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Got a link to the PwC donation story?
Cheers. Came across it here too http://www.electoralcommission.org....litical-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans
Odd. iirc PwC policy is to not support any one party over another.
The Telegraph gave despicable me 2 an extra star because of advertising, I wonder if gamergate will get on them considering it's bigger evidence of wrong doing than anything they have on video games. Probably not
Yeah I wouldn't have expected them to be making any donations
I've put people in jobs on character references. As I mostly employ students very few of them have ever worked before. Though the fact they are in uni is a good judgement of work ethic I'll admit.
Nicktendo86
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A few labour front benchers employ them, wouldn't surprise me they gave a nice little donation in exchange for the promise of more work their way/contracts if labour get into power. Stinks.
ok, just so I'm getting this logic straight, when ever anyone makes a contribution to the Labour party it's in exchange for future favours and 'Stinks' but presumably when entities give money to the Tories it's due to a shared love of the colour blue?
I'd rather there was just limited public funding of political parties, although I can see numerous issues with any approach. But it's a bit rich to be calling one party out for accepting cash for favours when both of the main parties have a storied history of it.
Nicktendo86
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It stinks to high heavon for both, I am being harsh on labour as they are the ones who called out the Tories and used the actual term 'dodgy donors', it is the hypocrisy that annoys me.
You're right Karma, it wasn't cash but 'time' spent sending their interns there. £400k is a hell of a lot for internship, very confusing.
You're right Karma, it wasn't cash but 'time' spent sending their interns there. £400k is a hell of a lot for internship, very confusing.
Going by that figure I doubt they would be sending any interns, their charge out rate wouldn't be big enough to generate that level of money. Unless either PwC sent loads and loads or they were there for a long time. I'd imagine it's more likely it was a spread of Associates, snr associates, managers. Maybe some snr managers too. It'd all depend on the grade of the people sent.
If they've passed that is! Otherwise you could just be buying a complete stoner! I'm guessing you've never employed anyone with NO references then?
RE: the work programme and its various forms,
i'm generally of the attitude, it should be work that helps the community or the person to build skills/stay busy, and it should pay at least minimum wage... if it means pay them jsa value, then that is 11-12 hours, so 2 days work, and the other 5 days they can do job hunt/study/internship whatever
i'm generally of the attitude, it should be work that helps the community or the person to build skills/stay busy, and it should pay at least minimum wage... if it means pay them jsa value, then that is 11-12 hours, so 2 days work, and the other 5 days they can do job hunt/study/internship whatever
Some of the people who need to see what work is like in the real world and have no clue.
Character references are the equivalent of putting that you go to the gym and enjoy socialising on your cv.
Captain_Spanky
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What I don't get is the government is now requiring job seekers to do 30 hours a week "volunteering" to continue claiming benefits. Yet I was told I had to keep the volunteering I do under 16 hours as any more and I'm deemed not being free to look for work as I am taking up too much of my jobseeking time with volunteering. How do they resolve this fairly obvious paradox?
By making the work experience temporary?
WayneMorse
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Captain_Spanky
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That doesn't resolve anything though does it? If you go over 16 hours in one week your benefits are cut for that week as you weren't able to look for work in that week. So how does a 30 hour "volunteer" service fit in with that?
I'm sure with a very tiniest bit of thought it could be figured out my friend.
Maybe they simply wouldn't cut the benefits whilst doing the work experience?
Captain_Spanky
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Well you could try not being patronizing. I'm trying to have a conversation, but apparently you're more interested in being a dick? The point I'm making is that their is a direct contradiction in terms of guidelines, and I don't see how that contradiction is resolved. Are people now allowed to volunteer more than 16 hours? Because I haven't seen that. If not how does doing 16 hours + of volunteering interfere with your job search and looking for work but 30 hours community service doesn't?
Perhaps you can stop being deliberately obtuse just so you can be a smart arse, now you've forced me to over explain my point needlessly.
JonathanEx
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It's also a weird contradiction that I've seen in practice now.
