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[Kareha]

Our country is falling apart and all people can complain about is animal products in our new fiver /facepalm

 

[Pinkuss]

Again were did I say people couldn't care about more then one thing? All I have been saying is I don't see this as a big thing compared to others things, that is my opinion. As are all my posts my opinion.

And it isn't; it's fine for people to take a stance on it though (for the record I've also signed a few petitions and discussed the privacy law things a fair bit more).

Our country is falling apart and all people can complain about is animal products in our new fiver /facepalm

No one said the word ALL apart from a bunch of people here. That's silly logic.

I've taken a far harder stance against privacy and the racist rhetoric we're seeting lately.

 

[Inferno313]

Many of them make sure to let you know at every opportunity that they are vegan. Very similar to the Crossfit and Gluten Free crowd (particularly those that don't actually have a medical reason for doing so) crowd in that they lord it over you and act snobbish about the whole thing. A lot of us are tired of hearing about it and react accordingly when they get up in arms about something trivial.

Veganism has very little to do with your other two examples. One is a fitness technique. The other is just a diet. Veganism is also a diet, yes, but it's also a larger political and ethical movement designed to protest the established methods for production of food and other products.

It's absolute not trivial, when beef production is one of the leading causes of climate change.

 

[MattKeil]

Ah. My bad. I thought it was all one entity.

UK seems like one of the nicest places to visit, but the powers that be don't make it appealing with stuff like this.
I just don't see the purpose? Killing to make bill prints cheaper? It can't be that much cheaper even if it is..

Sorry if I offended UKgaf. Love you guys.

Nothing is getting killed to make banknotes. They're using byproducts of animals slaughtered for other primary purposes. It's less going to waste.

 

[Sarcastic Poster]

I know people who still use old Nokia phones because they say they only want a phone to call people and be called. Believe it or not, there are people who don't like to be connected 24/7, so yes, it's possible.

Also, you can buy clothes sewn with eco-friendly materials in specialised stores, but they're usually expensive. That is the main problem of a vegan: prices.

Conclusion. Being vegan is not difficult, it's just expensive.

I'm a meat eater, but I'm assuming they can make it back partly saving money buying produce (which is always absurdly cheap) over more expensive animal products.

 

[shiyrley]

This makes me happy. Suck it vegans!

that's a nice way to delete your GAF account

 

[Breakage]

It's a lot easier to not eat a cheeseburger than not use a smartphone or not wear clothes. Try again.

Yes, because vegans are only concerned with people eating meat or eating dairy - if only. Vegans are obsessed with living a life with no animal suffering yet they'll happily turn a blind eye to human suffering because they like their modern conveniences. You don't need a smartphone to live. Make your own clothes or source clothes from ethical manufacturers.

If vegans can become so obsessive that they'll avoid any products where an animal may have suffered then why doesn't this obsessiveness extend to human suffering?
These kind of people will chastise someone for using non-food products with animal components when such products may be the only ones that they can afford. And yet we can't criticise a vegan for using an iPhone or wearing Nike trainers because the alternatives are less convenient? Give me a break.

In the vegan's world everyone's should be as enlightened and rich as them. To be otherwise is to wrong and unethical. That's the kind of binary world-view I've encountered and I think that's what gives the vegan movement it's cult-like appearance.
If it was just about not eating meat or dairy, I doubt vegans would get the stick that they do. But it never is. Vegans (in the Western world at least) are essentially pontificating,middle-class animal rights activists.
You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

 

[Sarcastic Poster]

Yes, because vegans are only concerned with people eating meat or eating dairy - if only. Vegans are obsessed with living a life with no animal suffering yet they'll happily turn a blind eye to human suffering because they like their modern conveniences. You don't need a smartphone to live. Make your own clothes or source clothes from ethical manufacturers.

If vegans can become so obsessive that they'll avoid any products where an animal may have suffered then why doesn't this obsessiveness extend to human suffering?
These kind of people will chastise someone for using non-food products with animal components when such products may be the only ones that they can afford. And yet we can't criticise a vegan for using an iPhone or wearing Nike trainers because the alternatives are less convenient? Give me a break.

