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Meadows said:
That depiction of terrorists is absolutely racist. They clearly want to say that "Yo, look at all these non-white people coming into our country, yeah, well also TERRORISM". That is racism. If there was a SINGLE white person there, my point would be invalid, however there isn't one.


If we had a white gun wielding maniac it would be okay i guess. Reverse racism sucks too, where does it end sigh.

So i quite happily agree to disagree with you on this.

The wonderful idea of democracy allows this without fear of recrimination :-)
 
radioheadrule83 said:
With ofcom and the beeb out of the way Murdoch would be free to transform Sky into a right wing Fox-esque propaganda and slander machine and basically contribute to the running of the country.

Yet another reason to vote against Cameron.



Camerson was advisor to Norman Lamont and Michael Howard, who accepted an amendment to the Local Government Act in the 1980s (Section 28) that stated: [Local authorities] shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"... the same Michael Howard, who like many in the party opposed the basic minimum wage right up until Labour implemented it. There are plenty of old guard filling his benches who had a say in those governments, so yes, I still blame them -- retiring in 2010 doesn't absolve them of blame. They could have softened the blow for miners as the only industry they knew collapsed around their ears, but they're not a welfare-minded party. They could have privatised the rail network to create competing operators but kept Railtrack's infrastructure and the safety of the railways as a matter of public concern -- maybe then we wouldn't have had Paddington! They are a party of elites and elitists, populated by the kind of men who have duck ponds and moats on their estate, 15 old etonians on the front benches, a party that brought about the poll tax and post code lotteries, pushed against progressive policies like the minimum wage for years, a party that is STILL full of bigots, homophobes and euro-skeptics, a party that proposes lucky breaks for the few and implies less support and services for the many. I was only 5/6 as the early 90s recession hit and my parents nearly had to up sticks with their three kids and move because life was that uncomfortable -- how is it people have coped better now, in supposedly the deepest recession in modern history? Could it be because of the support infrastructure we have built in this country under Labour leadership?

Coming back to Cameron:

He voted against banning fox hunting, he voted against the smoking ban in restaurants and public places, he voted against NHS foundation trusts. He voted against a motion that the case had not been made for war with Iraq, and voted FOR the declaration of war. As is his snively politically convenient nature, he then voted for an inquiry into the Iraq war less than a year later. He was slow to condemn a member of his party who claimed that Enoch Powell's "River of Blood" speech was right. To his credit he isn't the bigot some in his party are, he's realistic about immigration (helping to marganlise the likes of UKIP and BNP) and he voted in favour of the civil partnerships bill. AND YET, he has aligned himself with dubious characters in Europe who have called homosexuality a "pathology", and basically - his party would have us work at the fringes of Europe instead of at the heart of Europe, working with Europe. A Europe, which against all Euro-skeptics hopes', has only marganalised us and grown stronger without us in its single currency.

WORSE than all of this though...

The man is basically running his party like the kind of PR spin-machine people these days supposedly hate... he's a tory response to Tony Blair. Changing clothes four times in the space of a few hours at the 06 Tory conference, cycling-to-work-with-a-car-following behind with his belongings, hugging-hoodies, audaciously stealing Barack Obama's mantra of "change" which the whole world knows was used to great effect less than 12 months ago... its pathetic. Gordon Brown might be a bit more popular if he knew how to pull that kind of crap, but I'm actually glad he doesn't really know how to.

He is a wolf in sheeps clothing, and if people vote the conservatives in again in 2010, it'll only be because they're voting AGAINST Brown, or because they have no idea what they're actually voting for.
nice post
 
Problem is the only real choice we have is Brown v's cameron and people will go with cameron cause labour have been shit.
 
Meadows said:
Yeah, people have started to defend the BNP based on technicalities, I'm outta here.

Charming I'm sure, i'm entitled ask as being from the Republic of Ireland and living in Northern Ireland, I'm an immigrant in the UK. So either he's saying I shouldn't be here or hes pointing out the fallacy of that BNP picture which is perfectly fine.

Yeah sorry mate I thought you were guilty of what Meadows is saying, didn't realise you were sharing the same sentiments! People failing to see how the BNP image is racist is a step of stupid too far, definitely time for me to bail.
 
Nexus Zero said:
Yeah sorry mate I thought you were guilty of what Meadows is saying, didn't realise you were sharing the same sentiments! People failing to see how the BNP image is racist is a step of stupid too far, definitely time for me to bail.