So I used to help run a community radio station, and we had a couple of major volunteers who were on JSA - so they were limited to 16 hours a week (well, 16 hours that they knew of), and were routinely told to spend less time doing the stuff. But the Job Center was happy to send loads of people our way to do the 6 week, 30hour ish placements. Seems weird enough, and even moreso when it's often the ones who were getting told off for the job center for for doing stuff there who'd be helping train people the job center sent there. And despite many interventions, they refused to think this was weird.
That example aside, I think it's definitely fair to say there's some oddities in the work ethics they encourage. Initially, oh no, no more than 16 hours volunteering, don't do that. You hit six months, then it's all why aren't you spending all your time volunteering, that's the solution. I get that they want to make sure you spend time jobhunting more than just being on JSA as a volunteering wage, but still - it seems a weird limit.
If you think getting people doing stuff like volunteering is good, encourage 'em earlier rather than have a limit that is only removed when people are forced in to it, surely?
So I used to help run a community radio station, and we had a couple of major volunteers who were on JSA - so they were limited to 16 hours a week (well, 16 hours that they knew of), and were routinely told to spend less time doing the stuff. But the Job Center was happy to send loads of people our way to do the 6 week, 30hour ish placements. Seems weird enough, and even moreso when it's often the ones who were getting told off for the job center for for doing stuff there who'd be helping train people the job center sent there. And despite many interventions, they refused to think this was weird.
That example aside, I think it's definitely fair to say there's some oddities in the work ethics they encourage. Initially, oh no, no more than 16 hours volunteering, don't do that. You hit six months, then it's all why aren't you spending all your time volunteering, that's the solution. I get that they want to make sure you spend time jobhunting more than just being on JSA as a volunteering wage, but still - it seems a weird limit.
If you think getting people doing stuff like volunteering is good, encourage 'em earlier rather than have a limit that is only removed when people are forced in to it, surely?
Not sure where this 16 hours rule idea is coming from, just had a look on the DWP website and volunteering is encouraged and for as many hours as you like it says.
JonathanEx
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I don't know if it was 16 hours, but definitely have seen multiple people told to do less/that there was a maximum.
The job center in the city is a crock of shite though, and was used to experiment with some policies/ways of doing things or something.
Seems strange, volunteering is an excellent way of picking up references that have real weight. Seems strange for a job centre to block it unless there was a spate of people gaming the system.
Captain_Spanky
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It's because they class volunteer work under work, and working more than 16 hours (paid or unpaid) qualifies you as being in full time work I believe. I agree. Discouraging volunteer work is insane. It's an excellent way to spend time unemplyed. I do a lot.
Not what it says on the DWP website. It says the complete opposite.
JonathanEx
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The latest in the Telegraph's ongoing breakdown: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/daily-telegraph-anonymous-report
Nicktendo86
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Wtf is going on with the telegraph
Edit: big Tory leads in polls tomorrow apparently...
Edit: big Tory leads in polls tomorrow apparently...
The "message to their readers" they put up on Friday about the scandal was nothing short of bizarre. They basically moaned about other papers having a go at them, said they were unique because they made money, and didn't even address the issues.
The entire thing was just surreal - my father's been a telegraph reader his entire life, and he's stopped buying it now. I'm not sure if the person who wrote that piece agrees with the complaints and was doing it as an act of sabotage.
Nicktendo86
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So two jags has been dragged out as 'climate change advisor'. You couldn't make it up.
JonathanEx
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New thread title idea with my reaction to that
UK General Election 2015 |OT| New series by Armando Iannucci
(that or PARKLIFE!)
Jezbollah
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/inv...ifkind-in-latest-cash-for-access-scandal.html
Straw suspended. Yet to hear about Rifkind. Oh dear.
Straw suspended. Yet to hear about Rifkind. Oh dear.
How fucking dumb and greedy do you have to be to get caught out by shit like this. Either it goes on all the time so they're all so blasé about it or those two are as dumb as shit.
anonymous_abc
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Haha oh wow, Scottish Labour are actually telling people to vote Tory!
FPTP is such a democratic joke
JonathanEx
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Good to see Telegraph back on form.
Apparently Rifkind was giving it both barrels on the Today programme, really not standing for it. Oh and now suspended from the party.