In the vegan's world everyone's should be as enlightened and rich as them. To be otherwise is to wrong and unethical. That's the kind of binary world-view I've encountered and I think that's what gives the vegan movement it's cult-like appearance.
If it was just about not eating meat or dairy, I doubt vegans would get the stick that they do. But it never is. Vegans (in the Western world at least) are essentially pontificating,middle-class animal rights activists.
You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

Vegans don't understand because they've never seen denominations of money that low.

Spoiler

joke

 

[Circinus]

Yes, because vegans are only concerned with people eating meat or eating dairy - if only. Vegans are obsessed with living a life with no animal suffering yet they'll happily turn a blind eye to human suffering because they like their modern conveniences. You don't need a smartphone to live. Make your own clothes or source clothes from ethical manufacturers.

If vegans can become so obsessive that they'll avoid any products where an animal may have suffered then why doesn't this obsessiveness extend to human suffering?
These kind of people will chastise someone for using non-food products with animal components when such products may be the only ones that they can afford. And yet we can't criticise a vegan for using an iPhone or wearing Nike trainers because it's less convenient? Give me a break.

In the vegan's world everyone's should be as enlightened and rich as them. To be otherwise is to wrong and unethical. That's the kind of binary world-view I've encountered and I think that's what gives the vegan movement it's cult-like appearance.
If it was just about not eating meat or dairy, I doubt vegans would get the stick that they do. But it never is. Vegans (in the Western world at least) are essentially pontificating,middle-class animal rights activists.
You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

Just a question, how do you know that your assessment of vegans their behaviour is representative of all vegans?

Another question, when is someone a vegan exactly?

 

[Beefy]

And it isn't; it's fine for people to take a stance on it though (for the record I've also signed a few petitions and discussed the privacy law things a fair bit more).

I didn't argue people couldn't not like it or sign petitions. I just said I have nothing against it, so disagree with it being a tip of a iceberg etc.

 

[Inferno313]

Yes, because vegans are only concerned with people eating meat or eating dairy - if only. Vegans are obsessed with living a life with no animal suffering yet they'll happily turn a blind eye to human suffering because they like their modern conveniences. You don't need a smartphone to live. Make your own clothes or source clothes from ethical manufacturers.

If vegans can become so obsessive that they'll avoid any products where an animal may have suffered then why doesn't this obsessiveness extend to human suffering?
These kind of people will chastise someone for using non-food products with animal components when such products may be the only ones that they can afford. And yet we can't criticise a vegan for using an iPhone or wearing Nike trainers because the alternatives are less convenient? Give me a break.

In the vegan's world everyone's should be as enlightened and rich as them. To be otherwise is to wrong and unethical. That's the kind of binary world-view I've encountered and I think that's what gives the vegan movement it's cult-like appearance.
If it was just about not eating meat or dairy, I doubt vegans would get the stick that they do. But it never is. Vegans (in the Western world at least) are essentially pontificating,middle-class animal rights activists.
You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

Nice anecdote.

I'm vegan, and I just barely make it into the lower-middle class of America going by income.

 

[Mawnster]

I'm a meat eater, but I'm assuming they can make it back partly saving money buying produce (which is always absurdly cheap) over more expensive animal products.

Eh, yes and no. I have a vegan friend that spends a lot of money buying products that imitate meat or cheese. And these things are expensive as hell. She will try to make these intricate meals with weird ingredients to compensate for the lack of basic products. I think she'd save a lot more if she'd cook basic stuff, but then again I don't know if she'd need vitamins and how much they'd cost.

/shrug

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

As I said on Twitter this is getting covered pretty big. Yet the IP bill getting royal assent is no where....

It's almost like the government controls the media and wants you to focus on something else.

 

[PAULINK]

Currency sure is delcious.

 

[Mawnster]

Currency sure is delcious.

 

[Inferno313]

Currency sure is delcious.

Veganism isn't just a diet.

 

[Beer Monkey]

You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

I know one local vegan that has always lived (just) below the poverty line here in America. Has an Obamaphone, for example. Works but pays about zero taxes (which is fine with me, I'm all for social programs).

