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[MadJackChurchill]

There was a shit load of scare mongering from both sides during the campaign so it's hardly surprising a lot of it was ignored. People likely voted according to what they saw as benefit rather than negative consequence.

Anyway, it's not going to be as bad as you lot make it out to be. At least we don't have Trump 😂

For what it's worth, I still think we're doing the right thing.

Nah, you can't compare "THE BROWN PEOPLE ARE COMING!!!" from Leave, to "the economy depends on EU imports, and we pay half of what you're claiming" from Remain.

Don't liberal moderate this. The public were lied to. Constantly.

 

[DavidDesu]

Was it David Mundell who voted leave ?

Yep, even that tadger Murray of Labour voted against Article 50. Now we have this..!

Somehow I think this will backfire for them. It better!

 

[daviyoung]

Bring on the brexit!

 

[daviyoung]

to "the economy depends on EU imports, and we pay half of what you're claiming" from Remain.

you're right, the Remain campaign were very measured, collected, and delivered all the facts we needed to make such a momentous decision

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

 

[PJV3]

Finally!!!

The prime minister should have headed Mr Corbyn's advice and triggered article 50 the very next day.

Do you also try to throw the aircrew out of any flights you go on?

 

[phxxBullet]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

 

[RulkezX]

you're right, the Remain campaign were very measured, collected, and delivered all the facts we needed to make such a momentous decision

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

That article is full of quotes from Cameron talking about it role in the defence of Europe.

It's Boris that says " no leaving won't cause WW3" and the paper that ran with the headline.

You just proved that no one ever reads the content anymore.

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

#makebritainwhiteagain

 

[Lagamorph]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

Nope, nobody can explain that because there literally isn't an answer.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

The campaign was sold on us:

Paying 365 million pounds a week to the EU and we should use that to "fund the NHS" - we pay half of that because of rebates.

The EU is planning to create an army from members for defence and we can't afford that - we can opt out of that treaty just like we have done numerous times.

Turkey is applying for EU membership, which means brown people will come to the UK and steal our jeeeewbs - we can veto Turkey's membership application also lol Cyprus.

So they lied. Outright. And people that voted for it can't face reality and see how our economy is dependent on imports and exporting financial services from and to the EU. Now that we have announced Brexit, Canary Wharf is warning complete abandonment of London, food is becoming more expensive, portion sizes are smaller. But, of course, this is just Remoaning because we 'lost' a referendum. Not because my friends' livelihoods are threatened on the continent, I can't pursue a career without a million more hoops, and Northern Ireland is entirely reliant on an open border with Republic of Ireland for its economy. Oh no, I just lost which means I'm not allowed to voice my opinion any more. Fuck Little England and Wales and our jingoist 40 plusers.

 

[Philly40]

Finally!!!

The prime minister should have headed Mr Corbyn's advice and triggered article 50 the very next day.

headed

heeded

idiot

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

The people that voted? Majority did it for: less brown people, less Muslims, less Polish. You see, they steal all the jobs, and they are also at the same time stealing all the welfare by being unemployed.

The tory government wants brexit for: deregulation of many industries. More control over the rights of workers.


Labour? Fuck knows.

 

[excowboy]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

Apparently we want control of our borders (although we basically already do and Cameron had negotiated some additional caveats, never mind that we need migrants to meet our workforce needs) and we want to have the best free trade agreements in the world including the smoothest access to the EU single market (which obviously won't be anywhere near as smooth as it is now) and to, hopefully, fingers crossed, not have to trade on WTO terms as we negotiate new trade deals with a heavily weakened economy and a therefore desperate negotiating position. Oh yeah, also, we want our own bill of rights because the ECHR isn't gonna cut it when our economy is boned and we still have to respect worker's rights. It's gonna be glorious, do you see?

 

[phxxBullet]

The campaign was sold on us:

Paying 365 million pounds a week to the EU and we should use that to "fund the NHS" - we pay half of that because of rebates.

The EU is planning to create an army from members for defence and we can't afford that - we can opt out of that treaty just like we have done numerous times.

Turkey is applying for EU membership, which means brown people will come to the UK and steal our jeeeewbs - we can veto Turkey's membership application also lol Cyprus.

Thanks alot!

Okay, so let away that Turkey isn't likely to join within the next 5 years as Erdogan is threatening the EU with opening the borders to the EU for refugees.

Basically, their point is that you could save some pounds, but nobody ever questioned how much trade deals would be lost or had to be re-arranged when leaven the Union? And how high the withdrawal of benefits would be, which UK gets from the EU?