Okay, so i think this is partly aimed at me, so to clarify.

I agree that i can see the image is not fair. I never bothered looking at it to consider as it never affected me. But my point was NEVER that the bnp arent racist.
My point is, that if they are racist then they should be banned for being illegal. Not to tell the public they cant vote for someone. Does that make sense?
 
Not to tell the public they cant vote for someone. Does that make sense?

Which is something I definitely agree with. I'm behind the Beeb for putting the BNP on Question Time - I think it's a bit of a disgrace it's gotten to this point but I don't agree with censorship under any circumstance.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
He is a wolf in sheeps clothing, and if people vote the conservatives in again in 2010, it'll only be because they're voting AGAINST Brown, or because they have no idea what they're actually voting for.
Or maybe, heaven forbid, the people who will be voting for the Tories actually want massive scaling back of government interference in our lives, the repeal illiberal laws such as 42 days detention without trial and identity cards for all citizens. Lower taxation for all, fundamental overhaul of the benefits culture, recognition that society is broken, getting law making powers back from unelected EU bureaucrats into the hands of our democratically elected parliament.

Labour has made some positive lasting changes in the last twelve years, but it is time for a change. Despite whatever Brown wishes, we do not live in an one-party state, we live in a democracy. It's unhealthy for one party to dominant the political system for over decade, indeed we are now paying for it with a massive public budget deficit and government ministers going around with a devil may care attitude. A vote for Labour in 2010 is a vote for unconcealed arrogance and a lack of vision or fresh ideas.
 
Come on we all know that 95% of GAF wants to vote for:
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I do like the comparisons between Cameron and the anti-Christ. Do none of you remember the 1997 election?
 
dalyr95 said:
Come on we all know that 95% of GAF wants to vote for:
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I do like the comparisons between Cameron and the anti-Christ. Do none of you remember the 1997 election?


At the end of the days, cabinets change but the civil service and local councils still run our lives on a daily basis. There is little to choose between them, though, thats a fact.
 
You guys need way more money in your political system. A guy like Cameron, with his undeniable wit and privilege, clearly deserves better than the third-rate disinformongers currently at his disposal.
 
blazinglord said:
Or maybe, heaven forbid, the people who will be voting for the Tories actually want massive scaling back of government interference in our lives, the repeal illiberal laws such as 42 days detention without trial and identity cards for all citizens. Lower taxation for all, fundamental overhaul of the benefits culture, recognition that society is broken, getting law making powers back from unelected EU bureaucrats into the hands of our democratically elected parliament.

Labour has made some positive lasting changes in the last twelve years, but it is time for a change. Despite whatever Brown wishes, we do not live in an one-party state, we live in a democracy. It's unhealthy for one party to dominant the political system for over decade, indeed we are now paying for it with a massive public budget deficit and government ministers going around with a devil may care attitude. A vote for Labour in 2010 is a vote for unconcealed arrogance and a lack of vision or fresh ideas.

1) 42 days can't be repealed if it was never enacted, what are you talking about? Cameron and Davis were in a minority within the Conservatives for opposing 42 days. They can't claim sole credit for defeating the legislation, all sides of parliament including Labour's own back benchers and mood throughout the country played some part. People can only be held for upto 28 days in terror related cases. If its a normal case the maximum detention without charge is 96 hours.

2) ID cards, which again, have not yet been enabled in legislation - will not be for "all citizens" - and they won't be compulsory.

3) The tories are going one better in this general election. Normally they offer tax cuts along with their welfare and service cuts, but this year they're offering only rises. There will be tax RISES no matter who wins of course, and all parties are claiming they'll trim the fat. The question is who you trust to trim government fat intelligently and who will simply cut investment in economically supporting services, and valuable public services to meet their ends. I have said earlier in the thread that Labour have failed to address peoples concerns' on benefit cheats and immigration - that doesn't mean that people want an axe taken to welfare indiscriminately.

4) You had recognition from Brown & co at the Labour conference this week regarding "Broken Britain". ie. They decided it best to talk tough and match the Tories' negative, alarmist bullshit

5) I'm going to ignore your FUD on Europe

6) I refer you to Avaya who summed up the shadow cabinets silence and inaction during the run up to the economic crisis, and his assessment - which I agree with - that we would be in a far shittier position now had Cameron been in charge then. The idea that markets self correct and never self destruct is dead.
 