She shames me constantly over products I buy that she says are bad for our carbon footprint.

But get this. She just had a BABY. And still shames me.

The best thing we can do for our planet as far as climate goes is commit suicide. The second best thing is not having children.

 

[cyberheater]

Our country is falling apart and all people can complain about is animal products in our new fiver /facepalm

But why is it even there. It's a plastic note. There is zero reason for animal products to form a part of it. It's super stupid and someone at the start of the materials sourcing program should have realised and sorted it out.

 

[John Kowalski]

Our country is falling apart and all people can complain about is animal products in our new fiver /facepalm

To some this is a symbol of lack of concern over animal rights, which is rightly a thing to be concerned about.

I don't know what happens in threads like this but it's like people suddenly forget that all kinds of people worry about all kinds of things and that's it's completely fine for them to do so, a strong community is capable of addressing numerous concerns simultaneously and that happens because it gives its citizens the tools to engage in as vast a multiplicity of issues as they see fit.

What's less important now? Are the rights of sex workers not important? Are the rights of the homeless not important? How about the mental health of nurses? Deforestation? Disinvestment in renewable energies? Use of materials of grey ethics in unnecessary and ultimately superfluous ways? What about fishing quotas? What about marketing ethics? What about art concerns? What about medical students investigating Alzheimer's, or supersolid materials, or why water turns solid in nanotubes even at superhigh temperatures? What about kids being left behind in school? Teachers not being rightfully recompensed for their work? Tell me, which of these matters less? Which of these are things people should not be worrying about?

 

[Mawnster]

She shames me constantly over products I buy that she says are bad for our carbon footprint.

But get this. She just had a BABY. And still shames me.

The best thing we can do for our planet as far as climate goes is commit suicide. The second best thing is not having children.

You've watched Utopia. You can't fool me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEeh-Hse38A

 

[Breakage]

Just a question, how do you know that your assessment of vegans their behaviour is representative of all vegans?

Another question, when is someone a vegan exactly?

I'd go as far to say that veganism is exclusively a middle-class thing in London at least. You just have look at the prices for vegan alternatives to realise that. A poor person is not going to pay £2 for a vegan-friendly chocolate bar when they can buy a Crunchie bar for 65p. I myself have never met a poor vegan.

The ones I have come across thru friends have all been white and middle-class. They've got the money to pay for the alternatives which extend beyond food and drink. I'm talking about shampoos, cosmetics, and fashion goods. All that shit is much more expensive than non-vegan-friendly alternatives.

Vegans live such a relaxed lifestyle that they have the time to become obsessed with ethics and animal suffering. They have the money to pay for alternatives. While everyone's worrying about Brexit and this new surveillance bill, vegans have the time to kick off about the new £5 because it offends their "ethics". It just shows how far removed they are from normal people. They live in the a bubble of privilege.

Nice anecdote.

I'm vegan, and I just barely make it into the lower-middle class of America going by income.

Perhaps it is different in the US, but in London veganism something that is popular with the middle-class.

 

[Owari]

Yes, because vegans are only concerned with people eating meat or eating dairy - if only. Vegans are obsessed with living a life with no animal suffering yet they'll happily turn a blind eye to human suffering because they like their modern conveniences. You don't need a smartphone to live. Make your own clothes or source clothes from ethical manufacturers.

If vegans can become so obsessive that they'll avoid any products where an animal may have suffered then why doesn't this obsessiveness extend to human suffering?
These kind of people will chastise someone for using non-food products with animal components when such products may be the only ones that they can afford. And yet we can't criticise a vegan for using an iPhone or wearing Nike trainers because the alternatives are less convenient? Give me a break.

In the vegan's world everyone's should be as enlightened and rich as them. To be otherwise is to wrong and unethical. That's the kind of binary world-view I've encountered and I think that's what gives the vegan movement it's cult-like appearance.
If it was just about not eating meat or dairy, I doubt vegans would get the stick that they do. But it never is. Vegans (in the Western world at least) are essentially pontificating,middle-class animal rights activists.
You never see economically poor vegans. This £5 complaint shows how much time they have on their hands.