Welp, this seems even more idiotic to me than the US election, and I already had a hard time imagining how people must have felt that they didn't vote against Trump becoming the next president.

 

[Zaph]

you're right, the Remain campaign were very measured, collected, and delivered all the facts we needed to make such a momentous decision

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

Lol Boris made the WW3 jab in response to Cameron's (reasonable imo) warnings. There is instability in Europe, and if anything his read was accurate given what's happening in the US and Russia/Ukraine. Brexit will absolutely contribute to the problems at a time when Europe should be standing firm together, without an over-reliance of the US.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

Labour? Fuck knows.

Support a socialist utopia while not funding globalist capitalism...with no money. Legitimately dreaming.

Basically, their point is that you could save some pounds, but nobody ever questioned how much trade deals would be lost or had to be re-arranged when leaven the Union? And how high the withdrawal of benefits would be, which UK gets from the EU?

Welp, this seems even more idiotic to me than the US election, and I already had a hard time imagining how people must have felt that they didn't vote against Trump becoming the next president.

It was brought up, but the Leave's response was "I think people have heard enough from experts telling them what to do". Actually. That was their argument. Then when the results were announced, the rats that ran the Leave campaign were shuffled out, resigned, or got a job in America (Farage).

It is by all means dumber than the US election. We're very dumb people. Time and time again we fall for the Great Britain used to be Great rhetoric, and it's abundantly clear that our economy has not been structured like that for at least 30 years.

 

[daviyoung]

That article is full of quotes from Cameron talking about it role in the defence of Europe.

It's Boris that says " no leaving won't cause WW3" and the paper that ran with the headline.

You just proved that no one ever reads the content anymore.

the Boris quote isn't in the content, and no that text under picture is not a quote

and here's another great one

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...-than-50-tory-mps_uk_57610394e4b0681487dc2c06

in fact, there was more fear-mongering on the Remain than the Leave, the Leave side were full of optimistic lies instead

 

[chromatic9]

Poland and Croatia took about ten years to join the EU. There's a lot of selling the EU needed and getting people back on board before one should have the referendum in Scotland but I back them if they should want it. It's a 15-20 year goal.

 

[travisbickle]

Stupid question, but me sitting in Austria, I never understood what EXACTLY UK wants to achieve with Brexit.

Can anyone explain to me?

The U.K. public? They got played like a fiddle.

The ultra-rich? They want a playground (London) with a cultural heritage to spend their money in but they don't want to pay taxes.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

the Boris quote isn't in the content, and no that text under picture is not a quote

and here's another great one

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...-than-50-tory-mps_uk_57610394e4b0681487dc2c06

in fact, there was more fear-mongering on the Remain than the Leave, the Leave side were full of optimistic lies instead

"Hitler would've liked the EU" - Boris Johnson in 2016.
"Comparing Trump to Hitler is trivialising the Holocaust" - Boris Johnson, still with a job, in 2017.

OH YEAH, Remain's totally worse.

 

[daviyoung]

"Hitler would've liked the EU" - Boris Johnson in 2016.
"Comparing Trump to Hitler is trivialising the Holocaust" - Boris Johnson, still with a job, in 2017.

OH YEAH, Remain's totally worse.

I never said worse, I just found your devil vs angel personification of the two campaigns funny

 

[Linkstrikesback]

I mean, it's not a contest (my post was merely a spot of gallows humor, not a real challenge to shittiness ) and both of our countries are pretty fucked, but saying "eh, we'll replace him in 4-8 years and then everything will go back to normal" seems extremely naïve. You underestimate the damage he can and will do.

Don't get me wrong, I know trump's an absolute stain on humanity, to the point where we even had protests against him in various cities in the UK on Monday evening (which I went to just for argument's sake), but there's at least a chance the oompa loompa could get impeached, whereas I can't see any hope at all on this side. .

 

[MadJackChurchill]

I never said worse, I just found your devil vs angel personification of the two campaigns funny

Except Leave won, and the pound's crashed to pre-EU membership levels. The plan is now to make the UK a tax haven. The NHS is still being privatised. It's not doomsday, but it's exactly as "those bloody experts" with their years of experience warned.

 

[Zaph]

Thanks alot!

Okay, so let away that Turkey isn't likely to join within the next 5 years as Erdogan is threatening the EU with opening the borders to the EU for refugees.

Basically, their point is that you could save some pounds, but nobody ever questioned how much trade deals would be lost or had to be re-arranged when leaven the Union? And how high the withdrawal of benefits would be, which UK gets from the EU?