People can only be held for upto 28 days in terror related cases. If its a normal case the maximum detention without charge is 96 hours.

Although it's fantastic the 42 day limit wasn't passed, you know that 'terror' is a filmsy word and that the police would abuse the term as often as possible.

ID cards, which again, have not yet been enabled in legislation - will not be for "all citizens" - and they won't be compulsory.

All it would take, once they are in place, is a single vote to make them so. Even in the initial rollout they were already being made compulsory for people in the aviation sector, next it would be healthcare, then education, all public sector, etc. Best to nip it at the bud and avoid wasting billions on a needless scheme.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
2) ID cards, which again, have not yet been enabled in legislation - will not be for "all citizens" - and they won't be compulsory.

they always said they were never compulsory but they have tried numerous back-door approaches such as being unable to get a passport without having one.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
3) The tories are going one better in this general election. Normally they offer tax cuts along with their welfare and service cuts, but this year they're offering only rises. There will be tax RISES no matter who wins of course, and all parties are claiming they'll trim the fat. The question is who you trust to trim government fat intelligently and who will simply cut investment in economically supporting services, and valuable public services to meet their ends. I have said earlier in the thread that Labour have failed to address peoples concerns' on benefit cheats and immigration - that doesn't mean that people want an axe taken to welfare indiscriminately.

If Brown had spent better and wiser we wouldn't have to make these cuts and instead would have a lasting better quality NHS. Or do you want to hope you get sick in the boom years?
 
radiohead's post has nicely confirmed and encapsulated many suspicions I've had re. Cameron pretty much since he won the Tory leadership. He strikes me as very disingenuous, very slimey, and completely PR/image driven.
 
gofreak said:
radiohead's post has nicely confirmed and encapsulated many suspicions I've had re. Cameron pretty much since he won the Tory leadership. He strikes me as very disingenuous, very slimey, and completely PR/image driven.

Hes the tories Tony Blair all image and no substance.
 
gofreak said:
radiohead's post has nicely confirmed and encapsulated many suspicions I've had re. Cameron pretty much since he won the Tory leadership. He strikes me as very disingenuous, very slimey, and completely PR/image driven.

I really couldn't stand him at first, he was Spawn Of Blair. Although he seemed to change a bit after he lost his son, bit more humble and genuine. His handling of the expenses row showed Brown to be the ditherer he is as well.

But he needs substance behind him. If the Conservative conference is as empty of real policies as the Labour one (the only 'new' ones being repackaged existing policies or things that has been promised for years anyway), then they will appear as clueless as Labour as to what to do about things. If I hear the phrase 'efficiency savings' one more time from either party I will scream.

If the Tories sugarcoat everything in spin next week as Labour did this week, then that will be the complete opposite of change. Just more of the same, and swapping one set of politicians we have no trust or confidence in with another.

As for Cameron nicking Obama's line though, wasn't Obama's campaign based on Blair's? We have New Labour to thank for introducing that wonderful bit of marketing in 97.

Unless the Tories suddenly reject spin and start calling things (and the state of the country's finances) as they are, or the public suddenly start to take the LibDems seriously, the next General Election is going to be a bit depressing with no real choice for people whatsoever.
 
dalyr95 said:
If Brown had spent better and wiser we wouldn't have to make these cuts and instead would have a lasting better quality NHS. Or do you want to hope you get sick in the boom years?

We do have a better quality NHS. Whether its lasting depends on what happens politically and economically in the next few years.

Regarding the ID card comments above, I never said I agree with 'voluntary' ID cards, I said on the first page, I actually want Labour to hold their hands up and U-turn on it ASAP. Its a shitty idea with no merits whatsoever.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
We do have a better quality NHS. Whether its lasting depends on what happens politically and economically in the next few years.

Regarding the ID card comments above, I never said I agree with 'voluntary' ID cards, I said on the first page, I actually want Labour to hold their hands up and U-turn on it ASAP. Its a shitty idea with no merits whatsoever.

Well my personal experience of the NHS, and my family's, and friends I know all have pretty good horror stories to tell from the last few years.

Considering the huge amount of money that has been poured into hospital and schools, the outcome can only be considered a failure. The money has disappeared into the management needed to implement experiment after experiment, at the expense of frontline nurses, doctors and teachers.