As a 6 year vegan I completely and totally agree with your post. Vegans who treat veganism as a binary thing are cult-like and I believe they ultimately hurt the movement more than help it. Personally I don't eat or use animal products, but I'm not going to let that stop me from eating pop tarts or Oreos which to militant vegans are not vegan so a ton of vegans will totally say I'm not vegan because I ate that. These same vegans will turn around and buy iPhones, nikes etc and they honestly are intolerable to be around or communicate with.

I'm my experience it's the people who have been vegan for a year or two that are the most smug about it. Usually these people end up not being vegan at all a few years later too, I've seen it happen so many times. 5+ year vegans are usually more chill about it for some reason. Maybe because it's more than just a fad diet to us, as if you're doing it that long you started long before the movement went mainstream.

I hate absolutist vegans because they make being vegan very unappealing for someone who might just want to save some animals. Vegans with that all or nothing mentality probably kill more animals than vegans who are more lenient about it. Sucks because the only people that will befriend a vegan like that is another militant vegan, so then it becomes an echo chamber of "who is the better person" instead of "how do we help animals and the environment?"

I wish there was something in between vegetarian and vegan so I could identify as that instead of vegan sometimes. I also feel like it would help the negative stigma of helping animals and ultimately save more lives. For example, someone who eats half as much meat is doing so much more than someone who doesn't but some vegans will still give them shit about eating meat, then they'll probably just say "screw it" and eat meat again. It's pretty disgusting that their selfishness is more important than animal lives. Veganism should be a positive thing and it's far from it.

I still don't agree about the bank notes, however. Even if it is a byproduct it's still pretty weird to put animal products in currency. Didn't they stop doing that in like roman times?

 

[Pinkuss]

I'd go as far to say that veganism is exclusively a middle-class thing in London at least. You just have look at the prices for vegan alternatives to realise that. A poor person is not going to pay £2 for a vegan-friendly chocolate bar when they can buy a Crunchie bar for 65p. I myself have never met a poor vegan.

Hull here and know 20 or so Vegans, majority living in poorish areas (there are a couple in the rich villages though). I was brought up Veggie and was born in a council estate from St Helens (this was after deciding on my own at the age of 5 but my mum was also Veggie).

Also Heron and Fultons frozen foods have Linda Mcartney Veggie burgers for a quid (4 pack) and Vegan sausage rolls (a quid for 6). Most instant noodles are fine, pasta can feed me on a couple of quid for a few days, Supermarkets sell curries for a quid and beans are regularly 4 for a quid (not the baked kind... proper whole foods) etc etc.

It's dirt cheap these days and whilst there are the odd expensive product it is nice to treat yourself somedays. Anyways this is off topic and posting evidence against someone when you know little apart from your small observations isn't always the most accurate... and it's probably best we all try get along instead of the constant slagging off of one group (which mainly in my experience comes from meat eaters and especially on here; shame as the last thread I saw was fairly amicable).

Anyways off topic; fine to sign a petition, not the biggest deal but not something I really want in my fivers. Also Veganism is (officially) re avoiding as much as practicable and possible; fairly hard to avoid these things so they're in said category.

 

[cyberheater]

This makes me happy. Suck it vegans!

What a horrible post.

 

[John Kowalski]

I'd go as far to say that veganism is exclusively a middle-class thing in London at least. You just have look at the prices for vegan alternatives to realise that. A poor person is not going to pay £2 for a vegan-friendly chocolate bar when they can buy a Crunchie bar for 65p. I myself have never met a poor vegan.

The ones I have come across thru friends have all been white and middle-class. They've got the money to pay for the alternatives which extend beyond food and drink. I'm talking about shampoos, cosmetics, and fashion goods. All that shit is much more expensive than non-vegan-friendly alternatives.

Vegans live such a relaxed lifestyle that they have the time to become obsessed with ethics and animal suffering. They have the money to pay for alternatives. While everyone's worrying about Brexit and this new surveillance bill, vegans have the time to kick off about the new £5 because it offends their "ethics". It just shows how far removed they are from normal people. They live in the a bubble of privilege.