Welp, this seems even more idiotic to me than the US election, and I already had a hard time imagining how people must have felt that they didn't vote against Trump becoming the next president.

Those are mostly just talking points. It boiled down to one issue - immigration. People want less Eastern Europeans and brown people.

Which is hilarious now because visas will become one of our very few bargaining chips when it comes to trade deals and keeping business in the UK. We'll probably end up with similar immigration numbers, or perhaps higher.

the Boris quote isn't in the content, and no that text under picture is not a quote

and here's another great one

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...-than-50-tory-mps_uk_57610394e4b0681487dc2c06

in fact, there was more fear-mongering on the Remain than the Leave, the Leave side were full of optimistic lies instead

You realise we might likely hard Brexit, right? No real deal with the EU and starting scratch on trade deals around the world. That will hit our GDP severely and his deficit and cuts predictions could easily end up optimistic, not alarmist.

 

[daviyoung]

You realise we might likely hard Brexit, right? No real deal with the EU and starting scratch on trade deals around the world. That will hit our GDP severely and his deficit and cuts predictions could easily end up optimistic, not alarmist.

Oh I'm no doubt that we haven't even seen the start of the shit

 

[Barajas_201]

Will Ireland finally be united? That's the only silver lining in all of this.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Osborne didn't help us stay in the EU, tbh, it was counter productive given how many people hated the guy, as Ken Clarke said. Really should have focused on positive shit rather than 'punishment budgets'. I'm convinced that some people voted to leave just to troll the government because of the ridiculous predictions.

 

[daviyoung]

Will Ireland finally be united? That's the only silver lining in all of this.

what?

 

[faridmon]

Will Ireland finally be united? That's the only silver lining in all of this.

The Parliament will block that as much as they can.

 

[Violet_0]

The prime minister has set a deadline of 31 March for invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty

would Britain officially leave the union at this point?

 

[MadJackChurchill]

what?

Northern Ireland can't have a hard border with Republic of Ireland. Are you joking?

would Britain officially leave the union at this point?

We're still members until the 2 year negotiations are concluded. You have 2 years to leave.

 

[D4Danger]

would Britain officially leave the union at this point?

No that's just when it starts. It would be two years from then unless a deal is made earlier or they agree to extend the timeline.

 

[daviyoung]

Northern Ireland can't have a hard border with Republic of Ireland. Are you joking?

And the only other alternative is for NI to leave the UK? Are YOU joking?

 

[Violet_0]

No that's just when it starts. It would be two years from then unless a deal is made earlier or they agree to extend the timeline.

ah right, I kind of figured as much. I haven't really followed the Brexit fiasco lately, thanks

 

[MadJackChurchill]

And the only other alternative is for NI to leave the UK? Are YOU joking?

Maybe plans should have been thought out BEFORE we did the referendum. That would've been smart, eh.

 

[daviyoung]

Maybe plans should have been thought out BEFORE we did the referendum. That would've been smart, eh.

Yes it would have been.

 

[D4Danger]

Maybe plans should have been thought out BEFORE we did the referendum. That would've been smart, eh.

but brexit could never happen. let the plebs have their vote they said.

 

[excowboy]

I still think that if Sturgeon wants to fuck with everyone she should just call indyref2 regardless of what Westminster says. If Scotland voted to leave the union the UK govt could hardly turn around and say 'that referendum has no legal standing' could they?!

This is just speaking as an agent of chaos - I don't want Scotland to leave but it would be interesting eh?

 

[chromatic9]

Northern Ireland is such a complex issue and they also voted to remain. Listening to people over there they say moving between the border is critical for the economy as you can imagine.

Would be so much easier for UK to remain. We had a great deal from the EU and it still wasn't good enough.

 

[Jotaka]

 

[Lagamorph]

I still think that if Sturgeon wants to fuck with everyone she should just call indyref2 regardless of what Westminster says. If Scotland voted to leave the union the UK govt could hardly turn around and say 'that referendum has no legal standing' could they?!

They could, almost certainly would and virtually no other country in the world would recognise independent Scotland in that scenario.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Fucking Wales and fucking Corbyn. Were that I was a red dragon and I would breathe a thousand years of retribution down upon them.

 

[Tregard]

Maybe plans should have been thought out BEFORE we did the referendum. That would've been smart, eh.