They are stretched too far, compounded with a stupid focus on league-tables which is such a nieve way of raising standards that it beggers belief. School children are tested to an inch of their lives. Labour's obsession with soundbites and things like 'choice' have meant an explosion in a load of management and bureaucracy. Incredibly expensive as well.

Compared to what's been put in, what has come out is a joke. And now it will crumble because the money to run all this waste just isn't there.
 
I've found the quality of the NHS to be great. To call it a 'failure' based purely on anecdote and scare stories as opposed to actual scientific and accurate studies seems like a very sensationalist and right wing this to do. No offence brah. Also, the GDP for the NHS is actually quite sensible.
 
Chinner said:
I've found the quality of the NHS to be great. To call it a 'failure' based purely on anecdote and scare stories as opposed to actual scientific and accurate studies seems like a very sensationalist and right wing this to do. No offence brah. Also, the GDP for the NHS is actually quite sensible.

The NHS isn't a 'failure' but the levels and way money has been thrown at it is.

The money spent on management compared to the frontline is top-heavy, demands on doctors and nurses excessive leading to mistakes, things like cleaning services killed off or out-sourced to cut costs.

I nearly died because of a mistake, my mum has been left with a shoulder that is now inoperable because of a mistake, weeks after her catching the Nora virus from poor cleanliness in the hospital, a friend was misdiagnosed which was potentially very serious. I could go on and on ...

Just bad luck? Coincidence? Or a system and nurses and doctors under strain despite more money having been poured in than ever before.

But hey, there's league tables now so that's good because we all make a decision on which hospital to go to when we are in the ambulance after a bit of googling. Labour's approach is more and more gimmicks and bureaucracy, in all areas of life. Money spent is nothing if it isn't spent wisely.
 
DECK'ARD said:
I nearly died because of a mistake, my mum has been left with a shoulder that is now inoperable because of a mistake, weeks after her catching the Nora virus from poor cleanliness in the hospital, a friend was misdiagnosed which was potentially very serious. I could go on and on ...

Just bad luck? Coincidence? Or a system and nurses and doctors under strain despite more money having been poured in than ever before.
I'm sorry that you've have had complications at the NHS, but again, is this supposed to be representative of a service that serves a population of 60 million? Of course the system isn't perfect and I agree that there is too much bureaucracy, but basing it on a a collection of stories is hardly fair.
 
Chinner said:
I'm sorry that you've have had complications at the NHS, but again, is this supposed to be representative of a service that serves a population of 60 million? Of course the system isn't perfect and I agree that there is too much bureaucracy, but basing it on a a collection of stories is hardly fair.

Well as a member of the public what SHOULD you base your opinion of the public services on? I could commission any old study to deliver exactly the results I wanted. Statistics lie, are massaged, every day of the week.

And don't even get me started on care for the elderly. When my dad developed a rapid form of dementia following his stroke he was thrown in the filthiest place I have ever seen. On first visit the nurse took me to my dad's "posh pad" which consisted of a bare room with a filing cabinet for his clothes. I gave him a look that could kill and vowed to my dad to get him out of there. Next time I saw him there he had caught scabies. The nurse from before had taken time off and wrote a report saying he had acted poorly because of the pressure he was under just to try and do all the things he was required to do. And this was a hospital for those with mental impairment.

It took a YEAR of battling to get them to pay half of my dad's care costs so we could get him into a decent care home. Told one thing by one department, which was then rejected by another and so on. The whole system from top to bottom was ridiculous, with the frontline being hopelessly starved of cash. This was the last thing me and mum should have been having to do while coping with losing my dad.

And then there was another friend who was put in an Acute Assessment Unit in the middle of winter which has no heating all the time she was there. The patients also ended up helping clean it along with myself. The entrance to the visitors lounge was beautifully decorated and warm though.

So, what would YOUR opinion be? First hand experience or a bunch of reports and studies.

The NHS has lots of money going into the wrong places, and everything I have seen of it or experienced has confirmed that.
 
For every one of your anecdotes we would have ten more praising the NHS, like the litany of support that poured in for it over the summer when Daniel Hannan was visiting the US on a completely unwarranted ego-trip

I have had very good care with the NHS, as have members of my family - liver disease, cancer, births and deaths... of course its not perfect for all people at all times, but you've got the blinkers on if you think you and your family would be getting better care under a US style system.