Far removed? Do you know any other instance of a banknote using animal products? Or do normal people use different banknotes that no one has ever captured on video?

 

[Mawnster]

As a 6 year vegan I completely and totally agree with your post. Vegans who treat veganism as a binary thing are cult-like and I believe they ultimately hurt the movement more than help it. Personally I don't eat or use animal products, but I'm not going to let that stop me from eating pop tarts or Oreos which are technically not vegan but a ton of vegans will totally say I'm not vegan because I ate that. These same vegans will turn around and buy iPhones, nikes etc and they honestly are intolerable to be around or communicate with.

I hate absolutist vegans because they make being vegan very unappealing for someone who might just want to save some animals. Vegans with that all or nothing mentality probably kill more animals than vegans who are more lenient about it. Sucks because the only people that will befriend a vegan like that is another militant vegan, so then it becomes an echo chamber of "who is the better person" instead of "how do we help animals and the environment?"

I wish there was something in between vegetarian and vegan so I could identify as that instead of vegan sometimes.

Uh. You're not vegan. You're vegetarian. Just say you're a vegetarian that doesn't use some products that come from animals. Why is that so difficult? It's no wonder other vegans criticise you for eating dairy. That's one of the main points of veganism.

 

[GuyKazama]

The British love putting tallow in random things. Rumors of this helped forment the Sepoy Uprising of 1857.

That is actually very interesting.

 

[Inferno313]

Uh. You're not vegan. You're vegetarian. Just say you're a vegetarian that doesn't use some products that come from animals. Why is that so difficult? It's no wonder other vegans criticise you for eating dairy. That's one of the main points of veganism.

Tbf, Oreos ARE vegan. They're just made in a facility that could potentially allow them to contaminate with animal products. But even PETA's approach to trace amounts is to not sweat it. Sending the message that vegans are ready and willing to spend money on mainstream products that are vegan is more important than personal purity.

On the other hand, pop-tarts aren't even technically vegetarian as they contain gelatin in the icing.

 

[rdytoroll]

Tallow is in a lot of things, even the keyboards that the professionally outraged are bashing to vent their fury.

 

[Owari]

Uh. You're not vegan. You're vegetarian. Just say you're a vegetarian that doesn't use some products that come from animals. Why is that so difficult? It's no wonder other vegans criticise you for eating dairy. That's one of the main points of veganism.

Cause I'm Vegan. I don't eat any meat, dairy or animal products. Oreos and Poptarts don't contain dairy. I don't eat anything that is labeled in the ingredients as an animal product. For the case of those snack foods,

Kraft has several sugar suppliers. Sugar in our products can come from either sugar cane or sugar beets, depending on availability.
Some of our suppliers DO use the animal-derived natural charcoal (also known as "bone char") in their cane sugar refining process and some suppliers DO NOT use this process.
Since we may use any of the sugar suppliers at any given time in production, we cannot give a definite answer as to whether or not bone char was used in the sugar refining process of a particular product.

I'm not going to not eat an Oreo because of some stupid grey area. Vegans who treat the movement as an absolute are killing animals by making veganism seem impossible. If something I eat doesn't say it has animal products and it secretly does it doesn't make me not vegan.

Veganism should be a mindset. What can you do to help as much as possible right now? If your boss offers you a glass of wine at dinner that may or may not be vegan, will you rudely decline, make all vegans seem like spoiled brats, and mess up your job opportunities or just drink the wine and chill?

 

[Skellig Gra]

Uh. You're not vegan. You're vegetarian. Just say you're a vegetarian that doesn't use some products that come from animals. Why is that so difficult? It's no wonder other vegans criticise you for eating dairy. That's one of the main points of veganism.

You should call yourself an edge-tarian. He never said anything about eating dairy.

 

[Pinkuss]

Tbf, Oreos ARE vegan. They're just made in a facility that could potentially allow them to contaminate with animal products. But even PETA's approach to trace amounts is to not sweat it. Sending the message that vegans are ready and willing to spend money on mainstream products that are vegan is more important than personal purity.

