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[travisbickle]

This is such a mess. I know it's very easy to dismiss blanket statements like "Tory scum hate the poor and disabled" as just tribal and simplistic politics, but this fiasco does highlight that the Conservative party's blind devotion to the free market and trickle down economics mean that they will often make the vulnerable shoulder the economic burden for the rich.

It's a travesty that they're so well funded and how significantly right wing our press are, because this may not even be remembered by the time the elections happen.

Ian Duncan Smith is "red-top" right wing. His beliefs are all based on the current system making people satisfied with benefits and losing the discipline to work, real Daily Mail style. Him quiting is basically showing that Osborne is punishing people rather than empowering like IDS believes.

 

[Acorn]

It won't be remembered four years from now, but the Tory leadership race has to take place before then...

Fucking John Major won an election whilst the party was in crazy turmoil. They'll win and keep winning.

Labour need to get back into inroads Blair got in England and have Wales and Scotland for a whiff of a chance.

Scotland and Wales are no longer guaranteed labour. Getting everyone they need to vote for them is impossible. How you gonna get the right wing shires and left wingers onside at the same time?

 

[Jezbollah]

It won't be remembered four years from now, but the Tory leadership race has to take place before then...

Oh yes. That has far bigger long term implications within this parliament.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Loving this pic at the top of the BBC's article:

 

[Acorn]

Loving this pic at the top of the BBC's article:

Was the photo the guardian used for the live blog last night too lol.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I love how Cameron's letter is basically "You were fucking in on it! Don't get all sanctimonious now."

 

[Jezbollah]

I love how Cameron's letter is basically "You were fucking in on it! Don't get all sanctimonious now."

Yep I think there's a distinct undertone of Cameron insinuating that this is more to do with IDS' Brexit campaign.

 

[Tak3n]

Ok, we all know IDS is a politician first right?

he is playing politics, you can safely ignore his reasons, he is banking on two things and is playing a game

Firstly UK vote out for the EU, Cameron will resign, Boris Johnson wins leadership, IDS gets prominent position.

Secondly UK Vote in for the EU, he stays put for 2 more years until Cameron resigns (as he has allready confirmed he is going) Boris Johnson wins leadership, IDS gets prominent position, dont be surprised if a talk with B,Johnson has not allready took place

Dont fall fro anything else, this guy is more ruthless than all of them put together.... I have met him BTW, or should I say I say I was allowed to within 20 feet away.... it was on Question Time and before the cameras rolled all the other politicians were freely talking with the audience, we were then told to sit as IDS was to be bought in separately right before the cameras were turned on (just incase anyone challenged him on his policies) when the cameras stopped we were ordered to stay sitting until he had been escorted of the set!

all the other politicians again came into the audience to talk etc, not him.... he is completely kept away from jo public

 

[PJV3]

I love how Cameron's letter is basically "You were fucking in on it! Don't get all sanctimonious now."

Collective responsibility, if you're in the cabinet you agree til you leave.
It's a silly thing for a PM to use against a minister even if Smith is full of shit.

 

[Zelias]

Good riddance.

 

[tomtom94]

Stephen Crabb takes over Work and Pensions, Alun Cairns takes over Secretary for Wales.

Potential line of attack on the fact that both of them support the EU, which doesn't help Cameron's case for party unity.

 

[Tak3n]

also being mentioned that many Ministers feel this is a move to hopefully stop Osbourne becoming the next PM, by shaming the 'all in it together' mantra

 

[CharmingCharlie]

From what I hear he grew up on a council estate in a single parent household that existed on benefits ......... Dear god the welfare system is screwed now. I can't even begin to fathom the mental gymnastics this guy must do to fit in with the Tories.

 

[PJV3]

From what I hear he grew up on a council estate in a single parent household that existed on benefits ......... Dear god the welfare system is screwed now. I can't even begin to fathom the mental gymnastics this guy must do to fit in with the Tories.

He comes from the religious right, links with CARE who have problems with gay people's lifestyle etc. The mental gymnastics can easily be explained with people like that.

 

[Lego Boss]

also being mentioned that many Ministers feel this is a move to hopefully stop Osbourne becoming the next PM, by shaming the 'all in it together' mantra

Could be worse then.

I can't imagine that snake-oil salesman as PM, at least Cameron has a bit of charm.

Osbourne is detested, even by his own party!!!

 

[Empty]

iain duncan smith on marr

IDS says there's a danger that it looks like Tory leadership is cutting benefits of low-income workers because they "don't vote for us...."

IDS says welfare cuts when middle class tax is being cut is "deeply unfair and was seen to be unfair"

IDS on own gov: "I think it is in danger of drifting in a direction that divides society rather than unites it and that I think is unfair."

Would Osborne make a good PM? IDS: sorry what was that... If he was selected, I would hope he would.

 

[JonCha]

He was continually banging the drum about inequality and the choices the government has made to tackle to deficit. I think he event went as far as they saying they, maybe, should look at the protection pensioners have on their benefits.

He was undoubtedly passionate about his 'mission', and I believe him, and I think those who are saying that he looks hypocritical are probably right overall, but that doesn't negate the political machinery behind the scenes and the compromises that have to be met, as he said.

 

[tomtom94]

Mr Duncan Smith stresses that he cares about the UK and people who live here, saying he had "no political ambition".

How the fuck do you satirise this shit

 

[travisbickle]

He was continually banging the drum about inequality and the choices the government has made to tackle to deficit. I think he event went as far as they saying they, maybe, should look at the protection pensioners have on their benefits.

He was undoubtedly passionate about his 'mission', and I believe him, and I think those who are saying that he looks hypocritical are probably right overall, but that doesn't negate the political machinery behind the scenes and the compromises that have to be met, as he said.

