status/878895499138420737


I do wonder how this is still a official UK position after car makers and the chamber of commerce said it's not true
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Don't people take the piss out of the car thing because we depend on exports to the EU and their market to the UK isn't that big so again, we have zero leverage, if they say no, UK manufacturing is doomed and they get a little knock but ultimately bigger markets elsewhere so not a big deal.
 
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EmiPrime

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jelly said:
Don't people take the piss out of the car thing because we depend on exports to the EU and their market to the UK isn't that big so again, we have zero leverage, if they say no, UK manufacturing is doomed and they get a little knock but ultimately bigger markets elsewhere so not a big deal.
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German business leaders urge Tories to rethink plan to leave single market
Head of employers' federation says integrity of single market more important than making good business with Britain

German industrialists have warned that British hopes of their support in Brexit negotiations are misplaced and could backfire with dangerous consequences for international trade.

Business leaders in Europe's biggest economy are instead calling on Conservatives to rethink their commitment to leaving the single market, even though the party has doubled down on this promise in its election manifesto.

David Davis and Boris Johnson have repeatedly cited likely pressure from German exporters, such as carmakers, as a reason for thinking they can persuade European negotiators to maintain free trade access after Britain leaves.

But the theory is increasingly rejected by those whose support they need most – scepticism relayed most forcefully by Steffen Kampeter, the chief executive of the German employers' federation, on a trip to the UK this week.

”The top priority of European business is the integrity of the single market; the second priority is making good business with the UK. We will see if there is a conflict, but the message is: do not harm the single market by cherry-picking deals," he told a conference of British business leaders in London this week.

”It's not the German carmakers that are directing the negotiations," added Kampeter, who said he knew of no one who thought a trade deal within 18 months was possible and called for ”rhetorical disarmament on all sides".
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avaya

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jelly said:
Don't people take the piss out of the car thing because we depend on exports to the EU and their market to the UK isn't that big so again, we have zero leverage, if they say no, UK manufacturing is doomed and they get a little knock but ultimately bigger markets elsewhere so not a big deal.
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Yes. They only make them here to ship them into the EU.

Moreover the people buying German cars are unlikely to stop buying German cars because a Mercedes is suddenly 10-15% more expensive. That's assuming only European cars will be more expensive.

In reality the vast majority of car makes will be 10-15% more expensive because the Japanese or American cars you would buy would be shipped in from the EU, at least in near-term and pre any trade deal.

UK has no leverage whatsoever.
 
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CCS

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Yeah, the stats I saw are that we import about 85% of the cars sold in this country, and export about 80% of those made. UK car industry be fucked with a hard Brexit, Germans will be fine.
 
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Crispy75

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JonathanEx said:
Haha. Turns out that was close, the angle seems to be "Glastonbury costs money to go to, that's not very socialist!!! Middle class people can't be socialists!" Fucking centrist columnists with their boring pointless whataboutery.
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90% of the people I know who are at Glastonbury can't afford to go. They all volunteer as stewards, litter pickers, bar staff, safety officers etc. There is absolutely no reason why you can't go on a very limited budget.
 
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Tommy DJ

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I dunno, $12 AUD seems like a relatively reasonable price for a beer at a public event. Same with the concert ticket price. Are poor people not meant to drink beer or visit public events over $20?

Seriously though, I've seen that dumbass thought process so often and I just don't get why anyone thinks its at all logical. I remember Louise Mensch making the same sort of dumbass argument towards to Occupy Wall Street protesters and she was rightly ridiculed for it.

War Peaceman said:
Wasn't that Louise Mensch's boring argument on Have I Got News For You way back when?
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Yes, that's where I remember hearing it from. When I heard it, I was goddamn confused because nothing about it made any sense.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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What Corbyn's Glastonbury appearance does show, at least to me, is who his "core" voters are - the ones most enthused with the Corbyn project, as it were.

I don't generally associate Corbynism with folks putting cars or ships together - it's young people in the big cities. That's not to say that Labour's vote is not also out there in those traditional Labour areas, though.

But it is a bit silly to say "Glastonbury's so middle class!". It's not so expensive that someone working at Tesco couldn't go if they wanted to.
 
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pswii60

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Huw_Dawson said:
What Corbyn's Glastonbury appearance does show, at least to me, is who his "core" voters are - the ones most enthused with the Corbyn project, as it were.

I don't generally associate Corbynism with folks putting cars or ships together - it's young people in the big cities. That's not to say that Labour's vote is not also out there in those traditional Labour areas, though.

But it is a bit silly to say "Glastonbury's so middle class!". It's not so expensive that someone working at Tesco couldn't go if they wanted to.
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Glastonbury is full of the most irritating kind of people on the planet. Apart from Corbyn, I quite like him.

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RetroDLC

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Drinks are sold for more at festivals because of the added cost in transport and refrigeration to be served cold on the spot. Still stupid though, but not Corbyn target worthy.
 
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gun_haver

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RetroDLC said:
Drinks are sold for more at festivals because of the added cost in transport and refrigeration to be served cold on the spot. Still stupid though, but not Corbyn target worthy.
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i think it's more because they can jack it the price because there is nobody to undercut them and nobody is going to leave. it's like an airport.
 
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RetroDLC

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gun_haver said:
i think it's more because they can jack it the price because there is nobody to undercut them and nobody is going to leave. it's like an airport.
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Each festival sets a price for all food and drink items that all vendors must abide with. It covers the cost in fresh pint pulling facilities, but for everything else, yeah, it's a jack that borders on the obscene.
 
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Wvrs

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RetroDLC said:
Drinks are sold for more at festivals because of the added cost in transport and refrigeration to be served cold on the spot. Still stupid though, but not Corbyn target worthy.
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It's just supply and demand: everyone wants a drink, supply is limited, therefore the product has high value in that market and can be sold at greater cost.
 
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Coriolanus

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RedSparrows said:
By this logic, of course, only hermits can give a legitimate shit about anyone.
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nah, im sure theyd dismiss hermits too since who cares about the crazy hobo living in the woods and making pottery outta his own poop? Is probably an immigrant too.

Wolvers said:
It's just supply and demand: everyone wants a drink, supply is limited, therefore the product has high value in that market and can be sold at greater cost.
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is a local mono/oligopoly usually. Cant quite leave the premisses to buy it somewhere else and come back or bring your own, after all.
 
Spuck-uk

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Wolvers said:
It's just supply and demand: everyone wants a drink, supply is limited, therefore the product has high value in that market and can be sold at greater cost.
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You can bring as much booze as you want to into Glastonbury, as long as it's not in glass.

Pro tip.
 
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King_Moc

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Miles Quaritch said:
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Heh...
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A pint is between £4 and £4.80 depending on the bar. Also, it's the only festival I know of that let's you take your own drinks down the the front if a stage.

RedShift said:
For anyone entertaining the idea that this isn't a moronic thing for them to tweet, Glastonbury isnt run for profit and lots of the revenue from the festival goes towards supporting charities like oxfam and water aid.
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Also, this. Though there is some profit, obviously, but the amount that goes back into the festival and charity means the amount they retain pales in comparison to their competitors.
 
Theonik

Theonik

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theaface said:
To each their own and all that, but I'll be damned if I know what 41% of the electorate think they're voting for exactly.
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Strong and Stable etc etc
There is probably some people still kicking around that think that if we vote for May to be stronger she'll turn this around or something.
 
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jelly

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I'm waiting for the inevitable "If May got a majority, Brexit wouldn't be going so bad, we would have been the greatest country on earth again!" excuse.
 
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