On the other hand, pop-tarts aren't even technically vegetarian as they contain gelatin in the icing.

And the Vegan society https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/allergen-labelling

And re keyboards, see my post re practicable... you don't get one up and we know.. (and I'm not sure why anyone would be so sad as to try if you are...)

 

[Kito]

This makes me happy. Suck it vegans!

This is my favourite post on any forum ever.

 

[Inferno313]

And the Vegan society https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/allergen-labelling

And re keyboards, see my post re practicable... you don't get one up and we know.. (and I'm not sure why anyone would be so sad as to try if you are...)

Haha. Better source. Used Peta just as a way to say: "Even the crazies don't sweat that stuff."

 

[show me your skeleton]

Vegans live such a relaxed lifestyle that they have the time to become obsessed with ethics and animal suffering. They have the money to pay for alternatives. While everyone's worrying about Brexit and this new surveillance bill, vegans have the time to kick off about the new £5 because it offends their "ethics". It just shows how far removed they are from normal people. They live in the a bubble of privilege.

quoting this ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Owari]

On the other hand, pop-tarts aren't even technically vegetarian as they contain gelatin in the icing.

The non frosted poptarts are vegan.

 

[Inferno313]

The non frosted poptarts are vegan.

Yeah, that's true. The bummer is that those things are hard to find and only come in the boring flavors.

 

[Mawnster]

Tbf, Oreos ARE vegan. They're just made in a facility that could potentially allow them to contaminate with animal products. But even PETA's approach to trace amounts is to not sweat it. Sending the message that vegans are ready and willing to spend money on mainstream products that are vegan is more important than personal purity.

On the other hand, pop-tarts aren't even technically vegetarian as they contain gelatin in the icing.

Cause I'm Vegan. I don't eat any meat, dairy or animal products. Oreos and Poptarts don't contain dairy. I don't eat anything that is labeled in the ingredients as an animal product. For the case of those snack foods.

You should call yourself an edge-tarian. He never said anything about eating dairy.

I apologize for the dairy part because I actually thought Oreos used milk. I did, however, know about the Pop-tarts containing gelatin, which is why I said I think you are vegetarian and not vegan.

Now I feel kind of betrayed by Oreos...

 

[Pestilence11]

"Slaughter the animal for meat but whatever you do don't use the fat to make tallow, throw that shit away!"

 

[Auctopus]

Media manipulation at its finest.

Using a pointless new stories to turn "normies" and "carnivores" on whiney vegetarians whilst the government passes a historic invasion of privacy.

 

[Owari]

I apologize for the dairy part because I actually thought Oreos used milk. I did, however, know about the Pop-tarts containing gelatin, which is why I said I think you are vegetarian and not vegan.

Now I feel kind of betrayed by Oreos...

It's all good. But you shouldn't feel betrayed homie. Keep eating Oreos. You buying Oreos over say, chipsahoy, does help the vegan industry. Oreo will eventually convert to 100% veganism, but not if all of the vegans drop the brand.

 

[Inferno313]

"Slaughter the animal for meat but whatever you do don't use the fat to make tallow, throw that shit away!"

I don't think any vegan is saying: "slaughter the animal for meat"

It kind of is the whole point of being vegan.

 

[Camoxide]

One of many things to contain animal products...

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-surprising-things-that-contain-animal-products-2014-3?IR=T

 

[Social]

Someone post that Harisson Ford "who gives a shit" gif please.

 

[Inferno313]

Someone post that Harisson Ford "who gives a shit" gif please.

It says right there in the thread title, though.

Vegans.

Vegans give a shit.

 

[Pinkuss]

One of many things to contain animal products...