His comments about salary are going down well too then.
It's rare I'd give Ed Milliband any credit, but in a rare bit of decent politiking he got out in front of this as best he could this morning. Immediately suspending Straw, sending out a letter to Cameron and almost looking half competent. Straw also managed to seem a bit contrite about it while still proclaiming his innocence when interviewed which helped a bit.
The Tories on the other hand let it slip until lunch time before saying much of anything about Rifkind (that might be due to differing rules in the party though so I'm not exactly blaming them about it before I get the full facts), and let him respond aggressively with all guns blazing this morning which hasn't exactly went well for him or them.
Ultimately, it's just another pox on both their houses story which shouldn't affect things one way or another, other than perhaps driving some more voters to the upstart parties.
Haha oh wow, Scottish Labour are actually telling people to vote Tory!
Looks like the twitter account has been pulled.
Jezbollah
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Apparently Jack Straw suspended himself from the parliamentary Labour party, so absolutely, Rifkind doesn't make himself look much better from defending himself and having others do what he should have done.
But many are right, these two are complete pillocks to have been stung by such a piece of journalism.
But many are right, these two are complete pillocks to have been stung by such a piece of journalism.
zomgbbqftw
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Haha oh wow, Scottish Labour are actually telling people to vote Tory!
That picture is going to be sent to every single Yes voter in Scotland by the SNP. I don't know what he was thinking, people are already distrustful of Labour after being seen to side with the Tories in the referendum now they are telling people to go out and vote Tory. Insane.
Yep. Unbelievably incompetent, on a level that boggles the mind.
The way Labour continually, *continually* fuck up their messaging astounds me. It takes real skill to be this bad at politics.
Knew I was giving Ed too much credit. Though to be fair to him, he mentioned MP's 2nd jobs once two years ago and had put in a prohibition on what Labour MP's can do starting from the next parliament. So he's not doing his usual of pulling something half baked out of his arse as the situation demands. This time his half baked idea is coming firmly off the shelf.
To be honest I'm not sure where I come down on this. On the one hand it seems self evident that you'd want your MP to be focused on the day to day job of looking after his/her's constituents, but it's a bit rich for people to bang on about career politicians and then want career politicians. It's good that there's some continuing contact with actual business. Yet, there's something unsavoury about someone like Rifkind being involved with so many companies even as a non-exec.
Ultimately you'd like to think if the political system isn't so broke that if a sitting MP was skiving from the day job his constituency party would dump them and if not the electorate would.
Nicktendo86
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Ukip continue to decline closer we get to the election, who would gave thunk it.
Latest ComRes poll:
CON - 34% (+3)
LAB - 32% (+2)
UKIP - 13% (-4)
GRN - 8% (+1)
LDEM - 8% (-)
Latest ComRes poll:
CON - 34% (+3)
LAB - 32% (+2)
UKIP - 13% (-4)
GRN - 8% (+1)
LDEM - 8% (-)
Tactical voting kind of makes sense (as much as it can in fptp) when you're voting for parties who agree on your core issues. But here Labour are presuming that Unionism is somehow more important to Scots than real politics. It's going to bite them on the arse. Even when the SNP lose they still win...Haha oh wow, Scottish Labour are actually telling people to vote Tory!
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In fairness, at the point that Labour pulls it, it's not really fair to cast it as Labour's opinion and more as Robert McNeill's opinion. I definitely think there is a far larger cast of Labour voters in Scotland who'd second choice the SNP before the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats.
Oh dear Natalie Bennett.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/24/natalie-bennetts-car-crash-interview_n_6741572.html
Also Rifkind will step down as an MP and resigned as chair of the intelligence and security committee.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/24/natalie-bennetts-car-crash-interview_n_6741572.html
Also Rifkind will step down as an MP and resigned as chair of the intelligence and security committee.
He didn't create the picture, it's been floating around some of the more vociferous unionist Labour types social media for nearly a week now.
I don't think it's so much Scottish Labour opinion but rather the opinion of a minority of hardcore unionists in Scottish Labour. But it does undercut neatly Jimbo's only real slogan.