As for the money thats been spent, Sir Derek Wanless found exactly what I feel to be true (improved care in Labour's tenure) and also a bit of what you find to be true (re: too much waste / beaurocracy).

The funding increase has helped to deliver some clear and notable improvements: more staff and equipment; improved infrastructure; significantly reduced waiting times and better access to care; and improved care in coronary heart disease, cancer, stroke and mental health. Although difficult to attribute directly to the NHS, life expectancy has also continued to improve.

"The direction of health policy now being pursued by the government should be correct to address the key challenges ... However, what is clear is that thus far the additional funding has not produced the improvements in productivity assumed in the 2002 review."

He also threw in a warning about national timebomb issues like obesity and binge drinking, intimating that even with improved acknowledgement of our personal responsiblities to such a service, funding will have to increase in real terms to maintain and improve it.

Maybe we should let people opt out and let people see what happens with pharmas/insurance companies running the show, let people experience crippling insurance premiums and life without a right to care, to go along with all the complaints of imperfect service they have now.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
For every one of your anecdotes we would have ten more praising the NHS, like the litany of support that poured in for it over the summer when Daniel Hannan was visiting the US on a completely unwarranted ego-trip

I have had very good care with the NHS, as have members of my family - liver disease, cancer, births and deaths... of course its not perfect for all people at all times, but you've got the blinkers on if you think you and your family would be getting better care under a US style system.

As for the money thats been spent, Sir Derek Wanless found exactly what I feel to be true (improved care in Labour's tenure) and also a bit of what you find to be true (re: too much waste / beaurocracy).



He also threw in a warning about national timebomb issues like obesity and binge drinking, intimating that even with improved acknowledgement of our personal responsiblities to such a service, funding will have to increase in real terms to maintain and improve it.

Maybe we should let people opt out and let people see what happens with pharmas/insurance companies running the show, let people experience crippling insurance premiums and life without a right to care, to go along with all the complaints of imperfect service they have now.

'Anecdotes'

You are talking about my dad, who died 6 months after that 'anecdote'. Altleast his last months were made as comfortable as could be and he deserves nothing less as someone who fought in WW2 and contributed all his life to the NHS which then failed him.

But feel free to copy and paste as much as you feel necessary to support your Internet argument. And allow me to tell you to fuck off for use of the word anecdote.
 
DECK'ARD said:
'Anecdotes'

You are talking about my dad, who died 6 months after that 'anecdote'. Altleast his last months were made as comfortable as could be and he deserves nothing less as someone who fought in WW2 and contributed all his life to the NHS which then failed him.

But feel free to copy and paste as much as you feel necessary to support your Internet argument. And allow me to tell you to fuck off for use of the word anecdote.

Spare me indignation, you're clearly not daft, you know full well that your story is only anecdotal evidence like any other, as sad and unfortunate a story as it is. If your reading of my statement was that I was trying to demean your fathers life or his death, then I apologise for causing offence. I'm just saying his treatment at the hands of the NHS can't be used to fairly assess the situation any more than any of the positive stories we hear.
 
I have never personally had a bad experience with the NHS and touch wood, neither has any of my friends or family and given the large instances of heart problems in my family that is amazing to me. No system is perfect and there will be issues. Each one is sad for all involved. However it does not characterise the system at all.

The convervative back bench would dearly love to cut the NHS down well beyond savings in "beauracracy" which hides the real agenda.

Anyone proposing the "cutting-down" of the BBC as a news organisation is a fucking cretin. Murdoch is getting pushed out of the UK policy arena at the moment. His media services are fading into irrelevance. Newspapers are a fading force. All he will have left is BSkyB. BBC Online has destroyed Murdoch. Good times.

James Murdoch's claim that only profit incentive will lead to better media is so deluded I wanted someone to get up and give him the slap he deserves.
 
Anyone proposing the "cutting-down" of the BBC as a news organisation is a fucking cretin.

Is a bit of healthy debate beyond your tiny mind? Is it your view or no view. Perhaps it is you who is the fucking cretin. Cockwomble.
 
NHS is fucking amazing. Trust me, you do NOT want to live under privatized health care. That shit is pure hell.
 
donkeyspank said:
Anyone proposing the "cutting-down" of the BBC as a news organisation is a fucking cretin.