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-surprising-things-that-contain-animal-products-2014-3?IR=T

1. Beer - I'd say around 2/3 are Vegan. Guinness has made the change this year. Barnivore lists most of them and when out there's always something available.
2. Perfume - Quite a few brands available.
3. Plastic bags - Avoidable (and bad anyways)
4. Downy - I had to look up what this is but there are brands that are Vegan (Astonish in the UK is dirt cheap and all labelled Vegan)
5. Sugar - Not in the UK/EU (mainly US I believe)
6. Condoms - Vegan brands exist
7. Nail polish - Superdrug in the UK do Vegan ones as do quite a few other I believe (and they're labelled as such and cheapish)
8. Crayons - No idea but I'm 30, pretty sure you can get Vegan ones.
9. Cake mixes - Lots of mainstream brands are fine, need an egg replacer but a can of pop will do.
10. Red candy - Don't really eat candy but not all and there are lots of Veggie candies
11. Some orange juice - Some.. Not many
12. Bagels - In the UK most are fine
13. Cigarettes - Don't smoke

 

[Breakage]

As a 6 year vegan I completely and totally agree with your post. Vegans who treat veganism as a binary thing are cult-like and I believe they ultimately hurt the movement more than help it. Personally I don't eat or use animal products, but I'm not going to let that stop me from eating pop tarts or Oreos which are technically not vegan but a ton of vegans will totally say I'm not vegan because I ate that. These same vegans will turn around and buy iPhones, nikes etc and they honestly are intolerable to be around or communicate with.

I'm a vegetarian myself and I could not be friends with a vegan who operates on absolutes. And unfortunately in my experience that seems to be quite common where I live. I've met people who won't eat a non-meat or non-dairy product that carries a "vegetarian friendly" symbol but doesn't carry the "vegan friendly" symbol. It's this kind of obsessiveness that I find insufferable.
Or they won't use a particular cosmetic product because ONE ingredient on there isn't vegan friendly. It's like a form of OCD - the obsession goes well beyond merely not eating meat or dairy.

This is one of the reasons I could never become a vegan myself because life just becomes incredibly difficult and fussy. You really have to be a rich person to stay 100% true to vegan "ethics". And in my experience people who follow veganism in such a way get so caught up in the ethics and sticking to rules that the parallels between religious cult become blindingly obvious. It becomes less about animal suffering and more about sticking to rules to boost one's ego. Anyone who doesn't follow it absolutely is morally wrong and ignorant and needs to be bombarded with vegan propaganda in order to gain enlightenment.

I hate absolutist vegans because they make being vegan very unappealing for someone who might just want to save some animals. Vegans with that all or nothing mentality probably kill more animals than vegans who are more lenient about it. Sucks because the only people that will befriend a vegan like that is another militant vegan, so then it becomes an echo chamber of "who is the better person" instead of "how do we help animals and the environment?"

I don't believe that 20,000+ vegans complaining about this £5 note actually care about animals, it's more to do with the fact that it offends their worldview. It's like they can't relax because they've encountered something that goes against their beliefs. It's about getting the world to conform to their rules and the satisfaction that emerges from it. It's entirely motivated by self-interest in my opinion. What such people fail to realise that we can't control everything in life. The modern world depends on so many things where at some point something suffers or goes thru hardship. What I don't like is when obsessive vegans are selective about which suffering concerns them more. They'll happily overlook the way their iPhone was put together as they order a new iPhone, but will gladly guilt-trip someone for eating a sandwich with a slice of cheese.

If someone drinks cows milk but doesn't eat meat, they're still a bad person because their eating habits don't conform. It really is a "you're either with us or against us" mentality.

I wish there was something in between vegetarian and vegan so I could identify as that instead of vegan sometimes. I also feel like it would help the negative stigma of helping animals and ultimately save more lives. For example, someone who eats half as much meat is doing so much than someone who doesn't but some vegans will still give them shit about eating meat, then they'll probably just say "screw it" and eat meat again. It's pretty disgusting that their selfishness is more important than animal lives. Veganism should be a positive thing and it's far from it.

I still don't agree about the bank notes, however. Even if it is a byproduct it's still pretty weird to put animal products in currency. Didn't they stop doing that in like roman times?

I don't have vegan friends because of the culture of obsessiveness and pontificating that I've encountered. I don't get that of nonsense with veggies tho.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Someone post that Harisson Ford "who gives a shit" gif please.

1700 vegans apparently

 

[cyberheater]

This is my favourite post on any forum ever.

I don't understand the mind set that would think like that.

 

[MCN]

*licks fiver*