He is passionate and believes in what he does, but I'm sure there was an article in which one of his old school teachers thought he was a sociopath?

 

[Chittagong]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

 

[It's Reyn Time!]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

IDS fucked over disabled people on a scale that is pretty unimaginable to anybody who hasn't experienced it first hand. He is an evil, irredeemable fucking cretin and nothing short of setting himself on fire in public would even come close to showing he regrets the shit he's done.

 

[twobear]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

if you look at the timing and his track record, though, it makes it a little difficult to believe the straight-up story that this is precisely the moment that he decided to grow a conscience.

 

[travisbickle]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

The Tories might want to provide some proof of this considering they've been in power for years.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Wait, was it just one of them who quit, or was it both Iain and Duncan?

 

[hohoXD123]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

It's also funny people believe the guy considering his history with shafting the most vulnerable in society and considering the fact that a fellow brexit Tory MP called him out on his bs.

 

[Exterminieren]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

I don't deny that there are Tories that have strong moral principles and who care for the poorer and disadvantaged in society, although I do think there's a little cognitive dissonance in how they can support the party as it is today.

I flatly deny that Iain Duncan Smith, who has perhaps done more to hurt and disadvantage these people than anyone else currently in government, is one of them.

 

[Wrestlemania]

It's funny to see the reactions when a tory is not simply saying the right thing, but putting his money where his mouth is - "ha! Told you, this proves he is a manipulative cunt!"

It might be hard for hardcore labour supporters to believe, but there are many tory supporters who care for the weak, don't want a divided society, who vote for tories because they are better for UK competitiveness and stronger economy which will benefit everyone.

Yes, let's ignore everything he has done for the last six years and only look only at his resignation letter as a judge of his character. Great idea!

 

[PJV3]

Yes, let's ignore everything he has done for the last six years and only look only at his resignation letter as a judge of his character. Great idea!

If we give Smith the benefit of doubt, then it is far more satisfying and useful as an attack on the government.

Osborne and Cameron are desperate to turn it into a story about the EU.

 

[samn]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...resignation-masterstroke-sadly-hes-not-clever

Think Iain Duncan Smith's resignation is a masterstroke? Sadly, he's not that clever

...

This is the man who as leader of the Conservative party mistook a spoof poster - "It rains less under a Conservative government" - for the real thing, happily posing underneath it. This is the man who Osborne described as "not clever enough" after watching him present on his welfare reforms in the last government. This is the man who, despite having been the longest-serving Secretary of State at the Department for Welfare and Pensions, leaves it having implemented nothing and done nothing.

It is certainly true that this is a man who has been waiting for an excuse to walk out of the government since the Autumn Statement in November 2015, when Osborne moved the tax credit cuts into the universal credit rollout - a sign that, as far as the Treasury was concerned, the universal credit will never happen. As civil servants in the DWP have observed, Duncan Smith has been a broken figure since that setback, one that would have been obvious if he had had any grip on his department.

Resigning as part of a plan? As exciting as that would be, Iain Duncan Smith simply isn't good enough for that.

 

[War Peaceman]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...resignation-masterstroke-sadly-hes-not-clever

This was linked before. It is absolutely hysterical.

IDS is only interested in one thing: himself. This is all about getting out before Universal Credit publicly explodes whilst trying to make himself look honourable. Unfortunately because he is a cretin, he bungled the timing.

He has a long history of dishonesty and incompetence. This story is a continuation of that.

 

[Empty]

ids was not a good minister but if only every piece of overt political maneuvering and personal revenge also managed to forensically demolish the underlying unfairness of the government welfare policies and nakedly political spending decisions, and have that dominate the news agenda

it's a far more potent attack on the government's agenda than anything labour have made since 2010

 

[Uzzy]

Well, to be fair, Labour pointing out that the Tories can easily attack the working poor because they'll never vote Tory would just be dismissed as playing to the base or leftist whining. IDS saying it is far more explosive.

 

[Jackpot]

Mr Duncan Smith stresses that he cares about the UK and people who live here, saying he had "no political ambition".

Says the former leader of a political party.

 

[JonathanEx]

Says the former leader of a political party.

Well with how well that went, surviving in his job is a high political ambition

 

[Beefy]

How shocked would people be if IDS is actually saying how he feels?

 

[Bartholomuse]

labour NEEDS to seize this moment

Look, Corbyn, if you had, one shot, or one opportunity

To seize everything you ever wanted. In one moment

Would you capture it, or just let it slip?

Yo...Mom's Spaghetti!

 

[pulsemyne]

How shocked would people be if IDS is actually saying how he feels?

That implies the turd has any feelings at all.

 

[Beefy]

That implies the turd has any feelings at all.

True. If he has suddenly grown a heart it would be craziest thing since Leicester having a chance to win the Prem....

 

[Kathian]

I suspect he's talking honestly. Fits his political career and his actions in the role.

That doesn't mean I agree or think his actions were morally good but its clear to anyone we're now left cutting at the bone of benefits when pensions are the main issue.

Treble lock needs to go and those who cand afford it should not get as much. Pensioners will go for it of were talking about funding the other services they rely on.

 

[Jackpot]

A lot of papers are breathlessly covering the "Tory Civil War" but there doesn't seem to be any returning salvos in response to IDS's resignation beyond the expected statements. You need both sides exchanging fire and atm it's just one guy.

 

[Beefy]

He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to see ATOS//

but they keep on forgetting what they wrote down, they push him round, he walks 10 metres of ground// awarded no points, seen fit for work it's over BLAOW//

I am here all day...

According to a guy I have chatted to. Atos not assesing people properly is just mistakes.

 

[mclem]

What's a Torry?

Metaphorically, it's a large vessel carrying some of the slipperiest entities known to man, and in the event it runs aground causes vast swathes of environmental and social destruction.

Crudely speaking