Is a bit of healthy debate beyond your tiny mind? Is it your view or no view. Perhaps it is you who is the fucking cretin. Cockwomble.

There is no other conceivable reason to "cut-down" the BBCs role as a news organisation but to benefit other commercially based news media, all the corruption and vested interests that entails. BBC News, answerable to the PCC, answerable to a paying public, answerable to OFCOM which is impartial from the government and is mandated to act in the public/consumer's interest - that is something that serves our society well.

I can see an argument for getting them to scale down their excess TV and radio stations that only show/play re-runs or cater to a very small niche, but the world service, BBC News 24 and the BBCs international correspondents and bureaux - which are seperate from commercial entities like AP/Reuters etc -- all of that has been fundamentally vital to allow this country to stave off the kind of ridiculous entertainment media circus and overt propagandizing that passes for news in the United States. I would actually march myself to London and fight people in the street to protect that function of the BBC. What the media has done to politics there is so ugly, so irreversible and fucking scary that if Cameron actually tries to slant or twist the UK media industry in a similar fashion I would sincerely wish we'd had the right to bear arms, cos I'd want to use them.

He is pledging to get rid of OFCOM in its current form and bring media-policy making back into partisan hands - managed by his own ministers in the Department for Culture, Media & Sport. This will obviously allow him to act AGAINST the public interest if he so chooses, or in the interest of partisan politics. He'd be able to tell the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 what they can and can't do. He'll be able to reneg OFCOMs current recommendation that Sky offer channels to Virgin media customers, BT Vision and other services.
 
Few things that make the UK freaking great:

1. Free and independent media ( in the spirit of the BBC)
2. NHS
3.Great overall utilization of taxes. For instance, Education is prime here in the UK. Great numbers of people are attending Universities. Which ultimately is better in every sense for the nation.
4. Minimum wage is awesome.


Deviating from any of this,will result in the kind of shit that's happening in right now in America.

Cons don't care about any of the above. And in turn only care about their inner circle. Any sane ordinary human being will vote Labour over them.
 
Jibril said:
Few things that make the UK freaking great:

1. Free and independent media ( in the spirit of the BBC)
2. NHS
3.Great overall utilization of taxes. For instance, Education is prime here in the UK. Great numbers of people are attending Universities. Which ultimately is better in every sense for the nation.
4. Minimum wage is awesome.


Deviating from any of this,will result in the kind of shit that's happening in right now in America.

Cons don't care about any of the above. And in turn only care about their inner circle. Any sane ordinary human being will vote Labour over them.

Who's your avatar...she seems...young.
 
The Murdoch's are the seed of evil. I swear. They play to the ignorance of the masses to get across their agenda. People have them to thank for the war in Iraq and they even had a hand in the near death of the economy. They plan on getting their shitfest of a grand plan to migrate from the US, to this place. F*ck that.

I'm glad I don't have Sky or support these f*cks in any way. BBC for the win.
 
I always love the EU is taking over our country line. That is priceless. There are some prize idiots out there.

EDIT: How could I forget the Laffer curve angle that is always tossed in. Fantasy. Pure fantasy. Cutting taxes =/= lowering deficits. Economics real-talk 101. Doesn't work like that no matter how much you wish the Laffer curve to be true.

donkeyspank said:
Anyone proposing the "cutting-down" of the BBC as a news organisation is a fucking cretin.

Is a bit of healthy debate beyond your tiny mind? Is it your view or no view. Perhaps it is you who is the fucking cretin. Cockwomble.

Healthy if you are demented enough. Just what exactly has BBC News done wrong to this country? Murdoch is not against the news channel or BBC digital he is against BBC Online because they offer a better product with no-profit incentive.

Removing OFCOM and handing back regulatory power to the politicians makes no sense.

Allowing BBC News scope to be curbed back because organisations which have had more funding for decades and managed to offer an inferior product is mental.

Please list the positive benefits of scaling back BBC Online. You are going to struggle because your agrument is non-existent beyond some vague platitiudes appealing to competition. The BBC is still short funding compared to News Corporation but News Corporation is unable to compete with BBC Online.

The removal of Rupert Murdoch from the public policy arena should be pursued without remorse. He has indoctrinated vast swathes if the American public into accepting policy that is at the very heart of it, criminal to their own interests.
 
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