Our leading political party had their heads up their arse and didn't bother to come up with a plan, and the rest of the UK probably don't really care enough if we're being honest

Northern Ireland is such a complex issue and they also voted to remain. Listening to people over there they say moving between the border is critical for the economy as you can imagine.

Would be so much easier for UK to remain. We had a great deal from the EU and it still wasn't good enough.

The DUP's current leader and then-first Minister (if you haven't looked into the Renewable Heating Incentive which took our entire government down and forced a re-election I implore you to have a look, she essentially pissed away £500 million) was actually extremely pro-Brexit, and actively made fun of Remainers on Twitter. Our first minister and her party ignored the mandate of her people (on MANY issues, I might add, such as blocking gay marriage) and ensured all DUP members voted Leave, because they can basically get away with whatever they like as long as they tow the line of "Well if we don't then the Republicans will be getting their way!"

I pray the Northern Irish re-election causes a shake-up, I can't stand this childish BS in our local government anymore.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Complete madness, but it seems short term politics are more important then screwing over your country.

 

[Gattsu25]

Nah, you can't compare "THE BROWN PEOPLE ARE COMING!!!" from Leave, to "the economy depends on EU imports, and we pay half of what you're claiming" from Remain.

Don't liberal moderate this. The public were lied to. Constantly.

"Both sides"

 

[theaface]

Northern Ireland is such a complex issue and they also voted to remain. Listening to people over there they say moving between the border is critical for the economy as you can imagine.

Would be so much easier for UK to remain. We had a great deal from the EU and it still wasn't good enough.

we have to make the best of a bad lot and not talk ourselves into a recession. If it's going to happen (leaving) just get fucking on with it please.

So which is it? Accept it and get on with it, or lament what should/could have been (which you criticised me for)?

Incidentally, what does 'getting on with it' for a pro remain person look like to you? I go to work and pay my taxes and national insurance. Is that not enough? Should I fall in line and champion the PM's words that we'll be afforded tremendous trading opportunities in our post Brexit world, even if I don't believe a word of it?

Should I let the Vote Leave camp off the hook for all of their false campaign pledges (yep, the £350m a week elephant in the room once again)? Am I supposed to cease publicly objecting to policies I disagree with (e.g. leaving the single market)? Because shutting up and towing the line sounds an awful lot like fascism to me.

You tell me. If you want to paint a juvenile picture of me or other angry remain voters sulking and sitting in the corner, be my guest. But again, I'd ask you to explain what exactly it is above and beyond contributing to society by working and paying our way that you'd expect of us.

 

[excowboy]

They could, almost certainly would and virtually no other country in the world would recognise independent Scotland in that scenario.

You, of course, make a fair point. I just think the discrepancy is interesting - the Scottish people could vote for independence and it would be a joke, the British people vote for it and it's taken so seriously that we will probably destroy our political, social and economic future for a generation to see it through. I appreciate the difference is to do with the legality of any such vote and sovereignty or otherwise of the respective parliaments, but all the same the disparity is nuts on paper.

 

[Prurient]

Cool, both me and my girlfriend are absolutely fucked. I work for the NHS, so my days of employment are probably numbered. And my girlfriend works in a job dealing with protected species, so once all them EU-based laws are thrown out for developer interests she loses her career too.

We are looking into the fact that she might have Irish heritage in order to get Irish passports and get the fuck out, is this something that will still be possible in the future?

 

[Syder]

We are looking into the fact that she might have Irish heritage in order to get Irish passports and get the fuck out, is this something that will still be possible in the future?

If you have Irish parents it's relatively easy and I believe the Irish government have maintained that it will stay straight-forward. If you have Irish grandparents you will have to go through the fairly pricey and more long-winded process of registering on the foreign births register before getting a passport.

If your heritage goes further back than grandparents you're going to have a pretty tough time as far as Ireland goes.

 

[Prurient]

If you have Irish parents it's relatively easy and I believe the Irish government have maintained that it will stay straight-forward. If you have Irish grandparents you will have to go through the fairly pricey and more long-winded process of registering on the foreign births register before getting a passport.

If your heritage goes further back than grandparents you're going to have a pretty tough time as far as Ireland goes.

Thanks for the reply, it's a parent that was born in Ireland so hopefully it will work out. Still a potential longshot but it's nice to have a glimmer of hope when I'm feeling this hopeless about the future.

 

[Zutroy]

I think the SNP will go for indyref2 when the pound drops below the euro (I have no clue how likely that is).

One of the biggest concerns was us having to leave the pound. If it's performing worse than the euro then I imagine people in Scotland would be less hard up against adopting it.